360 or ps3

[Skykid]

Controller - Again, there's not a single feature in the 360 controller, the PS3 controller lacks.

The feature of NOT SUCKING.

HA HA!

[Zebra Airforce]

The feature of NOT SUCKING.

Not.

^^Two great jokes.
Would you cool cats like to go to The Max with me and grab a Shasta?

[Skykid]

I'd go anywhere with you Zebra.

[PepsimanVsJoe]

What the fuck?

To the OP: You're better off making this decision on your own.

[Tempest]

Jonathan Ingram,

With all those titles you mentioned, this isn't a 360 vs the PC thread, it's 360 vs PS3. And all of those multiplatform titles I would much rather play on the 360. And where did you hear that KoF XII is exclsusive the PS3? SNK says different.

Drink some more Kool Aid why don't you.

[Skykid]

this isn't a 360 vs the PC thread, it's 360 vs PS3.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[jp]

The Ingram dude dissed Mistwalker, so right off the bat its like, "OK, you apparenly have no idea what you're talking about."

No one cares about Mistwalker? Is that why Blue Dragon has almost hit 500K in sales worldwide and Lost Odyssey broke 100K its first WEEK?

I mean, say what you want, but for a JRPG not called Final Fantasy, those are some impressive numbers. Also, LO is the best JRPG I've played since Panzer Dragoon Saga (which kinda doesn't count really, in which case it'd be the best since Final Fantasy VI).

[Jonathan Ingram]

With all those titles you mentioned, this isn't a 360 vs the PC thread, it's 360 vs PS3.

Ugh... The point is, everyone has a PC. And unless yours is PIII with GeForce 4 on board, it should be capable of running Bioshock, Lost Planet and other Xbox 360 "exclusives" just fine, meaning there`s little to no need to purchase an Xbox 360.

The Ingram dude dissed Mistwalker, so right off the bat its like, "OK, you apparenly have no idea what you're talking about."

A Microsoft-backed development studio led by a man who chose(or rather was forced to by his employer) to produce clones of the two biggest JRPG franchises instead of being an independant developer that makes unique games with personality(that`s what Nihon Falcom, Flight Plan and Nippon Ichi are doing) deserves to be dissed. Sorry.

No one cares about Mistwalker? Is that why Blue Dragon has almost hit 500K in sales worldwide and Lost Odyssey broke 100K its first WEEK?

BD and LO are Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy rip-offs respectively. The only reason anyone even gives a damn about them is because they are on a JRPG-starved American console. Had Blue Dragon come out on the PS2, nobody would give a fuck about it and it would be written off just as yet another Torneko no Daibouken.

And yeah, I guess in a world where hundreds of quality PSX and PS2 RPG titles don`t exist, Lost Odyssey is the the best shit since Panzer Dragoon Saga.

[jp]

NIPPON ICHI MAKES ORIGINAL TITLES?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Say farewell to credibility. And if you had actually played Lost Odyssey (which, yes, it is a lot like Final Fantasy, maybe because the man who, I don't know, MADE Final Fantasy, made it) I doubt you would be talking it down. LO is an amazing game with a story that far outdoes anything Square or *chuckle* Nippon Ichi has ever done. Lost Odyssey is the next-gen Final Fantasy VI, and is an amazing game.

Just ask, you know, anyone who has actually *gasp* played it.


Also, maybe if you, I don't know, knew anything about Mistwalker you'd know that Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey aren't the only two games they've made or are making. Cry On is going to be *gasp* pretty original. And Away looks like it'll be interesting as well.

[Skykid]

The point is, everyone has a PC.

I have a mac.

[Nuke]

The point is, everyone has a PC.

I have a mac.

A mac is a type of Personal Computer.

[Tempest]

The point is, everyone has a PC.

I have a mac.

A mac is a type of Personal Computer.

Thats doesn't play (most) games.

Also, how many times am I going to have to repeat the title? 360 vs PS3. Just because you can play certain multi platform games on a PC doesn't mean it has any bearing whatsoever in this discussion. By Ingram's logic anything on the PS3 and the PC should be done on the PC and there is no reason to get the PS3.

[EOJ]

Also, LO is the best JRPG I've played since Panzer Dragoon Saga (which kinda doesn't count really, in which case it'd be the best since Final Fantasy VI).

