The Street Fighter IV Thread

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:31 pm

circuitface wrote:Hmm... i'm not to stoked about it taking place between 2 and 3. In that case why isn't this part of the Zero series since that's where SF prequels belong? Forward progression plz.

Street Fighter 1 remake plz.

i agree. Why call it 4 when its 2.5? they should of given it a name like Street fighter then a sub title name not SF4.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:42 pm

street fighter ex 4

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:53 pm

Street Fighter: The Middle Child

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:42 pm

Street Fighter 2 2: Electric Boogaloo

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:11 pm

Street Fighter 2: Havana Nights

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:27 am

If 2d fighters don't make money than I can't imagine why Sengoku Basara, Arcana Heart 2, GG Accent Core, and Akatsuki Blitzkampf are all coming to the arcade so close together.

come on, ok fine.... 2D fighters make massive amounts of money. for that matter. I'm sure arcades pull in massive amounts of money from them. on top of that I believe shooters make massive amounts of money. I mean we get how many a year? must be in the hundreds now?

get real... what planet are you on. sounds fun, just doesn't sound like it's the same one I'm on. 2D does NOT make the cash like it used to and the fact that it's so few and far between good 2D releases says a thing or 2 about that as far as profit goes. come on, cave, one of the few companies that does it and does it well doesn't even get their games ported anymore. if it's such a profitable easy market for that kind of game... then why the hell wouldn't they do it. let me guess.... "raise the value of their PCBS?" what a crock.

everyone knows what i mean when I say that. are you really telling me you think 2D fighters rake in the cash like a 3D title? hell come on tekken, soul calibur, even VF5 make WAY more cash then any 2D fighter these days. Are they better? well that's a opinion call but they are certainly quite playable. and they don't even get the money rolling in like they use to.

i don't think 2D blows, i didn't particularly want it 3D either, but i'm not gonna hate on a game that doesn't even exist yet based on 4 pictures. i was SO ready to hate on metroid prime. in fact i did before seeing anything on it. i walked in a store and saw a demo of it, i was shocked and quite happy.... i wanted to play it. now i would have still rather have played it 3rd person (even now) but i still got a game i very much enjoyed and truly wanted to play from start to end.

will SF 4 suck? well i don't know b/c i've only seen 4 shots. i really hope reviewers don't grade games this way..... show me 4 shots, ok it blows, NEXT.

Personally, I'm averse to swallowing shit and calling it honey. There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical about the transition from 2d to 3d (Samurai Shodown 64, KOF Maximum impact, SF EX etc etc). Like I said, and you never answered by the way, what 2d fighter has gone 3d and kept the same gameplay? I sure as shit am not saying it will be bad, all I'm saying I have doubts about it playing like a Street Fighter game. What's so ludicrous about that? It's not even about how it looks, it's about how the visuals are going to affect the gameplay.

you haven't swallow shit or honey yet.... you haven't played it. now alot of 3D fighters have not retained the same EXACT gameplay no, but they have been playable but they certainly were not playable in a way i prefer, you are quite right (although i would say the same thing about alot of the 2D fighters that come out now also, SNK sucks now). but SF is quite a high calibur series thats been out of the higher mainstream for awhile and hasn't been attempted in 3D by the company that created it before (arika did ex and yes it sucked). they are making 4 in 3D, i gotta believe that capcom is going to at LEAST try alot harder than others have in the past and have the resources and possibly the desire to get it right (plus i'm sure they are aware folks like the ones on here are gonna be quite skeptical). it's not like they haven't pulled this off in the past. i mean SF1 sucked the big one but the reinvented sequel started a phenomenon. i am saying it's totally possible that it might turn out quite ok.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:08 am

2D fighters make massive amounts of money. for that matter. I'm sure arcades pull in massive amounts of money from them.

I agree.

2D does NOT make the cash like it used to and the fact that it's so few and far between good 2D releases says a thing or 2 about that as far as profit goes.

I think it speaks more about how much dedication companies are willing to put into their games these days.

come on, cave, one of the few companies that does it and does it well doesn't even get their games ported anymore. if it's such a profitable easy market for that kind of game... then why the hell wouldn't they do it.

a)Danamaku is an incredibly niche market
b)No current home console can display the games properly, let alone handle the rediculous amont of 2d sprites they use

i was SO ready to hate on metroid prime. in fact i did before seeing anything on it. i walked in a store and saw a demo of it, i was shocked and quite happy....

