The GW crowd actually has it pretty good. Just take a look at the poor Dragon Blaze topic- it's been all but forgotten already.Rob wrote:Matter of perception. If you're looking for it it's always there. I see a Mushihimesama pre-orders topic with near 300 responses and 5000 views in a few days. More than Trizeal or GWG got in months, and people have actually played them.The vagrant wrote:tho, id like to see where all those "cave fanboys" are, from what ive seen, most of the cave fans dont post anymore besides maybe neon,me and some others (chtimi?) while i see cave bashing in every topic.
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For the original question.....I've played shmups most of my life. I'm 31 and started with primitive originators of the genre like Defender and countless others whose names escape me on the Atari 2600 (Space Cavern sounds right for one.....Astroblaster may be another name....).
I played Xevious and Desert Falcon (may not be actual shmup according to the Top 25 thread as it's Zaxxon set in Egypt) on the Atari 7800, but really started to love the genre with Life Force on the NES. Guardian Legend's shooter stages just added to that love, but then I really got into RPGs, so I didn't play that many for a while.
After I discovered emulation 5-6 years ago, I really got into them. I've never "1cc"ed one of them (came close with Life Force back in the day, but it's like hand grenades and horseshoes, ya know), but part of that is because I went on an orgy of downloading and really can't bring myself to focus on any particular game. Right now, I'd rather sample/beat as many as possible and pick the ones I like the most to actually work on seriously.
For the Cave comments.....personally, I'm simply not a fan of the manic style that some companies (including Cave) prefer for their shmups. Maybe it's just because I grew up with the old-school systems or maybe it's because I've never been blessed with amazing reflexes, but I simply prefer games from the NES/SNES/Genesis/TG-16/Master System/etc. era that (to me) defined the genre.
It's not that I have any much against Cave, as I enjoyed Guwange (for example) — but that was probably as much if not more for the imagery than the gameplay.....to be honest, I see more beauty in an R-Type, Gradius or Star Soldier than any twitchy, manic shooters out there.
I played Xevious and Desert Falcon (may not be actual shmup according to the Top 25 thread as it's Zaxxon set in Egypt) on the Atari 7800, but really started to love the genre with Life Force on the NES. Guardian Legend's shooter stages just added to that love, but then I really got into RPGs, so I didn't play that many for a while.
After I discovered emulation 5-6 years ago, I really got into them. I've never "1cc"ed one of them (came close with Life Force back in the day, but it's like hand grenades and horseshoes, ya know), but part of that is because I went on an orgy of downloading and really can't bring myself to focus on any particular game. Right now, I'd rather sample/beat as many as possible and pick the ones I like the most to actually work on seriously.
For the Cave comments.....personally, I'm simply not a fan of the manic style that some companies (including Cave) prefer for their shmups. Maybe it's just because I grew up with the old-school systems or maybe it's because I've never been blessed with amazing reflexes, but I simply prefer games from the NES/SNES/Genesis/TG-16/Master System/etc. era that (to me) defined the genre.
It's not that I have any much against Cave, as I enjoyed Guwange (for example) — but that was probably as much if not more for the imagery than the gameplay.....to be honest, I see more beauty in an R-Type, Gradius or Star Soldier than any twitchy, manic shooters out there.
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jp: at first i tought of replying "you're full of shit" and leaving it at that.
did you even read my posts? i aknowledge the fact that all cave games share the same formula of...oh snap, im not going to repeat myself.
anyway, can you tell the simmilarities beetween DDP and dangun? that's starting to get funny, i guess raiden is the same as ddp too, because you're in a ship and you blow up stuff from a vertical perspective.
your point would make much more sense if you compared some other cave games, but ddp and dangun are about as simmilar as thunderforce and hyper duel.
i didnt mention psikyo once, but i will, psikyo games in general re-uses sprites too much, thats the problem with them, that and some games have the exact same scoring bonus system, but by the look of it, some people dont mind at all.
good job on twisting my words around and making me say shit i didnt say, tho.
yes cave games share simmilarities, i dont care, what i care about is that in every thread i click in, there's some cave bashing (the infamous "ha you dont like X game, well its not made by cave so its not for you!!!" even if the person didnt mention cave, or manics in general (half the "trizeal is good" argument)
and what i find here? yet anotheer one, not to mention the topic is horrible to begin with, im not ruining anything by expressing myself here.
