Are these games good purchases?

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue May 03, 2005 3:45 am

Dark Saibot wrote: Has the discussion come down to sports games? All sports games suck ass as far as I'm concerned. The unwanted pieces of crap, piled to the ceiling in discount bins at gamestop for $1.00 each.

As far as motion, would it really have made a huge difference if Nintendo had Mario spin around through cool loop things going really fast and collect coins. I don't think it would. A game that plays faster certainly doesn't mean that it's better. I don't mind a game that plays slightly slower, provided it makes up for it in other ways, which is more than true in the SNES case.

No, the argument came down to you wanting to know which games were better on the Genesis. While there are others, the EA Sports titles are by far the most well known as being consistently better on the Genesis. Whether they're considered crap games or not is a moot point, esp. considering they certainly sold more during their time than any shooter.

Nobody said a faster game = awesome. You stated that the SNES was in every way better than the Genesis, which is false. We simply corrected you. If you're doubting the facts, go buy a Genesis and read the manual. IIRC, the specs are listed there. Compare them to the SNES specs. There's nothing to argue about.

The game library also depends entirely on what you're interested in.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:11 am

I tried the game out, but I don't own it. I want to get it bad, though. The heroine of the game rocks! The Genesis handled Street Fighter 2 Turbo with more detail from the arcade in the background than the SNES version.

I severely disagree with that. The backgrounds in the SNES Street Fighter games were more vibrant and colorful. The backgrounds in the Genesis versions look like somebody painted them onto a canvas and then threw a bucket of water at them. I won't even mention the fact that the sound in the Genesis versions were terrible. The elephants in Dhalsim's stage on the Genesis are enough to send chills up one's spine. If anything, the Street Fighter games for both systems show the superiority of the SNES. Every fighting game that was ported to both systems ultimately turned out better on the SNES.

Nobody said a faster game = awesome. You stated that the SNES was in every way better than the Genesis, which is false. We simply corrected you. If you're doubting the facts, go buy a Genesis and read the manual. IIRC, the specs are listed there. Compare them to the SNES specs. There's nothing to argue about.

The game library also depends entirely on what you're interested in

I've already said that I don't think a faster processor really means anything if the games don't show it. I'll try out those Thunder Force games but until I see any game that shows the overwhelming superiority of the Genesis processor that almost is, I'm going to stick with my original opinion.

Specifications don't mean anything. The NES was obviously far weaker technologically than the Genesis, yet, has probably about five times as many good games for it. X-Box is about the fastest game system ever invented but only has two good games for the whole system.

I've played the Genesis library up and down and I can't say I've been terribly impressed by most of the games for it...save for maybe the Sonic games, and X-Men. Genesis didn't have a whole lot going for it other than that.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:00 am

Hmm, I'm almost of the exact opposite opinion. Love the Genesis 'wacky bass' sound. Anyways, here's a list of the titles for it I find to be worth playing:

Alien Soldier (here's an example of teh good graphicz00rz, btw)
Contra Hard Corps
Devil Crash
Elemental Master
Eliminate Down
Fire Shark
Ghouls n Ghosts
Gunstar Heroes
Kunio-kun Soccer
Mega Turrican
Outrun
Raiden Trad (better than the SNES version)
Road Rash 3
Rockman Megaworld
Sensible Soccer
Twin Hawk
Thunderforce 4 (See, Genesis can have good music. See Daser stage)
Wardner

Now here's the list of SNES games I'd find worth playing:

Megaman X (soon it'll be on PS2)
Super Mario Kart
Umihara Kawase (sequels on PSX are better)
Maybe a bunch of RPG's if you're into that crap.

And yeah, that's about it.

I'd actually agree that on the whole (despite games like Alien Soldier and Vectorman) SNES games look better than Genesis games...but the library of the Genesis is so much better that there's really no contest.

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:04 am

Games like Gunstar Heroes, Eliminate Down, and Rocket Knight Adventures are all examples of games that would make the SNES choke.

