Border Down Reprint

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:27 pm

According to Famitsu, The best Hori in the last 10 years

will have a DC reprint in 2008 and will be sold exclusively through the store Messe Sanoh on the 17th of January.

Intersting considering the backward and forward rumours considering GD production!

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1212848_1124.html

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:31 pm

Why do this? Is there really a viable market for DC games in 2008?

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:27 am

professor ganson wrote:Why do this? Is there really a viable market for DC games in 2008?

Have you seen the resale value for BD?

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:29 am

The question is how big is the reprint?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:32 am

Kiken wrote:
professor ganson wrote:Why do this? Is there really a viable market for DC games in 2008?
Have you seen the resale value for BD?

Yeah, I've sold a couple in the past couple years. Just seems like XBox Live and PS Network are much more lucrative markets. Seems like an odd choice, but I hardly know the details of the situation.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:34 am

professor ganson wrote:
Kiken wrote:
professor ganson wrote:Why do this? Is there really a viable market for DC games in 2008?
Have you seen the resale value for BD?
Yeah, I've sold a couple in the past couple years. Just seems like XBox Live and PS Network are much more lucrative markets. Seems like an odd choice, but I hardly know the details of the situation.

G-Rev have been rather adamant about not re-releasing games on other platforms. They stated that when they do release something on XBLA, it'll be a completely new product.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:40 am

So I guess my question is: Why have that policy? It can't be that they care about the market value of the games they've released: they'll be killing that. Besides, that market value doesn't benefit them in any straightforward way.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:42 am

Border Down is emulated in a perfectly playable state via NullDC. Not sure why anyone would pay money for a re-release.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:09 am

kengou wrote;

Not sure why anyone would pay money for a re-release.

Maybe just Border Down nuts like me, Randorama and GameoverDude

.

Border Down is emulated in a perfectly playable state via NullDC

That's good news, but in my case ownership is nine tenths of the law - its a game I have to own.

professor ganson wrote;

Why do this? Is there really a viable market for DC games in 2008?

Its a good point from a sales point of view. There's hardly a PS2 sized userbase out there waiting to snap up DC re-releases.

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:12 am

well- what happens with hardware failure? My xbox/ps3 are more likely to die than my BD disc. Downloadable content SHOULD NEVER replace hard copies...

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:13 am

now...the obvious question...how do I go about getting one of each (sealed)?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:17 am

Battlesmurf wrote:well- what happens with hardware failure? My xbox/ps3 are more likely to die than my BD disc. Downloadable content SHOULD NEVER replace hard copies...

Yeah, this is something I struggle with. There are many things to love about downloadable games, but hardware failure always casts a shadow.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:28 am

i thought it was well-known, but the reason why not to release something on someone else's network as a download is because you're held to ransom over how much % of each transaction goes to you, the person who created it. i think with xbox live, microsoft take 80% - correct me if i'm wrong. that's why hardly ever is it worth putting new games on these services, and they end up full of really old IPs that licence holders don't give a shit about any more.

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:55 am

professor ganson wrote:
Battlesmurf wrote:well- what happens with hardware failure? My xbox/ps3 are more likely to die than my BD disc. Downloadable content SHOULD NEVER replace hard copies...
Yeah, this is something I struggle with. There are many things to love about downloadable games, but hardware failure always casts a shadow.

Interesting. I don't know anything about xbla et al. Does that mean that when you purchase say SMB, it's not a lifetime subscription, it's just a "until your wii HD breaks" license? That'd be fucking retarded. It should at least be licensed until the wii online service no longer exists in any form if so.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:35 am

unsane wrote:
professor ganson wrote:
Battlesmurf wrote:well- what happens with hardware failure? My xbox/ps3 are more likely to die than my BD disc. Downloadable content SHOULD NEVER replace hard copies...
Yeah, this is something I struggle with. There are many things to love about downloadable games, but hardware failure always casts a shadow.

Interesting. I don't know anything about xbla et al. Does that mean that when you purchase say SMB, it's not a lifetime subscription, it's just a "until your wii HD breaks" license? That'd be fucking retarded. It should at least be licensed until the wii online service no longer exists in any form if so.

If your Wii breaks, they can transfer your stuff to a new one.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:40 am

This isn't the first time they've done this. They had reprints of Saturn Princess Crown for 4800 yen AGES after it was out of print. Even came w/a phone card.

Note that this is not the limited edition. It's not a bad deal though.

Post by **Ghegs** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:57 am

I've only played BD briefly, and while I'm not sure it's my type of game, I might jump on this. Can anybody on the forums work as a proxy? GP?

I'm Alec · Post by **I'm Alec** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:15 am

Is this an official reprint? Also, does anyone know if this will be on a SEGA GD or a regular CD like Last Hope? Sorry if these questions seem silly, but my Japanese is limited (to none).