Well, let's remember that you haven't played through any of the many great PS2 JRPGs (because "sony sucks!", etc), and the PS2 sorta is the king of JRPGs. Dragon Quest VIII, for example, is a million times better than Blue Dragon, but I can see how someone who has never played through DQVIII would find Blue Dragon to be good, particularly if their last great JRPG experience was 10 years ago.

[Nuke]

I have a mac.

A mac is a type of Personal Computer.

Thats doesn't play (most) games.

Not true anymore. It has teh windows now!

[Spazicon]

I'm the one raising the points dumbass, you're just ignoring them and claiming that your grasp of English isn't developed enough to catch the gist.

Spazicon, you live up to your name.

If my words are too big for you I can think of plenty of smaller ones that'd suit you better.

Blah blah blah motherfucking blah. Shorter posts, with even more insults, no responses to anything I said. The bullshit is thick, in this thread.

What's your response to the controller "issue"? Backwards compatibility? Huh? Either actually address something, or shut the fuck up.

So Spazicon, mind telling us more about your 360 modchips which give region free capabilities with on/off switches?

You know, the ones that you claim exist?

All 360, for starters. Can be turned on and off. Direct Boots all games, regardless of region. Etc. etc.

It's a load of baloney Erinu. This guy actually expects us to believe after all the ignorant fanboy crap he's been spewing, after proving himself as the Chadwarden of the Shmups forum, that he actually owns a 360 and therefore is able to give an informed opinion on the benefits of each console.

That in itself is an outright lie. There's nothing in his tone and argument to suggest, as I once did, that he owns both machines.

You're really showing your age with this one. Incapable of heading anything I said directly, so more bullshit is said about absolutely nothing. It's a shame that I have to go to such lengths in something that could be settled in a more civilized manner. But, since you are a fanboy (which became apparent with the "Chad Warden" comments, and what not), here you go chief.

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*yawn*

Now, please tell me what that has to do with anything I said, though? I mean, good lord can you stay on the subject at hand for 5 minutes? I've heard "you live up to your name" or something to that effect twice, and not a reason why the 360 controller is superior to the PS3's once.

Everyone who may be lurking the thread, I hope the absurdity of "Skykid" is apparent, and his obvious biased towards the 360 console is apparent, aswell.

"Yea, I have a PS3, but I sold it..." Yea yea, chief.

[jp]

Also, LO is the best JRPG I've played since Panzer Dragoon Saga (which kinda doesn't count really, in which case it'd be the best since Final Fantasy VI).

Well, let's remember that you haven't played through any of the many great PS2 JRPGs (because "sony sucks!", etc), and the PS2 sorta is the king of JRPGs. Dragon Quest VIII, for example, is a million times better than Blue Dragon, but I can see how someone who has never played through DQVIII would find Blue Dragon to be good, particularly if their last great JRPG experience was 10 years ago.

But I'm not talking about Blue Dragon (which DOES have good gameplay if you like level grinding). I'm talking about Lost Odyssey, which, surprise surprise:
Most people who actually played Lost Odyssey would tend to agree.

Though I never found Dragon Quest particularly good even back in the NES days. "Grind grind grind, fight boss, rinse and repeat." Though Blue Dragon most certainly does not give the same difficulty as the DQ games (that I played anyways, up to IV), but its actual gameplay was good (combat circle idea was awesome).

But no, I'm talking about Lost Odyssey, which most people that played it agree: It is the next-gen equivalent of Final Fantasy VI. Some people are even calling it the real Final Fantasy XI. Me, I thought it was way better than FFVII, FFVIII, Skies of Arcadia, Tales of Symphonia, Grandia II, etc. etc. etc.

[Spazicon]

Lost Odyssey is a great game, from the experience I have with it. Mistwalker stepped up to the plate on the game. Blue Dragon, while not great, was a decent title. I wouldn't place it alongside any of the greats, but it's not as bad as people would let you on to think.

[Damocles]

People, PEOPLE!!!! We're all forgetting the most important selling point. Jetpac Refueled is on the 360. Discussion over.

[jpj]

The point is, everyone has a PC.

that's not true.