Or at least I've heard as much. . .I just think they're good titles.
Also try the Shinobis

Aside from the reccomendations I would like to comment on the following
-SNES fans seem to have a thing for supperior Graphics and sound, not really caring if gameplay is identical, or inferior.
-The sound i can understand...the constant looping in the Tiny-Toons game on the Genny can cause madness.
-It's a matter of taste. Lots of people enjoy games like El-Viento, Super, Shinobi, Shinobi III, Ect. Others don't
It's not too hard to see that some people didn't think that DKC was great, or that some didn't care for Final Fantasy IV. Adversely I can (barely) understand that not everyone loves Streets of Rage

Don't try to say that a console trounced another in Every single way, because that's simply NEVER true (unless Atari Hardware is in question).

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:05 am

(unless Atari Hardware is in question).

Pac Man and Frogger > Final Fantasy games

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:07 am

Dark Saibot wrote: I've played the Genesis library up and down and I can't say I've been terribly impressed by most of the games for it...save for maybe the Sonic games, and X-Men. Genesis didn't have a whole lot going for it other than that.

Fair enough, but it's important to realize that it's just your opinion. I find a lot more of my fave games on the Genesis rather than on the NES and SNES.

As for graphics, I appreciate the pretty stuff just as much as anybody else but not when it doesn't suit my tastes. In fact, some of the most graphically advanced games on the Genesis (X-Perts, Vectorman 1&2, Alien Soldier), I'm not a fan of.

As a big RPG fan, I don't even find much to love on the SNES (the Super Robot Wars games being a big exception). As a big sidescroller fan, I find very little to love on the SNES except the Mega Man games.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:14 am

Rob wrote:
Dark Saibot wrote:Having a high clock speed doesn't really mean much of anything, if none of the games really showed it.
Thunder Force III -> Thunder Spirits. Have you ever played El Viento?

El Viento? That game plays and looks like shit.

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:19 am

El Viento is miles ahead of
Donkey Kong Country, which Plays and looks like shit.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:23 am

Games like Gunstar Heroes, Eliminate Down, and Rocket Knight Adventures are all examples of games that would make the SNES choke.

Not really, but games like Hagane, Rendering Ranger and Castlevania 4 would make the Genesis choke. Face it, the Genesis/Mega Drive is a great system, but the Snes has as many great titles, and as many titles that could only be done on it.

Dartagnan1083 wrote:El Viento is miles ahead of
Donkey Kong Country, which Plays and looks like shit.

LMAO. You're joking right?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:29 am

Rendering Ranger looks and plays like Hard Corps crossed with Thunder Force, so I think it could handle it. Try Mario World 2 or that Tales game.

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:35 am

I've only HEARD that those games would make the SNES choke.
and the comments came from people that are also SNES fans (the rare breed that enjoys stuff on the genesis).

as for Donkey Kong Country, I was partially serrious.
While I do love the music, I find nothing to like about a sloppy fusion of Sonic2 and Mario World for gameplay, and uninspired level designs.

DKC2 was enjoyable, but I have no love for the original.

Pre-rendered graphics are typically a sign of focus on graphics instead of enjoyable gameplay.
DKC, The Sonic 3D blast games, and many Jaguar and 3DO titles are a sign of this.

I still find some games on my Atari7800 enjoyable, so graphics and sound aren't a huge issue for me.

(note: I still stand by my earlier comment on atari, while atari stuff can be enjoyable, it doesn't really make for a winning set).

EDIT: I also think that Castlevania IV was shit...Castlevania III on the NES was 100 times the game that CvIV was.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:58 am

Rob wrote:Rendering Ranger looks and plays like Hard Corps crossed with Thunder Force, so I think it could handle it. Try Mario World 2 or that Tales game.

R2 has pre-rendered graphics, it looks nothing like either of those games. Yoshi's Island though is a good example of another game that could only be done on Snes.

as for Donkey Kong Country, I was partially serrious.
While I do love the music, I find nothing to like about a sloppy fusion of Sonic2 and Mario World for gameplay, and uninspired level designs.

Sonic?? I don't see those adorable monkeys running through loops like morons. Since DKC is a platformer, however, it's going to basically play like other platformers (Mario World).

Pre-rendered graphics are typically a sign of focus on graphics instead of enjoyable gameplay.
DKC, The Sonic 3D blast games, and many Jaguar and 3DO titles are a sign of this.

DKC is a side-scroller, don't lump it in the same catogory as that other junk. And while its graphics were excellent, the gameplay was on-point as well.

