Saturn RGB question

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:23 am

I was wanting to use the Saturn's RGB output, but I don't have an input in my TV. I heard you can get an adapter for this(for component input).

Could someone tell me what I need to hook up my Saturn this way, to my television. Links would be cool too.

s/m

genetik · Post by **genetik** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:05 pm

evil_ash_xero wrote:I was wanting to use the Saturn's RGB output, but I don't have an input in my TV. I heard you can get an adapter for this(for component input).

Could someone tell me what I need to hook up my Saturn this way, to my television. Links would be cool too.

s/m

I second that. I'm currently using a S-video and would also like to upgrade to RGB. I don't know how easy it is here in North America to set that up since most TVs here don't support RGB. My HD TV has HDMI, Component, S-Video and Composite input and that's it. I suppose that a RGB to Component would make sense.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:00 pm

You're looking for a color trancoder. IMO it's only worth the effort if you're going to play on a CRT (tube TV). On a LCD or Plasma I would use an upscaler (RGB to VGA or YUV progressive) instead.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:18 pm

Fudoh wrote:You're looking for a color trancoder. IMO it's only worth the effort if you're going to play on a CRT (tube TV). On a LCD or Plasma I would use an upscaler (RGB to VGA or YUV progressive) instead.

Yeah, I have a tube TV. What exactly would I need to get. A link would be good, since I don't want to get the wrong thing.

I'm guessing I have to get the RGB cable, and the converter, right?

s/m

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:52 pm

you would need this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YU ... dZViewItem

and this

http://cgi.ebay.com/RGB-Scart-Cable-Seg ... dZViewItem

not to bad on the wallet for the pretty picture you'll get. but if you have an hdtv then it'll improve it over s-video but you'd really need to get a scaler.

stuminator · Post by **stuminator** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:08 pm

I've been wanting to get an upgrade like this as well. About that converter you linked to, Strider77: I don't see an output for audio on it. Would something like this:

http://www.keeneelectronics.co.uk/elect ... ycode=APT1

... be better? This product is, however, quite a bit pricier.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:19 am

Strider77 wrote:you would need this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YU ... dZViewItem

and this

http://cgi.ebay.com/RGB-Scart-Cable-Seg ... dZViewItem

not to bad on the wallet for the pretty picture you'll get. but if you have an hdtv then it'll improve it over s-video but you'd really need to get a scaler.

A scaler? Inform me.

Also, I ordered the RGB cord, but i'm waiting on a reply from the seller about the converter. I'm not sure if it'll hook into us electricity outlets. Just says "AU, Europe, etc".

Is there any other of these converters on sell on the web that are definitely U.S. compatible?

s/m

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:47 am

a scaler...... well that's opening a whole new can of worms. long story short you'd need to get a XRGB2 or XRGB2+. if your tv does not take vga, then you'd have to get a vga to component transcoder.

feed the xrgb a rgb signal from the saturn. then have the xrgb's output go into your hdtv... then your tv is getting a resolution it can take causing it not to use it's cheap/crappy scaler.

there is ALOT of talk in other threads on here about it. put it this way, i will NEVER go back now afterwards.

it also allows you to simulate true low res on a high res display with the fake scanline option. I prefer this ALOT... here are some pics I have to kinda get the point across as best I can with a dig cam.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:44 pm

This is getting confusing. lol

OK, i'm getting the RGB cable. So, I don't need the adapter, just this scaler thing?

To make this thread a bit shorter... My TV doesn't have VGA input. Only component/s-video/AVI/ and DVI.

So, what exactly would I need to get all this working properly. Links would be great.

The RGB cable i'll be getting. What else?

s/m

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:50 pm

@strider77: this pics you've posted, on which display is this running ?

@evil_ash_xero: check if your DVI is really only DVI-D and not DVI-I (= including VGA). Besides: I don't know any tube TVs that have DVI - what model do you have ?

genetik · Post by **genetik** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:16 pm

How is the audio outputted to the TV if there's no audio output on the RGB to Component converter?

The sound comes out of the Saturn, trough the RGB cable then goes to the RGB/Component converter and doesn't go anywhere from there??

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:27 pm

Be creative! Use a RGB cable with RCA audio ports and go "around" the RGB/YUV transcoder.

genetik · Post by **genetik** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:30 pm

Saturn RGB cable with RCA audio ports...hmmm, make sense. Although, didnt see those on ebay or Play-asia. Anyone knows where to get those?

Would also like to find a Dreamcast RGB cable with RCA audio ports.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:10 pm

@strider77: this pics you've posted, on which display is this running ?

you mean on what kind of TV?

it's a sony xs955

http://www.epinions.com/content_169823997572

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:51 pm

Thanks ! Looked to good to be flat *g* One should mention that the usage of scanlines on the XRGB2+ with a flatpanel display can introduce moire pattern due to the unregular scaling of the scanlines embedded in the XRGB2+'s signal.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:57 pm

A slightly different question. I want to buy a Japanese Sega Saturn and use RGB in the back of my English Sony TV which has a SCART connection at the back.

