Favourite Amiga shmup?

[D]

Shadow Dancer was not a great port at all.
We can talk all about how and who to blame, and I have lots of ideas which should have been implemented, but the fact remains.
The PS3 has the best hardware, but is the shittiest console ever, because IMHO there are less than a couple of good games.

[MJR]

What I did was posting thoughts from the actual people who were doing conversions at the time, they regret it as much as everyone else.. I thought you'd like to know

[Shatterhand]

Shadow Dancer was not a great port at all.

Really? Why you say so? Many people usually regard it as a good port, and I've played it a lot and always saw it as a good port.



There was one ported game that took years to be done, the game was released at least one year later than the original deadline, and still the port was horrible -> Battletoads. How the HECK they managed to work in a port for like 2 years, a port from a NES GAME NONETHELESS and still fuck up the port?

[Shatterhand]

guy who used to work at craftgold said that rainbow islands was converted on this method. Impressive.

Graftgold And that happened to be Andrew Braybrook. And he obviously wasn't human, it's usually said his brain was 5 times bigger than the usual human brain . Just for the record, this is the same guy who made Uridium 2 and Paradroid ....

MJR is right, the way those ports had to be made was really amazing in the worst way possible.


Look at the pathetic Street Fighter 2 on Amiga, and then look at Super Street Fighter II Turbo, which is a fucking AWESOME port, released when no one bothered with the amiga anymore...

[MJR]

The guy sharing this info was not andrew, remember graftgold had other employees as well.. I rechecked the thread; apparently they had not much to go at all except the arcade machine; so to get jump patterns right they had to hold tracing paper up to the screen and then compare it to their conversion.
If that is not crazy then I don't know what is... but it was worth it!

..also the guy who did the spectrum version was so good at the arcade game that they were able to video it all the way through.

[BrianC]

Look at the pathetic Street Fighter 2 on Amiga, and then look at Super Street Fighter II Turbo, which is a fucking AWESOME port, released when no one bothered with the amiga anymore...

SSFIIT's CCC2 version was a bit disappointing. Turbo speeds seem slower when set higher and the game slows down and lags on more active levels. The sound often slows down or plays in the wrong places too.

[Shatterhand]

You probably know more than me about all this, but I always knew that Rainbow Islands coding was all done by Andrew Braybrook.

Edit: http://hol.abime.net/1191 this says the same, coding all done by Andrew Braybrook.


Whoever was playing the game with them (Andrew or not), probably didn't reach the last 3 secret islands, as they are missing on the amiga port. I remember many people complained about it, but I bet the guys didn't even know the game had those islands....

Ports published by Ocean usually were pretty good... Parasol Stars is also awesome, as Toki and Pang are (Even though screwing up Pang would need some real incompetent developers)

New edit: And the spectrum version of Rainbow Islands was also really awesome too.

[BrianC]

Ports published by Ocean usually were pretty good... Parasol Stars is also awesome, as Toki and Pang are (Even though screwing up Pang would need some real incompetent developers)

Ocean also did the GB b/w Parasol Stars, which I like quite a bit. Does the Amiga version share the same staff?

[MJR]

You probably know more than me about all this, but I always knew that Rainbow Islands coding was all done by Andrew Braybrook.

Whoever was playing the game with them (Andrew or not), probably didn't reach the last 3 secret islands, as they are missing on the amiga port. I remember many people complained about it, but I bet the guys didn't even know the game had those islands....

New edit: And the spectrum version of Rainbow Islands was also really awesome too.

Yes they did know there were secret islands, because they had them on videotape, but I didn't ask why they were not included. Maybe it took too much space and they wanted to keep it all in one disk, who knows. Andrew Braybrook indeed is credited with programming. But porting it was still team effort, that's why there were other people involved

[Shatterhand]

hmm, it's a shame they didn't include the secret islands.

Not that would make much of a difference to me, I never reached them on the arcade version anyway

[Ceph]

Then I sugest you play some Rainbow Islands Extra (arcade,Marty,Mega Drive). There the secret islands come first.

[Shatterhand]

I know about the extra-version, but I didn't know they started with the secret islands. I though it was just the same game with different music, higher difficulty level and black skies instead of blue

Should take a proper look at it later.

[Emperor Fossil]

Ports published by Ocean usually were pretty good... Parasol Stars is also awesome, as Toki and Pang are (Even though screwing up Pang would need some real incompetent developers)

As you may already know, Ocean France also had a very good looking conversion of Snow Bros all done and ready to go, but for some reason it never saw a release.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBCSgVBokDc

I would have loved to have had this for my Amiga, back in the day.

[yojo!]

Also I remember seeing a preview of Raiden on Amiga that looked pretty dead on accurate. It also never got published. The disk image got leaked in the newsgroups a couple of years ago.

http://amr.abime.net/amr_search.php?sea ... n&mag_id=0

[D]

Also I remember seeing a preview of Raiden on Amiga that looked pretty dead on accurate. It also never got published. The disk image got leaked in the newsgroups a couple of years ago.

http://amr.abime.net/amr_search.php?sea ... n&mag_id=0

What does this mean
Raiden for Amiga?
So does it exist? no videos on youtube. boohoo

[BrianC]

Also I remember seeing a preview of Raiden on Amiga that looked pretty dead on accurate. It also never got published. The disk image got leaked in the newsgroups a couple of years ago.

http://amr.abime.net/amr_search.php?sea ... n&mag_id=0

Looks like a couple different versions of Raiden were planned for the Amgia. This one doesn't look as good as the one here.