EDIT: I also think that Castlevania IV was shit...Castlevania III on the NES was 100 times the game that CvIV was

CV III is a great game, but CV 4 is the Don. Not even Rondo of Blood can compare to its brilliance.

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Tue May 03, 2005 7:11 am

I serriously think you're being a bit generous with the DKC series.
As for the Blast series, you're forgetting about the pre-rendered GameGear instalment.

As for CvIV, that's your business. But I found it to be washed out and sloppy in comparison to even the Gameboy instalments. The limp-whip is more of a liability than anything else, jumping is also too loose.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:50 pm

CVIV is one of my favorite SNES games. The controls seemed pretty spot on. The limp whip is fun and useful in some situations. The level design is just plan awesome with everthing from a level where enemies pop out of doors in a rotating cylinder in a area with falling blocks to a level where you have to hang with a whip while the floor is rotating. There is a good amount of slowdown, but it didn't interfere with my enjoyment of the game. However, I do admit that the Genesis could probably handle some parts with less slowdown, though it probably couldn't handle the mode 7.

IMO, calling CVIV and the GB Castlevanias sloppy and washed out is a bit harsh. Actually, that may be somewhat true of CV Legends, but I wouldn't say either of the other GB Castlevanias are sloppy. Castlevania the Adventure may not be the greatest game and you have to be spot on with the jumping, but the game has decent level design and good graphics for GB. Castlevania II Belmont's Revenge has excellent level design, cool music, great graphics, cool bosses, and a nifty level select.

As for DKC, I like the game quite a bit, though it's not one of my favorites. It may not be very original, but I did find it to be a great deal of fun. Also, it has great controls and very good level design. That red light green light level is brillant. DKC2 definatly kicks its butt, though. However, I couldn't care less about comparisons between El Viento. They are extremely different games. Also, IMO, "plays like ****" should only be reserved for the very worst games as that gives me the impression that the game is being put among the wrost games made.

No mention of Contra III SNES? That game rocks quite heavily IMO and has some nifty mode 7 effects.

As for the SNES not being able to handle Rocket Knight Adventures, I have one word. Sparkster

I like both the SNES and Genesis and I rather not pick favorites of the two. Both have a great lineup of games.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:56 pm

Rob wrote:No more than any other SNES game, I'd guess. The difference is that it's fast paced to begin with. The system doesn't have many examples of fast paced action. It strikes me as unusual.

Unusual, yes, but very charming to my tastes. And very clever for the developers to outcome the slow clock speed with that idea. In a sense, doing slow-paced games like Pop'n Twinbee is the best way to use the Snes. You can concentrate on showing really good graphics, with effects that the Genesis cannot do.

Nemo wrote:El Viento? That game plays and looks like shit.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. Evidence that speed doesn't count always. Shinobi III is more heavy on graphics and slow-paced and it surely is better.

Nemo wrote:
Dartagnan1083 wrote:Games like Gunstar Heroes, Eliminate Down, and Rocket Knight Adventures are all examples of games that would make the SNES choke.
Not really, but games like Hagane, Rendering Ranger and Castlevania 4 would make the Genesis choke. Face it, the Genesis/Mega Drive is a great system, but the Snes has as many great titles, and as many titles that could only be done on it.

All bad examples, imho. I can see a snes handling RKA fairly well, as I can imagine a Genesis doing a respectable Hagane.

Better examples: The Snes can't do Sonic 2. It can't, stop. And the Genesis cannot do Yoshi's Island or Chrono Trigger.

Perhaps it might be worthy to remember that the Snes came a lot later. what, two years later? Its technical advantage should be a given, two years are quite a lot of time in this industry. DC fans use to say it was on a "generation of its own", and the gap between that and PS2 is shorter than the one Genesis/Snes. Try keep things in proportion.

The genesis however managed to keep the fight head to head until 1994 at least, almost through the end. And it was the real winner in sales. Those were the times, real competition, awesome games.

Dark Saibot wrote:Specifications don't mean anything. The NES was obviously far weaker technologically than the Genesis, yet, has probably about five times as many good games for it.