See, I don't like metroid prime. It shouldn't be called metroid because it isn't. Not because it's 3d, but because in the process of moving to 3d graphics they threw out everything that made the series what it was to me.

Very few games survive the trip to 3d. R-Type Delta, Ikaruga, the Rondo Remake... Most others either lose some of what made them special in the first place, or are totally fucked over from the ground up. To a group of people who are constantly alienated by having their favorite games berated, mangled, and destroyed this looks like just another step toward the eventual death of arcade play.

Why don't you just chill out, and let us blow off our steam. Maybe it will come out, maybe it will be great, but we have a right to bitch about it. That's what message boards are for, and this particular message board has alot of people sick of dealing with their games disappearing.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:08 am

Strider77 wrote:you haven't swallow shit or honey yet.... you haven't played it. now alot of 3D fighters have not retained the same EXACT gameplay no, but they have been playable but they certainly were not playable in a way i prefer, you are quite right (although i would say the same thing about alot of the 2D fighters that come out now also, SNK sucks now). but SF is quite a high calibur series thats been out of the higher mainstream for awhile and hasn't been attempted in 3D by the company that created it before (arika did ex and yes it sucked). they are making 4 in 3D, i gotta believe that capcom is going to at LEAST try alot harder than others have in the past and have the resources and possibly the desire to get it right (plus i'm sure they are aware folks like the ones on here are gonna be quite skeptical). it's not like they haven't pulled this off in the past. i mean SF1 sucked the big one but the reinvented sequel started a phenomenon. i am saying it's totally possible that it might turn out quite ok.

I have to agree on this.

EX's backgrounds weren't in 3d at all (they were just moving background animations). The super combo system was cool, but the gameplay was just boring.

The Capcom 3D Fighting games were a lot better visually and gameplay wise. Just play Star Gladiator and Rival Schools everything looks and plays better.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:36 am

So the only way SFIV is getting made is by losing it's identity (2D has just as much to do with mechanics as it does visuals), but we're not allowed to point that out? Seems like shit to me, but maybe it tastes sweet to you.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:37 am

i would've preferred a capcom vs. snk 3

(the thing is, it's not even like it's *good* 3d either)

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:37 am

Why don't you just chill out, and let us blow off our steam. Maybe it will come out, maybe it will be great, but we have a right to bitch about it. That's what message boards are for, and this particular message board has alot of people sick of dealing with their games disappearing.

i am chilled out, but if you can bitch about one thing i can about another. that's what these boards are for like you said. we are debating on this. i don't think you are stupid and see where you are coming from. like i said i was hoping for 2D also, but it ain't happening....

Seems like shit to me, but maybe it tastes sweet to you.

It doesn't taste like anything yet to me b/c i haven't played it yet.

See, I don't like metroid prime. It shouldn't be called metroid because it isn't. Not because it's 3d, but because in the process of moving to 3d graphics they threw out everything that made the series what it was to me.

did you feel the same way about zelda or mario in 3D.... what about F-zero. how about ghouls n ghosts (psp), gradius 5, metal gear or shattered soldier?

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:22 pm

Check out the article! Not everybody lives in the evil empire

http://www.anaitgames.com/?p=7065

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:33 pm

Strider77 wrote:
you haven't swallow shit or honey yet.... you haven't played it. now alot of 3D fighters have not retained the same EXACT gameplay no, but they have been playable but they certainly were not playable in a way i prefer, you are quite right (although i would say the same thing about alot of the 2D fighters that come out now also, SNK sucks now). but SF is quite a high calibur series thats been out of the higher mainstream for awhile and hasn't been attempted in 3D by the company that created it before (arika did ex and yes it sucked). they are making 4 in 3D, i gotta believe that capcom is going to at LEAST try alot harder than others have in the past and have the resources and possibly the desire to get it right (plus i'm sure they are aware folks like the ones on here are gonna be quite skeptical). it's not like they haven't pulled this off in the past. i mean SF1 sucked the big one but the reinvented sequel started a phenomenon. i am saying it's totally possible that it might turn out quite ok.