[jp]

Lost Odyssey is a great game, from the experience I have with it. Mistwalker stepped up to the plate on the game. Blue Dragon, while not great, was a decent title. I wouldn't place it alongside any of the greats, but it's not as bad as people would let you on to think.

Indeed sir. Indeed.

I liked Blue Dragon. I understand its short comings, and I do hope they address them in the upcoming Blue Dragon 2 (which I must admit, I am very excited about due to the ending of Blue Dragon, the possibilities are endless!)

Personally, I liked Blue Dragon for the gameplay, the music, and the world. I loved the Sheep Tribes and loved the nice blend of sci-fi and fantasy, to me, it felt more like Chrono Trigger than Dragon Quest.

But it did have some pacing problems, the voice acting (especially Maromaro) was kind of painful at times, and the dialogue was a bit cheesy. Also, the story doesn't really get rolling until towards the end of disc 3 (though it does have its moments in disc 1 and 2).

But I don't think Blue Dragon is the greatest thing to ever be made, I just saw that as a nice return to the roots from Sakaguchi. No, Lost Odyssey is where I think Mistwalker hit a home run. Aside from the fact that the in-game cinemas run and look kind of bad (like they were made on the PS2), Lost Odyssey just oozes with quality, with a story that is second to virtually nothing in the genre and some of the best damn voice acting you will ever find in a JRPG. And the music is just... Amazing. Uematsu's best yet.

[Skykid]

What's your response to the controller "issue"? Backwards compatibility? Huh?

For the love of... will someone lend me a hand here and just quote me? I've answered this fool like eight times already!

You're really showing your age with this one.

I'm twenty-six years old.
As you would say, 'word.'

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You managed to prove you'd got no taste then.

"Yea, I have a PS3, but I sold it..." Yea yea, chief.

If you're going to quote me, then quote me. I don't say 'Yea'.
Chief.



Stick that in your pipe.

I mean, good lord can you stay on the subject at hand for 5 minutes?

What did you think I was talking about, the pretty butterflies grazing in your hair?

Everyone who may be lurking the thread, I hope the absurdity of "Skykid" is apparent

Relax Spazicon, although I've quite clearly spent my time here on shmups being outrageously 'absurd', I'm sure the fine fellows of the forum have already made up their minds.
About you.

Skykid lovez to take tEh piss!

[Spazicon]

Oh lawd. Absolutely zip zero on the controller, backwards compatibility, or anything else I addressed repeatedly. You even commented on how I have "bad taste", when clearly the images were demonstrating my -current- ownership of the 360 console.

XD.

Your debating skills are thoroughly lacking. When one brings up an argument, you resort to childish slander, name calling, and playground antics, since you are clearly incapable of spouting any truths, or direct points toward anything I brought up in my response to the rubbish you posted.

Stop waisting everyone's time, here.

[Skykid]

I've already answered you. You're making yourself look a little silly now.

If anyone wants to go back and read our exchanges, it's quite clear that I made my points, expressed my opinions over the issues with the PS3 in detail, and told you what I thought. They're welcome to judge for themselves.

You're debating skills are non-existent because you don't read the posts properly. The 'bad taste' I was referring to was to do with your favoritism of a lesser console, but again you missed the point.

You haven't contributed anything of value since you've been on this thread, not least managed to prove why the PS3 is the more worthy purchase.

And that's what the thread is about.

So why don't we stop with the exchanges now. If you can, why don't you prove your point regarding the console instead of directing your short temper in my direction.

Chief.

[Twiddle]

The point is, everyone has a PC.

that's not true.

there still are mac users with g4s and g5s you know

the intel based ones out now are just overpriced neutered pcs

[Spazicon]

Oh, Skykid. I genuinely feel sorry for you. Honest.

So why don't we stop with the exchanges now.

The only thing you've stated that even remotely comes close to making any logical kind of sense.

[Skykid]

there still are mac users with g4s and g5s you know

the intel based ones out now are just overpriced neutered pcs

I could see where John was going with the PC thing - but I've never done PC gaming, so for me the 360 catalogue was very appealing (being more comfortable with a pad rather than a keyboard).
Even though the distance in technology between next gen gaming and PC gaming is always drawing closer, I'd still wager (based on the current console user base and market share) that those playing the games on console rather than PC are a possible majority.