Man, decide. Either the Snes blows out the Genesis because of its superior hardware OR specifications don't mean anything. If you want my advice, I would go with the latter.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue May 03, 2005 3:46 pm

Turrican wrote: Yeah, it's pretty bad. Evidence that speed doesn't count always. Shinobi III is more heavy on graphics and slow-paced and it surely is better.

El Viento is pretty good. Are you sure you're not thinking of Revenge of Shinobi? Shinobi 3 is fast for an action game, much like Strider 2 on PS.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:07 pm

Rob wrote:
Turrican wrote: Yeah, it's pretty bad. Evidence that speed doesn't count always. Shinobi III is more heavy on graphics and slow-paced and it surely is better.
El Viento is pretty good. Are you sure you're not thinking of Revenge of Shinobi? Shinobi 3 is fast for an action game, much like Strider 2 on PS.

Yeah, Shinobi III is a bit faster paced than Revenge of Shinobi. I like both for different reasons. The GG Shinobis are very good too.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:09 pm

Rob wrote:
Turrican wrote: Yeah, it's pretty bad. Evidence that speed doesn't count always. Shinobi III is more heavy on graphics and slow-paced and it surely is better.
El Viento is pretty good. Are you sure you're not thinking of Revenge of Shinobi? Shinobi 3 is fast for an action game, much like Strider 2 on PS.

Nah, I meant Return of the Ninja Master indeed. It's faster than Revenge, but slower than El Viento. But that's not to say El Viento is bad 'cause it's fast paced... I just find it quite bland. I'd take Alisia Dragoon, rather.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:13 pm

Whew, a good old fashioned SNES vs. Genesis debate. This brings back memories.

Hmm, I'm almost of the exact opposite opinion. Love the Genesis 'wacky bass' sound. Anyways, here's a list of the titles for it I find to be worth playing:

Alien Soldier (here's an example of teh good graphicz00rz, btw)
Contra Hard Corps
Devil Crash
Elemental Master
Eliminate Down
Fire Shark
Ghouls n Ghosts
Gunstar Heroes
Kunio-kun Soccer
Mega Turrican
Outrun
Raiden Trad (better than the SNES version)
Road Rash 3
Rockman Megaworld
Sensible Soccer
Twin Hawk
Thunderforce 4 (See, Genesis can have good music. See Daser stage)
Wardner

Now here's the list of SNES games I'd find worth playing:

Megaman X (soon it'll be on PS2)
Super Mario Kart
Umihara Kawase (sequels on PSX are better)
Maybe a bunch of RPG's if you're into that crap.

And yeah, that's about it.

Only four good games for the SNES. Yeah...anyway, you list Contra Hard Corps for Genesis as a good game, then you don't list Contra 3 for SNES as a good game. Contra Hard Corps is a weak, watered down Contra game that exists for the sole reason that the Genesis could not handle Contra 3.

Here's just a small sample of the list of SNES games I consider to be quality titles:

Super Mario World(The first one only)
Contra 3
Donkey Kong Country(the first one only)
Castlevania 4
Darius Twin
Super Nova
Gradius 3
Star Fox
Mega Man 7
Mega Man X
Street Fighter 2, Turbo, Super, etc.
Mortal Kombat 1-3
Super Double Dragon
Killer Instinct
Art of Fighting
TMNT Tournament Fighters
Robocop vs. Terminator
Final Fight 1-3
Raiden Trad(Haven't played the Genesis version)
X-Men Mutant Apocalypse
Jurassic Park 1-2

Here's what's good for Genesis

Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3...
Sonic&Knuckles......
Sonic Spinball............
X-Men(!)
X-Men 2

Can't think of anything else. Sagaia is OKAY but somewhat weak compared to the two SNES Darius games. I'm not a huge RPG person, I prefer games with more solid action and gameplay than games with story and characters and all that.

-SNES fans seem to have a thing for supperior Graphics and sound, not really caring if gameplay is identical, or inferior.

Why is it that almost every game that was ported to both systems was inferior in all 3 categories(graphics, sound, and gameplay) on the Genesis.

Don't try to say that a console trounced another in Every single way, because that's simply NEVER true (unless Atari Hardware is in question).

The Genesis had a faster CPU speed than the SNES. Does that make anybody happy to hear me say that? What matters most at the end of the day is the number of quality titles for each system, and I think the SNES squashed the Genesis in that category.