That's the problem. In the course of the change to 3d graphics they changed the identities of the games. You can't tell me literally hundreds of thousands of people wouldn't be pissed if the next Tekken played like Virtua Fighter. Does that make the next Tekken a bad game? On the face of it, no, it may in fact be an excellent game. The problem is that it's not Tekken. That's why everyone is bitching about the move to 3d and the fact they are calling it Street Fighter 4. As Josh already said 2d has as much to do with mechanics as it does visuals. It if plays like Tekken with projectile attacks, it may be a good game, but will it be Street Fighter?

Aside from that, according to that article Necronom posted, it may not even come out in arcades. I think that would be a pretty fucking big jab at the Street Fighter legacy right there.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:52 pm

im a firm beliver in givng my customer what they want. If i was making street fighter 4 having made street fighter , 2 and 3 I would be saying to myself yeah lets make the game they want to play. well if there not going to do that they can fuck off. If your telling me they have time to put out Crapcom jam in 2D but then thought ahh lets just make it 3D im saying fuck that shit!

FUCK THAT SHIT IN THE ASS!

Im not happy its 3D! you cant change my mind and im not fucking hearing anything about this oooh it strictley 2D game play, its got dhalsim and oooh it set between 3 and 2. FUCK THAT!

You can tell me it could be great and you know what it may play fucking fantastic and it might be a great 3D fighter but it aint fucking Street fighter 4 and if you want to talk to me about prgression well go fuck off and play some EA year by year jizz stain with a grav gun and this years line up for the NBA.

thankyougoodnight!

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:04 pm

Why can't anyone just calm down? If you care so much about it, then send a letter to Capcom. That's why Megaman X even goes on anymore.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:05 pm

Dandy J wrote:look it doesnt have parry so it least cant be the shittiest fighting game ever (3rd strike)

op

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:31 pm

LGB wrote:Why can't anyone just calm down? If you care so much about it, then send a letter to Capcom. That's why Megaman X even goes on anymore.

CAPCOMs like the naughty kid in the corner. They are fully aware of what they have done. Im pissed off with the fact that SF4 is well. . . 3D but whats pissing me off even more is people telling me that its ok. Hummm I know why dont we take all the cave shmups and make them in to 3D Starfox type rail-shmups? I mean no one plays shmps anymore and everyone loves starfox so hey why not right? while were at it lets make the next gunstar heores a FPS. lets make quake an RPG and lets bring in all them cool pimp my ride style moding elements in to Grantourisimo. do you see where im going with this. . . If not go play some other tripe

I am biast I just do not like the way 3D fighters feel at all, They have imporved a fair bit but they still feel ill to me. but SF4 just does not still well with me at all.

Ok shitty comments aside and that rant out of the way. I am really disapointed that SF4 is 3d and not 2D. I played street fighter before 2 game out and I plyead from the age of 6 right the way up to last weekend when i was hammering SF3.3. Capcom may own the franchinse and make the games and publish them. But the game is mine. and everyone else who has stood by whatever game franchise in the years. by all means make your spin offs like Res evil the gun or Starfox RPG and street fighter EX but dont diviate from the main game ya dig?

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:39 pm

How about we just ask them to call it Street Fighter EX4. Happy?

Again, I understand SF should be SF. But complaining about in the off-topic forum of SHMUPS.com isn't going to do much, is it? You'd get a much better response with the big guys themselves. That's all.

This is srs bzns.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:41 pm

I'm willing to give it a shot.

We haven't see any videos of it yet so I'll wait for it.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:42 pm

i've said my part.... i'll wait to play it. if someone cares enough to try hard, i think it can be done, even retaining the game mechanics.

Im not happy its 3D! you cant change my mind and im not fucking hearing anything about this oooh it strictley 2D game play, its got dhalsim and oooh it set between 3 and 2. FUCK THAT!

You can tell me it could be great and you know what it may play fucking fantastic and it might be a great 3D fighter but it aint fucking Street fighter 4 and if you want to talk to me about prgression well go fuck off and play some EA year by year jizz stain with a grav gun and this years line up for the NBA.

thankyougoodnight!

well at least I'm not telling folks to fuck off b/c they want it in 2D... I would have also.

btw i hate EA.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:57 pm

LGB wrote:How about we just ask them to call it Street Fighter EX4. Happy?