[MJR]

snow bros disk image can be found on the net, now

[D]

snow bros disk image can be found on the net, now

Looks very decent. Sprite colors are a bit off though.
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=snow+bros+amiga
I am very curious about Amiga Raiden. Is there anymore besides that 1 screenshot? maybe a review or a video perhaps?
Seems there's nothing: http://eab.abime.net/archive/index.php/t-14216.html

Wait a minute, where's Wings of Death? Great shmup!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JaN4Jx2E_Fk
4:11 check out the loading in between music
4:15 check out level 2's music
Who the hell made that music? Huelsbeck or Tim Follin?
Brilliant.
I played this game alot, very solid. I remember the music on Amiga being slightly better. maybe it's the st emulator. The speach is very loud and clear in this version!
Jezis, I suddenly crave playing this game

[K-J N.]

Who the hell made that music? Huelsbeck or Tim Follin?
Brilliant.

The Wings of Death music was made by Jochen Hippel.

[Shatterhand]

There are both Snow Bros and Liquid Kids, both that were ready to be released but got canned back at time are now available on the internet.

[MJR]

Jochen hippel is/was great.

I've played snow bros conversion, excellent job and fares well compared to the arcade version. Graphics were, in fact, better in the amiga version.

[Hibou]

Jochen hippel is/was great.

For those interested, he provides freely the OST of Lethal Xcess on the official Lethal Xcess website.

There: http://www.edv-rudolf.de/lethal-xcess/j ... #jhlxaudio

A lot of tunes on this page, check "MP3-Files recorded from CD" for the best quality ones.

[mcgeezer]

I see some people here like their tunes - sorry if you have visited this site before.....but just incase....

http://remix.kwed.org

although I'm in no way affiliated with the website I find I visit it on a weekly basis just for the absolute nostalia of the brilliant music that will be with me till the day I die.

The C64 will never die.

[D]

There are both Snow Bros and Liquid Kids, both that were ready to be released but got canned back at time are now available on the internet.

Liquid kids!!!!!!!!!!!! I had it on the Saturn, great game! On the Amiga? wow! Seems some excellent games got canned:
-Raiden
-Snow Bros
-Liquid kids
Why wasn't Street Fighter cancelled instead

[Ceph]

Wings of Death is better on Amiga. Don't forget: Amiga = 32 colors, Atari ST = 16 colors. Amiga also has MUCH better sound capabilities than ST. The music and sound effects sound clearer, and because Amiga has more sound channels, the music doesn't break off when an enemy explodes.

[yojo!]

Well we got a couple of games canned; but we still had Buggy Boy. Who can forget that one;awesome Amiga port and it is still not supported in MAME . I don't think it got a marty or X68000 port either.

[Shatterhand]

There are both Snow Bros and Liquid Kids, both that were ready to be released but got canned back at time are now available on the internet.

Liquid kids!!!!!!!!!!!! I had it on the Saturn, great game! On the Amiga? wow! Seems some excellent games got canned:
-Raiden
-Snow Bros
-Liquid kids
Why wasn't Street Fighter cancelled instead

http://hol.abime.net/4860

By Ocean too. Their arcade ports were spot-on indeed, I dunno why Liquid Kids and Snow Bros weren't released. Toki and Pang were awesome.

[bcass]

Wings of Death is better on Amiga. Don't forget: Amiga = 32 colors, Atari ST = 16 colors. Amiga also has MUCH better sound capabilities than ST. The music and sound effects sound clearer, and because Amiga has more sound channels, the music doesn't break off when an enemy explodes.

On the other hand, a lot of Amiga games were Atari ST ports (especially a lot of the earlier games). The concept that the Amiga had better sound quality is a matter of taste. The Amiga audio hardware wasn't a PSG (Programmable Sound Generator) - it was just a device for playing sound samples (instrument samples). A lot of Amiga music has dated badly, because of the low sample quality of the inststruments and the strange forced wide-pan stereo separation used in the soundtracks. There's some good stuff too, but let's not lose sight of the pros and cons of each platform. The bog standard ST had a faster CPU too which enabled the playback of Amiga style MODs.

[Shatterhand]

On the other hand, a lot of Amiga games were Atari ST ports (especially a lot of the earlier games).

This was a constant on the European scene I guess. When I had an MSX, I had to struggle with crappy european Spectrum ports, when the MSX was so much better.

When I got my Amiga, I had to struggle with crappy Atari ST ports, when the Amiga was so much better.


Lazy coders.... :/

[bcass]

That depends. Did you ever play any of the 3D games on the ST and then on the Amiga? Starglider, Stunt Car Racer, etc? Ever wonder why they run faster on the ST? It's because the CPU was faster and all the extra hardware the Amiga had was useless when it came to 3D vector/polygon games. Also, dismissing the Spectrum and it's wealth of classics is a little short sighted I'd say. The MSX hardly got the cream of the crop when it came to Spectrum conversions. In fact, it only ever really got all the crappy budget games IIRC.

I never owned an ST by the way (I do have an Amiga though).