I find a lot more of my fave games on the Genesis rather than on the NES and SNES.

The Genesis having more good games than the NES and SNES put together...man I've heard some great ones in my day, but that one just about takes the cake.

Man, decide. Either the Snes blows out the Genesis because of its superior hardware OR specifications don't mean anything. If you want my advice, I would go with the latter.

You really can't box up my opinion into either category. I said that the SNES blew Genesis out of the water because of the number of quality titles, and have said little or nothing about graphics or specifications carrying alot of weight. Genesis had virtually all the same top developers making games on their system(Konami, Capcom, etc.) yet why is it that it seemed like every time the Genesis 'version' was a weak, crappy, watered down game in comparison to the excellent SNES version. Maybe companies like Konami are just guilty of platform favoritism, always going the extra mile to make sure the SNES version was top notch and always falling short a mile in making the Genesis version as good or better. I'll try out those games you mention but I'm not going to change my mind just like that.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:25 pm

Dark Saibot wrote:Contra Hard Corps is a weak, watered down Contra game that exists for the sole reason that the Genesis could not handle Contra 3.

For the love of God please stop. This is just getting too stupid.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:47 pm

"You really can't box up my opinion into either category. I said that the SNES blew Genesis out of the water because of the number of quality titles, and have said little or nothing about graphics or specifications carrying alot of weight.

[...]

I'll try out those games you mention but I'm not going to change my mind just like that."

So you're saying that the Snes blew Genesis out because of the quality of its titles, yet you have not played the Genesis titles mentioned above? Very funny.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:08 pm

For the love of God please stop. This is just getting too stupid.

I see alot of SNES bashing on here, I figured at least somebody should at least make a case for the SNES.

You're the one that keeps saying the SNES is slow and weak compared to the Genesis. Don't start a debate if you don't want to support your opinions.

I've played alot of those games and wasn't thoroughly impressed by them. Some of them I have yet to play.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:17 pm

Dark Saibot wrote:You're the one that keeps saying the SNES is slow and weak compared to the Genesis. Don't start a debate if you don't want to support your opinions.

Who cares what I think? There's no way I want to discuss SNES vs. Gen. I'd rather explain the validity of modern shooters to the average Xbox owner.

Moogs · Post by **Moogs** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:18 pm

Alright, I've been a lurker on these boards for months now, but this topic (or what it's become, at least) has forced me to actually register and participate. With that said:

What people need to realise is that a faster clock speed prevents a game from slowing down when tons of sprites are on screen. The SNES ran at nearly half the speed the Genesis did, and all the games that were smothered in slowdown are evidence of this. Yes, the SNES was superior in terms of graphics, colour, and sound, but at the end of the day, the damn thing still would slow to a crawl if too much was happening at once.

Someone mentioned that Castlevania IV would cause the Genesis to choke. Well, hell, there are a few instances during the game when the SNES itself chokes. The rotating corridor in level 4 comes to mind, as does the fight with the boss of the same level. There's a reason why the SNES wasn't home to as many shooters, which is the same reason why Treasure never bothered to port games like Gunstar Heroes and Dynamite Headdy to the SNES: it just wouldn't have been able to handle it without sacrificing the speed and flow of the gameplay.

Now, I love me some Axelay - it's probably my favourite shooter of all time - but even I have to admit that it's the SNES' fault that it slows down at some points.

As for Genesis ports that were better than SNES ones, look no further than Earthworm Jim. Not only was the SNES version missing a level, but it also had less voice samples. Go figure.

In the end, the SNES was my console for platformers and RPGs, whereas the Genesis gave me my fix of shooters and action games. The SNES was not designed with high speed/action games in mind. If you ask me, it was the first example of Nintendo creating hardware based around the games THEY created, everyone else outside their walls was just going to have to work around it.

Good lord.

How's that for a first post?