Again, I understand SF should be SF. But complaining about in the off-topic forum of SHMUPS.com isn't going to do much, is it? You'd get a much better response with the big guys themselves. That's all.

This is srs bzns.

I think the company Akira owns the EX in street fighter. But yea somehting like that would be cool

Im getting some email address together of people I can email at capcom and then im doing a mail shot if you must know. everyone is entitled to there opinion. Im sure as a stand alone game it would be great just not the next street fighter. I owuld rather they left alone street fighter 4 than made this 3D/2D game

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:16 pm

Post 'em up and we can all mail our discontent to capcom!

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:17 pm

will do when i compile some good'uns Found fuck all so far. I need some emails of big dogs! Harder than I first thought.

FYI I don't hate ea. They publish some good games. Just don't buy in to the yearly ea sports BS

then need to tightern up and not put preasure on games companies to get stuff out in a mad rush becuase some games are so so so very broken just becuase of this.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:08 pm

6 pages of people judging a game before anyone has played it (or even seen a video of it) = win!

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:01 pm

6 pages of people judging a game before anyone has played it (or even seen a video of it) = win!

that's my thing... I wish it was 2d also...... well it's best to put it this way.

I would have felt much safer if it was going to be 2D, announcing it in 3D I am more weary but I want a new street fighter and like it or not this is what I get. I could hate on it right away but i'm not convinced it can't be done. If they made the choice to do it 3D then they must believe it can be done right. Now I don't believe they will do it right for SURE, but I am very curious if they can. They have stated the game play is strictly 2D with six buttons... no side stepping ect. So gameplay wise I like what I hear. I'm incredibly curious, I wouldn't be if capcom japan were not doing it.

Hummm I know why dont we take all the cave shmups and make them in to 3D Starfox type rail-shmups?

That's not even a good analogy.... if cave chose to make a vert shmup with the same cave gameplay except with 3d graphics, well yes I'd be very curious to see it. As long they were just as good at doing 3D visuals as they are 2D. Capcom is very good at doing 3D visuals.

Thanks for posting that article link Necronom.... it caused me to be a bit late from my lunch break.

Post by **nZero** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:46 pm

Strider77 wrote:
Hummm I know why dont we take all the cave shmups and make them in to 3D Starfox type rail-shmups?
That's not even a good analogy.... if cave chose to make a vert shmup with the same cave gameplay except with 3d graphics, well yes I'd be very curious to see it. As long they were just as good at doing 3D visuals as they are 2D. Capcom is very good at doing 3D visuals.

It might be a good analogy. It depends on if this is a 2D fighter with 3D graphics, or has the gameplay actually changed from classic Street Fighter with the move to 3D?

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:09 am

no the game play is not being altered, he says in that article it's strictly 2D with no 3D sidestepping ect with a 6 button layout. if they turned SF into a powerstone then maybe it would be applicable.

changing a cave shooter to a rail shooter is genre changing in a major way.

saying a cave game being rendered in 3D versus 2D with it being still a hori danmaku would be a better way of putting. folks are just trying to make it sound as extreme as possible. like saying it's like making VF play like tekken. it's not like the gameplay engine is being made into tekken or something.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:11 am

why not show a proper gameplay screenshot, with life bars and all? i don't see the point of releasing screens with a "dynamic" camera angle, unless that is actually how it's played (surely not?). it's 3d...okay...but that still looks kinda shit to me, like they haven't put very much effort into it (???).

also, i wont pretend that capcom don't make mistakes. capcom fighting jam wasn't very good. hyper fighting anniversary's original LE release, they forgot to put in the region coding (ntsc/j copy boots up fine on a standard pal ps2 - never seen a glaring oversight like that before). and even SFIII, it took till the 3rd iteration to get good, really. and SFII wasn't perfected till the fifth incarnation.

they wanna update an old franchise and experiment ina different direction, fair enough. but couldn't they have done a 3d version of one of their other franchises first, to test the waters.

(and until i see this game on a shelf in a shop, i'm gonna pretend it's all fake and part of some over elaborate april fool's joke)

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:14 am

they said in that article that it's 2 percent done, that build that is being shown anyway. has anyone bothered to read it?

it's not like ANY game company hasn't made mistakes.... and capcom has had their share of them but they have had ALOT of successes.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:15 am

strange...i read in a different article that development was pretty far in