Also, how can I get one?

nem · Post by **nem** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:45 am

Interesting. There's been rumours of this before. If it does come out, it seems like it would be to test the waters.

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:43 am

Might be a good opportunity for me to get an extra sealed copy

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:26 am

well- what happens with hardware failure? My xbox/ps3 are more likely to die than my BD disc. Downloadable content SHOULD NEVER replace hard copies...

I agree with this strongly, it might be me being a bit old but I always want a physical version of any game I really like. I still play stuff that is pretty old. Once that console's online service is gone, so are those games if your hard drive srews up or needs a reformat ect.

J-Manic · Post by **J-Manic** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:34 am

I regretfully sold my copy on eBay a few years back (I refuse to say how much I sold it for

). Wish I hadn't. And although playing Border Down on back-up has been keeping me satisfied over the past few years, I will definitely pick up this re-release just so I can have the actual game in my library. I just hope it will be sold at a reasonable price.

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:16 pm

Ghegs wrote:I've only played BD briefly, and while I'm not sure it's my type of game, I might jump on this. Can anybody on the forums work as a proxy? GP?

I second this. I might end up not liking it, but I sure want to give it a try. (Damn you, DEL, for making me interested in this.)

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:50 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:This isn't the first time they've done this. They had reprints of Saturn Princess Crown for 4800 yen AGES after it was out of print. Even came w/a phone card.

Note that this is not the limited edition. It's not a bad deal though.

Were those reprints identical or was there a way to distinguish them?

If the BD reprints are identical to the original regular edition, then I suppose now would be the time to sell any extra copies one might have...

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:53 pm

Ceph wrote;

If the BD reprints are identical to the original regular edition, then I suppose now would be the time to sell any extra copies one might have...

Thats good thinking, if a bit risky. The price of the original & LE will crash if there is a re-release. I'm thinking that the current prices are only high due to scarcity

Herr Schatten wrote;

I second this. I might end up not liking it, but I sure want to give it a try. (Damn you, DEL, for making me interested in this.)

Of course its by far my favourite game of recent years. In fact BD ended a ten year malaise in my shooting career. This said, you've got to appreciate that its a memoriser Mister Schatten. Its best to watch replays before you begin.

Regs, DEL

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:11 pm

Ceph wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:This isn't the first time they've done this. They had reprints of Saturn Princess Crown for 4800 yen AGES after it was out of print. Even came w/a phone card.

Note that this is not the limited edition. It's not a bad deal though.
Were those reprints identical or was there a way to distinguish them?

If the BD reprints are identical to the original regular edition, then I suppose now would be the time to sell any extra copies one might have...

Identical. And they popped up on YJ w/ the phone cards every now and again.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:15 pm

An odd question. The DC is capable of playing CDs (not just GDs or whatever they were called.) I doubt Border Down (BD!) is so large that it wouldn't fit on a CD. Reissuing the game in this format would cost little-to-nothing as CDs themselves cost virtually nothing to manufacture these days. Cashing on in even 500 rabid fans would be well worth it if they can make the initial cost of the run very small.

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:47 pm

CMoon wrote:An odd question. The DC is capable of playing CDs (not just GDs or whatever they were called.) I doubt Border Down (BD!) is so large that it wouldn't fit on a CD. Reissuing the game in this format would cost little-to-nothing as CDs themselves cost virtually nothing to manufacture these days. Cashing on in even 500 rabid fans would be well worth it if they can make the initial cost of the run very small.

Some newer models can't play CDs. For sure this will be a normal GD ROM reprint. Or maybe they digged out some old stock G.REV found during a Christmas party in some corner.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:28 pm

According to the article they had to remake everything, even the manuals. The whole thing is really curious. How are they pressing GD-Roms if they aren't being manufactured anymore? I don't know how pressing GD-Roms works, but maybe Messe Sannoh managed to get a couple of hundred leftover blank GD-Roms from Sega. After all, the article says it's only a "limited resale". It doesn't sound like they have large quantities to flood the market with.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:25 pm

Ceph wrote:According to the article they had to remake everything, even the manuals. The whole thing is really curious. How are they pressing GD-Roms if they aren't being manufactured anymore? I don't know how pressing GD-Roms works, but maybe Messe Sannoh managed to get a couple of hundred leftover blank GD-Roms from Sega. After all, the article says it's only a "limited resale". It doesn't sound like they have large quantities to flood the market with.

You know, it's entirely possible that G-Rev had a GD-ROM burner in house... combine that with some left over blank GD-ROM stock they probably had laying around and you've got a small reprint.

One has to wonder if MileStone or Triangle Service squirreled away some extra GD-ROMs as well.