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:22 pm

Super Mario World(The first one only) - weak
Contra 3 - sucks compared to Hard Corps
Donkey Kong Country(the first one only) - weak, nice graphics tho
Castlevania 4 - weak, not a huge CV fan though.
Darius Twin - weak
Super Nova - extra weak
Gradius 3 - weak
Star Fox - not bad
Mega Man 7 - weak
Mega Man X - fucking badass, soon it'll be on ps2 though.
Street Fighter 2, Turbo, Super, etc. - awesome, but super turbo on saturn is better easily. these are ported to genesis too.
Mortal Kombat 1-3 - weak, better on genesis (uncensored)
Super Double Dragon - weak
Killer Instinct - weak
Art of Fighting - SNK fighter
TMNT Tournament Fighters - haven't played
Robocop vs. Terminator - this almost has to suck
Final Fight 1-3 - blah
Raiden Trad(Haven't played the Genesis version) - weak
X-Men Mutant Apocalypse -weak
Jurassic Park 1-2 - weak

Guess this is a sign I haven't matured much since third grade...having fun with a console war

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:34 pm

i love both the SNES and MD and thats it.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:36 pm

Moogs wrote:As for Genesis ports that were better than SNES ones, look no further than Earthworm Jim. Not only was the SNES version missing a level, but it also had less voice samples. Go figure.

In the end, the SNES was my console for platformers and RPGs, whereas the Genesis gave me my fix of shooters and action games. The SNES was not designed with high speed/action games in mind. If you ask me, it was the first example of Nintendo creating hardware based around the games THEY created, everyone else outside their walls was just going to have to work around it.

Good lord.

How's that for a first post?

Welcome ^_^

Nice first post.

Earthworm Jim: a good example, you're right on this one.

Snes being the first console based on the games they created: hmm, no. Why, the Famicom was built with something else in mind? The Snes came years after the Megadrive. Of course it was more powerful, and it was built to do the best "Dragon Quest" possible with the best music possible... Because in Japan, a Dragon Quest / Final Fantasy OST sells more than any shmup.

ryosnk · Post by **ryosnk** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:38 pm

Dam people, all I wanted to know was if these game were good! But heck, its nice to know it started a bigger conversation (or war)

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sjewkestheloon · Post by **sjewkestheloon** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:55 pm

it seems most here have either/or the consoles in question and little or no experience with the other. i mean constant 'list of good games for ...' is blatant pig shite if the following person is just going to reverse the statement and say the same.

i prefer megadrive but i'm not going to bitch about it. oh wait a minute.... i appear to be bitching about it already lol

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:50 pm

If find it fascinating how quickly this thread moves around

-Did I get a good deal on Darius Twin and Thunder Spirits?
---No...they sucki
--Yeah you got by ok with only $14 spent.
----Why does Thunder Spirits suck?
--'Insert explaination'
-------IMPOSSIBLE....THE SNES CANT EVER HAVE A VERSION OF A GAME INFERIOR TO THE GENESIS!!!1!
-Well...it's because

=from here it goes into a discussion about how graphics and clockspeed=good game

I like any system that can supply good games.
the SNES has become one of my favorites for Slower paced games like Secret of Mana or FFVI.

The Genesis is my all time favorite for Shmups and Action games.

Now...for Saibot's list...the ones I've played at least

Super Mario World(The first one only) Love it

Contra 3 Not Bad, but the overhead stages were annoying

Donkey Kong Country(the first one only) If you like this, you are a 16-bit graphics whore.....sad

Castlevania 4 ....not bad, but I didn't like it. Just...blah...doesn't quite stand against previous titles. almost a waste of my $14

Gradius 3......Good, would be worthwhile If I didn't already have III&IV on PS2

Star Fox....Very Good, own it

Mega Man 7....good, but it's on the newer consoles now

Mega Man X....waiting for PS2 version

Street Fighter 2, Turbo, Super, etc....ported to the Genesis. Sure the sound isn't awesome, and they're missing a few shades of Crayola regect colors. But if the Gameplay is identical, I couldn't care less.

Mortal Kombat 1-3.....first one was censored to death, 2nd one is no longer good, 3rd one was NEVER good.

Super Double Dragon.....not nearly as good as Streets of Rage or Final Fight CD

Killer Instinct...more crap from RARE
Art of Fighting...Decent
TMNT Tournament Fighters...Decent, but available on Genesis with noninal Differences

Final Fight 1-3.....First one is better on Sega CD (Better than Arcade), last two are ok.

X-Men Mutant Apocalypse....OK, but not worth keeping.