Ketsui for DS?!

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:24 am

Well that sucks. What am I gonna do with a superplay DVD for a game I don't even own?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:33 am

MathU wrote:Well that sucks. What am I gonna do with a superplay DVD for a game I don't even own?

Buy the game.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:37 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
MathU wrote:Well that sucks. What am I gonna do with a superplay DVD for a game I don't even own?
Buy the game.

...or wait until it's emulated.

Geezer · Post by **Geezer** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:43 am

It could be a while, we don't know how hardcore the encryption is.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:17 pm

I've changed my mind: a DVD is better than a CD. The music to Ketsui is one of the best in any shooters, but it doesn't reward isolated listening in the same manner of Battle Garrega, Mars Matrix or Recca.

If Mihara almost had the video ready for the December Cave fest, then surely it shouldn't be too long until it gets posted? Excitement!

Also, thanks EOJ for starting such a comprehensive splinter forum

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:24 pm

Geezer wrote:It could be a while, we don't know how hardcore the encryption is.

according to the banter on this page right here on shmups, it's pretty hardcore

moonblood · Post by **moonblood** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:40 pm

A superplay is nice and all but what I really want to know is if its just going to be a "boss rush" or more. I'll buy/support either way but still

link below gets my hopes up but the link in there is broken

http://www.dsfanboy.com/2007/09/07/miha ... r-is-boss/

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:50 pm

moonblood wrote:A superplay is nice and all but what I really want to know is if its just going to be a "boss rush" or more. I'll buy/support either way but still

Obviously nothing is certain at this point, but the video clearly shows an approximation of the middle part of stage 3, including unlocking the 1st hidden extend. Weather this makes it into the final build is anyones guess but it looks hopeful that there will be at least short preambles leading to the bosses.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:06 pm

EOJ wrote:He says Arika will be including a Ketsui (arcade) superplay DVD with Ketsui DS. Apparently there was a survey of what gamers wanted the most, and the Ketsui DVD was #1 (a soundtrack CD was #2), due to it being sold out and very expensive these days. So Mihara is getting SPS to print up the DVD and will package it with Ketsui DS as a freebie.

I already have a Ketsui replay DVD (that came with a CD). How about including a fucking playable demo of the aborted PS2 port?

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:23 pm

Kiken wrote:
EOJ wrote:He says Arika will be including a Ketsui (arcade) superplay DVD with Ketsui DS. Apparently there was a survey of what gamers wanted the most, and the Ketsui DVD was #1 (a soundtrack CD was #2), due to it being sold out and very expensive these days. So Mihara is getting SPS to print up the DVD and will package it with Ketsui DS as a freebie.
I already have a Ketsui replay DVD (that came with a CD). How about including a fucking playable demo of the aborted PS2 port?

'KEZUI 4 STAGES ONLY!! FEEL THE FAILURE OF THE PORT'

OUT NOW

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:50 pm

elfhentaifan wrote:
'KEZUI 4 STAGES ONLY!! FEEL THE FAILURE OF THE PORT'

OUT NOW

ONLY ON DS!!

Stranger things have happened I guess...

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:19 pm

this DS port of is so dumb..... lord forbid we have a PS2 port with some extra slow down that wasn't in the arcade ect. but wait it's totally cool to butcher it up and completely fuck-tard it up on a portable?

i'd be ok with the ds version if the ps2 port wasn't canned.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:45 pm

This is half of why I'm looking forward to this game so much! The other half is that it'll be a quality shooter on the DS and the DS is fun.

i'd be ok with the ds version if the ps2 port wasn't canned.

Or how about that you're getting something instead of nothing? And it'll come with all most people need anyways, a superplay DVD.

And it's something at least somewhat new as well. I'm sure we'll all get to play the original Ketsui in MAME someday.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:33 pm

Or how about that you're getting something instead of nothing? And it'll come with all most people need anyways, a superplay DVD.

And it's something at least somewhat new as well. I'm sure we'll all get to play the original Ketsui in MAME someday.

I don't want a fucking super play dvd, superplay dvds can rot in hell for all I care.... I want to PLAY it, not be teased by a video of someone else doing it. DS is better than nothing but KNOWING that there is an almost complete port with just some extra slowdown as the only real flaw.... ugh all that work for nothing, why?

Geezer · Post by **Geezer** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:39 pm

I don't think it's slowdown in the sense you're thinking of, that's a CPU issue. The issue they had is alledgedly to do with RAM.

Mihara has said that they could release a barebones emulated Ketsui with no extras on the PS2, but it isn't commercially viable.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:52 pm

Mihara has said that they could release a barebones emulated Ketsui with no extras on the PS2, but it isn't commercially viable.

I don't think anyone who would buy this game without all ready being a fan of shooters to start with would really be persuaded by extra crap. If they know nothing of the genre then I doubt a challenge mode or superplay dvd would mean a single thing to them.