What RGB/Scart cable do I need? A Jap or a Euro one?

I've heard that if I use a Euro one I'll only get a composite picture. Is this correct? Will the Jap RGB fit in the back of my TV?

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:59 pm

no, as far as i know you should get rgb out of it...... guess i am not to helpful b/c I can't confirm it though.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:06 pm

Buy an european Saturn Scart cable, it will fit in your japanese system and it will give you RGB on your TV. If you buy a japanese RGB cable, it will fit as well, but you won't get a picture on your TV set.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:08 pm

Cheers.

fuko · Post by **fuko** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:52 am

you can also buy the SCART cable, strip it and build an RGB adaptor yourself for cheap. There is a very good article discussing the technique here:
http://www.mameworld.net/pc2jamma/arc_sat2.html

Plus this page has some of the specifics separating the video synch from the composite signal that the SCART cable carries (needed if you are going to hookup to an arcade monitor, as I did)
http://www.epanorama.net/documents/vga2rgb/scart.html

Audio signal can also be had from same cable, but will need an amplifier

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:48 pm

This is what VGI have just told me:

Here is what you need:

1) RGB SCART lead (so far so simple)

2) Must be compatible with the JAPANESE Saturn (this is because the Japanese and Euro Saturns have different pinouts, and as I said before if you buy a UK Saturn SCART lead, all you'll get is a composite picture, RGB won't work)

3) This SCART lead much be compatible with European TVs (to make it even more complicated, Japanese SCART is wired differently to European SCART, so if you buy a Japanese Saturn SCART lead for Japanese TVs ie. an official Japanese Sega lead, then it won't work. All you'll get is some sort of flickering black and red picture).

So, where do I buy one of these?

antron · Post by **antron** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:45 pm

Tigershark wrote:
So, where do I buy one of these?

got mine on ebay, from someone shipping out of Europe. They may have specified Euro SCART.

stuntman · Post by **stuntman** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:09 pm

stuminator wrote:I've been wanting to get an upgrade like this as well. About that converter you linked to, Strider77: I don't see an output for audio on it. Would something like this:

http://www.keeneelectronics.co.uk/elect ... ycode=APT1

... be better? This product is, however, quite a bit pricier.

I own the RGB2C which has given me nothing less than fantastic results (RGB to Component), and the product you linked to apparently uses the same parts, so should work just as well. You'll have to decide if it's worth it though

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:28 pm

Sorted. Raven had one for £12.99.

If you have a Jap Sega Saturn and a PAL TV a UK Scart lead for a UK Sega Saturn used with your Jap system will only give you a composite picture.

TS.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:04 pm

Ok, it's all arrived and I just want to confirm that all is working well. The picture is crisp and clear.

Only issue is that the actual screen for Battle Garegga (the game I bought) seems to be a little larger than my TV when playing Tate. No issue in the game but when it comes to entering my name on the scores page I can't see it!

I'd just like to add that this site has now cost me a further £150!!

grovsnus · Post by **grovsnus** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:48 pm

If the picture is that much larger than your screen, you can rest assured that the ratio is way off in all your saturn games. I had this problem, and it's fixable. Get a service manual for your TV and check out how to adjust vertical height.

In garegga, check the large powerups. They are supposed to be perfectly circular. Mine were very oval. If the ratio is that much off, the bullet paths will be harder to anticipate as they will be somewhat curved due to the bullets travelling a longer apparent distance on the X-axis (in tate) than they are supposed to.

I have found that the output picture from garegga on my TV is impossible to fit on the screen with the perfectly correct ratio. I have about three pixel rows missing on either side in tate. But that's way better than it used to be. And all the other games fit perfectly with correct ratio.

I really advice you to adjust your telly, mate. But, if you have to open it up like I had to do with mine, be careful because some parts are carrying high voltage even when not plugged in.

Edit: You wrote that you couldn't see the chars when entering your name in tate. That would mean your pic is horizontally off. Chances are it's vertically off as well. Quite an easy fix with the manual at hand. Good luck.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:37 pm

Cheers.

The large power ups are in fact perfectly circular. I'll check whether I can alter the screen anyway however.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:30 pm

Uh, I got a Saturn RGB cord, and a converter. Where the hell is the audio supposed to go?

There is no audio outputs on the RGB converter, nor have I seen one that has one.

s/m

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:08 am

Any advice folks?

s/m

antron · Post by **antron** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:14 pm

evil_ash_xero wrote:Any advice folks?

s/m

something on this page maybe:
http://www.euronetwork.co.uk/acatalog/S ... ptors.html

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