Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:10 pm

http://gamers.guinnessworldrecords.com/ ... olved.aspx

From my research thus far, they still seem to be associated with Twin Galaxies. However, as the last TG book came out in 2004, either this is just a book/magazine rename or this is a new legit branch of scorekeeping, an alternative to craptacular TG?

-Everything must be achieved in-person
+They seem to indicate they're willing to travel near you

If the hard party people feel like testing Guinness's scope by how far they're willing to travel to get the real highest score, will they accept shmups, of if there are shady practices afoot, I wouldn't mind knowing.

quasi related thread.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=1147

odds of thread derail 4/9

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:21 pm

LOLTG

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:23 pm

I know

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:25 pm

They have like a GW2 score attack score on there too wtf

Pass it off as a normal score

And call it a WR

wtf score attack

that's cheating lol

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=17850

cuz everyone in here said so ZOMG

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:55 pm

i dont feel like anything special

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:10 am

TG association I don't think means this is run by TG. For example, Guinness posts the new 5:00 Mario 1 run and TG doesn't. And I see modern stuff like counter-strike leaderboards 'n such. Also, indications they are pulling records from outside U.S., which I don't think TG was doing at all.

so..somethin' to think about....won't know till somebody Japan tries it....

sikraiken · Post by **sikraiken** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:57 am

DJ Incompetent wrote:TG association I don't think means this is run by TG. For example, Guinness posts the new 5:00 Mario 1 run and TG doesn't. And I see modern stuff like counter-strike leaderboards 'n such. Also, indications they are pulling records from outside U.S., which I don't think TG was doing at all.

so..somethin' to think about....won't know till somebody Japan tries it....

That 5:00 time is a mistake, should be 5:08. I'm pretty sure all the records come straight from TG. TG does take records from outside the US, but submission is a bit of a hassle in any country including the US (which isn't really TGs fault, they want to try their best to make sure people aren't cheating) and majority of people don't seem to care enough to do it. It'd be easier if TG was more of a "worldwide" authority and had correspondents in nearly every country (or a few in nearly each) so refs could watch people live more often but that never happened over the years obviously.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:02 am

At the 2004 California Extreme show, Twin Galaxies' Walter Day shows up on the first day...you couldn't miss him as he was wearing his trademarked referee uniform. I went up to him and asked if I could attempt to do a World Record attempt on a Klax arcade cabinet. We looked around & couldn't find one. He said if I could get ahold of a Klax arcade Rom off of the internet and on a floppy disc or CD-Rom, that he would put it into one of the several nearby Hanaho arcade PC machines. And so, it was a no-go that day or the next day either. Mr. Day was sorry that he didn't have such an Klax Rom on the Hanaho cabinet...
Walter Day was overheard commenting on some of the cool prototype arcade cabinets brought in for the '04 CAX show...some that he said that he's never seen before. (That's typical of an CAX show if you're a regular attendee like myself...) ^_~

It's been ages since the last WR for Klax Jamma PCB has been beaten anyways. I don't regard the Mame Klax WR records as valid myself anyways -- just the plain ol' arcade PCB version will do for such a valid WR attempt. Of course, the said PCB in question would have to examined and all current scores erased + all game settings set to "default" for such an WR attempt in the first place. During the actual WR attempt, the player will be given several tries to do so...if he or she can't do it. Then so be it... ^_~

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At the Galaxy of Electronic Games Expo '89 held at the San Jose Convention Center in San Jose, CA, (back in November of 1989) there was an arcade game contest being held and I was asked if I would interested in entering it. I asked which arcade games were selected for this contest -- the answer was: Atari Games Tempest cabinet, Atari Games Star Wars cabinet, and Sega's Altered Beast cabinet. The grand prize, $1000.00 USD in cash for the winner...

Of course, I politely declined and the lady was saying that it wouldn't hurt to at least try it. I said no and that was that...plus, the fact that I really wasn't that good at any of those arcade game titles in the first place.
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PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:30 am

Give me a lol.

I mean, who cares.

You don't see top Japanese shmup players showing off and telling people "I'm better in Ketsui than you!"

Well that's what I think.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:08 pm

Back in the 1980's, Walter Day travelled to Japan to record WR arcade game scores there...so yeah, he could go down there to record some the current WRs for many arcade shmup titles...

The real reason why Twin Galaxies ain't an international business is because it's primarily based in Iowa where Walter Day resides -- ain't nothing to stop such Twin Galaxies game officials from travelling to other countries to authenticate such current WR arcade PCB scores.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:06 pm

PC Engine Fan X! wrote;

ain't nothing to stop such Twin Galaxies game officials from travelling to other countries to authenticate such current WR arcade PCB scores.

Oh but do they? Do they actually travel to other Countries and authenticate? - They may have on the rare occasion...but the real question is whether they have travelled to Japan & environs to authenticate the real WRs?
Disclaimer:- I don't mean to say that some of the TG listed WRs from pre 1984 arcade titles aren't maxed-out scores. Its just that a lot of the post 1984 arcade (WR) scores on TG aren't WRs.

Fighter 17 wrote;

I mean, who cares.

You don't see top Japanese shmup players showing off and telling people "I'm better in Ketsui than you!"

Well that's what I think.

Its true they are only games Fighter 17, but I think you'll find that a lot of the Japanese players do care -> Why else would they have 3 character tags: TAC, ISO, YMN, SWY, RAM etc.
By saying "who cares" you're basically going against the whole point of skill-based games with high scores.

Well that's what I think.

Pirate1019 · Post by **Pirate1019** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:13 pm

I think that they care more about scores then we do. How else can you explain the fact that they have magazines dedicated to showing highscores?

stanski · Post by **stanski** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:26 pm

I'm in the book for Sonic 1 and I am NOT associated with TG at all. They should have put me in for Sonic 2, my speedrun of that is much better, much more impressive, and is one that no one in the world can touch right now besides me. The score listed for Sonic 2 is laughable as well (they got the score from TG of course), I beat that score in my SPEEDRUN, if I did a score attack I'd get 10-20 times that score.

BTW they took it as being official just by me having a video up at speeddemosarchive.com, which requires gameplay recorded straight from console, so they don't necessarily have to witness the event.

The 5:00 mario run is the official record at SDA, TG is gay and doesn't let you wall jump or use the alternate pipe glitch for no reason really (both make the run much more competitive and harder to match), but SDA does. They took most of the speedrun records from SDA IIRC.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:46 pm

i give a lot of credit to TG and walter day, because they started something which wasn't in place before, so fair play. also, walter day is clearly cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Q3JgNQARs

and i understand del's impressions of TG nowadays, but walter day did travel to the UK in 2006 to verify a space harriers world record (nick hunt?). i think the real trouble lies in saying "world record". it would be better to say this is a TG Record, this is an Arcadia Record, etc etc.

Mills · Post by **Mills** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:50 pm

Pretty pointless to have a WR gamers event. i reckon there is a hidden agenda behind this event knowing its being organized by US company/team.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:00 pm

Hidden agenda? Fragile egos? Developmentally disabled? It's not like it's as easy as opening an issue of Arcadia.

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:00 pm

I like how they goofed up the bit about Super Mario World being the best selling 32-bit game of all time.

32-bit.