I can see some random japanese person picking it up now, "oh whats this game? It seems to be some kind of game with helicopters in it and shooting.... oh wait!! It's just a bare bones port with no extras at all... GOD I mean everyone who is ANYONE knows that this was an arcade game and the fact that it doesn't say it has EXTRA challenges and a superplay DVD is just so LAME. No thanks....."

they could have released esp galuda and dodonpachi DOJ with nothing but a bare bones port and i bet everyone who owns it now would still own it and praise about how awsome the ports were. the extra shit is nice but I hardly ever use them except for the 1st look over.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:24 am

Ketsui DS is a NEW GAME, and thus is inherently more exciting than a straight port of Ketsui. Ketsui DS is not Ketsui. It has nothing to do with the canned PS2 version. I wish people would realise this already

Sure a port would be great, but if I really wanted Ketsui that much, I would just pay the £500 for the bare board. It's not that much more expensive than a PS3, and holds its value pretty well. But a brand new Ketsui game? Wins every time.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:30 am

£500 for the bare board

yeah.... just rather shell out standard game price for a port... plus my ps3 plays more than one game and blu-ray.

i'll get the ds game but it's not ideal for me.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:54 am

DJ Rectal Prolapse wrote:Ketsui DS is a NEW GAME, and thus is inherently more exciting than a straight port of Ketsui.

you sure about that

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:51 am

Strider77 wrote:
yeah.... just rather shell out standard game price for a port...

Same here, man. But that's life

Dandy J wrote: you sure about that

Yup, 100%. Brand new Cave game > 5+ year old Cave game. Seems obvious to me. I trust Arika to make something amazing.

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:12 pm

its not a brand new game. its just a bossfight game where the bossfights are approximately 10times more boring than they were in the regular ketsui.

Jamz · Post by **Jamz** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:26 pm

So whats up with all these Ketsui sales?
Is the dumping/emulation of Ketsui drawing near ?

seems risky to buy a game for over thousand dollars if it can be freely played in MAME, even if it might take a year or 2 more before its possible..

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:10 pm

Plasmo wrote:its not a brand new game. its just a bossfight game where the bossfights are approximately 10times more boring than they were in the regular ketsui.

Let's just wait 'til we've played it before criticizing it, yeah?

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:13 pm

Jamz wrote:So whats up with all these Ketsui sales?
Is the dumping/emulation of Ketsui drawing near ?

seems risky to buy a game for over thousand dollars if it can be freely played in MAME, even if it might take a year or 2 more before its possible..

Haze wrote:it's pgm based. it uses a protection device, with no external rom, and thus pretty much no chance of it being trojaned (for proper emulation of the protection device, not simulation). Also the later pgm caves have execute only internal roms, so even if you do manage to get code running on them you *can't* dump them.

IOW, don't expect it running in MAME anytime soon. It might just require a decap, but as we don't even know if those things are mask / eeprom (I suspect eeprom, and custom part so we can't read them even if we erase protect bits) not even that is really an option.

so yeah, it looks nice.. cave shooters always do, but properly emulated, soon, No.
LOL.

The Guru wrote:the game is actually not that great IMO. I personally like the s1945-series better. Its just your typical Japanese bullets-everywhere vertical shooter, nothing special. I don't know what all the fuss is about. I personally would not buy it even if I had the money just lying around.
BTW, what is this worth? I heard it's rare or something?

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:22 pm

Radiant wrote:
The Guru wrote:the game is actually not that great IMO. I personally like the s1945-series better. Its just your typical Japanese bullets-everywhere vertical shooter, nothing special. I don't know what all the fuss is about. I personally would not buy it even if I had the money just lying around.
BTW, what is this worth? I heard it's rare or something?

hahaha he certainly is no guru over gameplay thats for sure

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:00 pm

Tastes differ, you know...think he stated several times that he personally doesn't like manic shooters.
Fact is, he's the man who's dumping it so we can play it someday. Show some respect

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:34 pm

I haven't played it but often have to wonder what the fuss is over..... like sapphire, it ain't 600.00 dollar good. it's not even 80.00 good. I own it but I payed regular price.

I'm sure it awsome like all cave stuff, but I'm still skeptical. Most that have played it have shelled out big bucks on it.... I doubt they would be so eager to say it's your average cave shooter..... I dunno either way never played it

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:04 pm

Strider77 wrote:Most that have played it have shelled out big bucks on it.... I doubt they would be so eager to say it's your average cave shooter.....

No. If they didn't like it, they'd just resell the board and make their money back (just like I did with Progear).

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:20 pm

I've played it and it's awesome. In fact it's so awesome I've actually properly considered buying it. But £500 is a lot for even awesome.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:01 pm

I'll be really surprised if this doesn't make it out for the DS, which is the #1 selling game system in Japan. I'm surprised that there haven't been more shmups for the DS.