First modern shmup?

j^aws · Post by **j^aws** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:12 pm

Rob wrote:Define "point"

just kiddin', I'll answer your question though:
j^aws wrote: Define "good"; define "beautiful"; define "complex"... ?
Giga Wing; Moon Patrol; Stargate's control panel

That's quite surprising to find Gigawing as your first "good" game!? Really?

"Complex" was referring to the scoring system though; so what would that be, still Stargate?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:18 pm

I don't want to spoil the real first good shooter before the 78-83 countdown thread.

PROMETHEUS wrote:I think Giga Wing is very ugly -.-

I think it and Mars Matrix are appealing. They've got a kind of early 90s feel. Ugly: GW2/GWG/Night Raid. Yeah, even Giga Wing 2. 3D shooters are almost all ugly.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:39 pm

j^aws wrote:Define "good"; define "beautiful"; define "complex"... ?

You've missed my point by so much you in fact made a 180° turn and proved it.

j^aws · Post by **j^aws** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:44 pm

moozooh wrote:
j^aws wrote:Define "good"; define "beautiful"; define "complex"... ?
You've missed my point by so much you in fact made a 180° turn and proved it.

Nope. I was hoping you would agree. Because it's hard to tell sarcasm on the internet. Although your reply suggests you didn't get my "...?" point.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:50 pm

j^aws wrote:Nope. I was hoping you would agree. Because it's hard to tell sarcasm on the internet. Although your reply suggests you didn't get my "...?" point.

I don't think addressing sarcasm as if you're falling for it is a good way to show you're actually understanding what's behind it. Good way to confuse anyone, though. ;)

j^aws · Post by **j^aws** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:39 pm

moozooh wrote:
j^aws wrote:Nope. I was hoping you would agree. Because it's hard to tell sarcasm on the internet. Although your reply suggests you didn't get my "...?" point.
I don't think addressing sarcasm as if you're falling for it is a good way to show you're actually understanding what's behind it. Good way to confuse anyone, though.

I find questioning a question to be the best course (if it wasn't obviously sarcastic)... It's hard to tell bad sarcasm/ facetiousness from sincerity on the internet sometimes; and the reply usually tells me if their questions were sincere or sarcastic originally.

My english teacher told me that sarcasm is the "lowest" form of wit!**

On topic:

Before Zanac, Gun.Smoke; before that, Scion; before that, Robotron 2084; before that, Xevious; before that, Stargate; before that, Galaga, Moon Cresta, Galaxian etc. etc... draw the line where you want to...

** Not sarcasm.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:27 am

j^aws wrote:My english teacher told me that sarcasm is the "lowest" form of wit!**

j^aws wrote:Define "good"; define "beautiful"; define "complex"... ?

hats off to our educational system

j^aws · Post by **j^aws** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:10 am

Twiddle wrote:
j^aws wrote:My english teacher told me that sarcasm is the "lowest" form of wit!**

j^aws wrote:Define "good"; define "beautiful"; define "complex"... ?
hats off to our educational system

That was neither sarcasm, nor witty... It was a loaded, double-edged question!

And yes of course, the UK educational system > *

I doubt you were being sincere... but... this topic is quite interesting for myself, being there from the early days of Space Invaders; and gradually seeing the genre evolve over the years. It's all a 'shade' of grey to me... though there are 'distinct' milestones in the genre...