I could be wrong though, it's just my take.

Oh, Skykid. I genuinely feel sorry for you. Honest.

Cheers buddy!

[Erinu]

All 360, for starters. Can be turned on and off. Direct Boots all games, regardless of region. Etc. etc.

What, you'd actually recommend an unsupported, unpopular modchip to a potential buyer of a 360? Are you fucking insane?

I've been doing research on All360 for the past hour. It doesn't seem to be the favoured choice when it comes to console modification. Most people opt for flashing the 360's drive, although that won't kill regional restrictions. In other words, the guy who saw pre-modded 360's was looking at pre-modded 360's with flashed drives, not All360 modchips. Considering the fact that this modchip isn't very popular, support for it and it's future is uncertain.

And if you think Microsoft won't end up detecting this, well, that's just Spazicon.

[jpj]

those playing the games on console rather than PC are a possible majority.

for sure. i can only give you UK statistics, but year-on-year unit sales have been declining each year for the past ten years straight. from a market point of view, 1995 was the PC golden era. this decline is almost certainly because of broadband and peer-to-peer networks.

but i hate PC's... so i don't really give a fuck

to the topic at hand - if you're asking people on an internet forum what you should spend £200-300 on, it's probably best to keep hold of the money.

[Spazicon]

All 360, for starters. Can be turned on and off. Direct Boots all games, regardless of region. Etc. etc.

What, you'd actually recommend an unsupported, unpopular modchip to a potential buyer of a 360? Are you fucking insane?

I've been doing research on All360 for the past hour. It doesn't seem to be the favoured choice when it comes to console modification. Most people opt for flashing the 360's drive, although that won't kill regional restrictions. In other words, the guy who saw pre-modded 360's was looking at pre-modded 360's with flashed drives, not All360 modchips. Considering the fact that this modchip isn't very popular, support for it and it's future is uncertain.

And if you think Microsoft won't end up detecting this, well, that's just Spazicon.

lol huh? You said name a fucking modchip that does everything I stated, and I did. What the fuck does it being "recommended, supported" or "popular", and all that bullshit have to do with anything?

Goddamn. When you lose a battle, accept it and man the fuck up. It's not that big of a deal.

[Erinu]

All 360, for starters. Can be turned on and off. Direct Boots all games, regardless of region. Etc. etc.

What, you'd actually recommend an unsupported, unpopular modchip to a potential buyer of a 360? Are you fucking insane?

I've been doing research on All360 for the past hour. It doesn't seem to be the favoured choice when it comes to console modification. Most people opt for flashing the 360's drive, although that won't kill regional restrictions. In other words, the guy who saw pre-modded 360's was looking at pre-modded 360's with flashed drives, not All360 modchips. Considering the fact that this modchip isn't very popular, support for it and it's future is uncertain.

And if you think Microsoft won't end up detecting this, well, that's just Spazicon.

lol huh? You said name a fucking modchip that does everything I stated, and I did. What the fuck does it being "recommended, supported" or "popular", and all that bullshit have to do with anything?

Goddamn. When you lose a battle, accept it and man the fuck up. It's not that big of a deal.

Hey guys, there's this modchip that nobody's heard of and only a small portion of 360 owners use it, I recommend it.

Right.. he was simply asking if you could do a method of modding (remember kids, modding doesn't mean modchipping!) 360's to be region free, and whether the pre-modded 360's were any good. Well.. from what I've understood so far, this modchip isn't very popular, so it probably isn't the pre-modded ones. I'm willing to bet that the pre-modded 360s are flashed drives, which like I previously mentioned, was a common tactic these days.

My suggestion would be this: Scout eBay for a used JP 360 or order one online. If you're going to invest in a console, you might as well go all out. Pretty much all good games on the 360 are either region free, or NTSC-J. Games like Dead Rising in the US also work in JP 360s, Senko no Ronde is region free, Eternal Sonata has an Asian English release, Blue Dragon does too, etc.

I mean, if this bothers you, buy a PS3 which will be region free. Eternal Sonata is coming to it, Dynasty Warriors 6 is also coming to it, DMC4 is out, Disgaea 3 will be localized in August-ish, etc. If regions bother you that much, that is.

Alternatively you could buy a Wii! Bahaha