its funny when people mention "just stating opinions", what exactly am i doing? stating opinions too, and if my opinion is blatantly ignorant, id expect someone to tell me so. tho next time remind me of replying "stfu non-cavee L33T" and not bother with anything.
and please, tell me what's exactly wrong with "recognizing a cave game at first glance"
because they all look the same? please, i can tell a compile game at first glance, i can tell a raizing game at first glance, i can tell an irem game at...well not really (too much clones from other companies ^^) i can tell if one of the 40 gradius games is made by konami at first glance, can tell most treasure shmups at first glance (not that they did a lot of them, but still)
its not really like cave has disguising their games so jp might not tell if they made it. but completely redone game, with different sprites, music, background, system, level design, everything and only sharing trivial stuff like bulletcount = new game.
yes all cave games are of the same genre, happy?
i wouldnt have to repeat myself if you botheer reading, if i, say, dont like metal, most of the metal is going to sound the same to me.
tho one last question, if you dont like DDP nor dangun, nor the cave style games in general, wouldnt it be moree reasonable to own neither to begin with? so what's your point?
did you even read my posts? i aknowledge the fact that all cave games share the same formula of...oh snap, im not going to repeat myself.
anyway, can you tell the simmilarities beetween DDP and dangun? that's starting to get funny, i guess raiden is the same as ddp too, because you're in a ship and you blow up stuff from a vertical perspective.
your point would make much more sense if you compared some other cave games, but ddp and dangun are about as simmilar as thunderforce and hyper duel.
i didnt mention psikyo once, but i will, psikyo games in general re-uses sprites too much, thats the problem with them, that and some games have the exact same scoring bonus system, but by the look of it, some people dont mind at all.
good job on twisting my words around and making me say shit i didnt say, tho.
yes cave games share simmilarities, i dont care, what i care about is that in every thread i click in, there's some cave bashing (the infamous "ha you dont like X game, well its not made by cave so its not for you!!!" even if the person didnt mention cave, or manics in general (half the "trizeal is good" argument)
and what i find here? yet anotheer one, not to mention the topic is horrible to begin with, im not ruining anything by expressing myself here.
its funny when people mention "just stating opinions", what exactly am i doing? stating opinions too, and if my opinion is blatantly ignorant, id expect someone to tell me so. tho next time remind me of replying "stfu non-cavee L33T" and not bother with anything.
and please, tell me what's exactly wrong with "recognizing a cave game at first glance"
because they all look the same? please, i can tell a compile game at first glance, i can tell a raizing game at first glance, i can tell an irem game at...well not really (too much clones from other companies ^^) i can tell if one of the 40 gradius games is made by konami at first glance, can tell most treasure shmups at first glance (not that they did a lot of them, but still)
its not really like cave has disguising their games so jp might not tell if they made it. but completely redone game, with different sprites, music, background, system, level design, everything and only sharing trivial stuff like bulletcount = new game.
yes all cave games are of the same genre, happy?
i wouldnt have to repeat myself if you botheer reading, if i, say, dont like metal, most of the metal is going to sound the same to me.
tho one last question, if you dont like DDP nor dangun, nor the cave style games in general, wouldnt it be moree reasonable to own neither to begin with? so what's your point?
The only way to be a REAL shmup fan is to take a game you love and play it so much that you can 1cc it and get the high score, and maybe even be featured on some super-replay vids. The fact that you might end up hating the game as a result, nor the conversion of 'fun time' into 'work time', should not overshadow the fact, that these are just the sort of sacrafices that real shmup fans must make.
In fact, if you become a REAL shmup fan, you may begin to hate video games altogether, perhaps reflecting at work how nice it is not to be playing video games. Then you will know that you have moved from a lowly amateur to a TRUE GAMER!
In fact, if you become a REAL shmup fan, you may begin to hate video games altogether, perhaps reflecting at work how nice it is not to be playing video games. Then you will know that you have moved from a lowly amateur to a TRUE GAMER!
SHMUP sale page.Randorama wrote:ban CMoon for being a closet Jerry Falwell cockmonster/Ann Coulter fan, Nijska a bronie (ack! The horror!), and Ed Oscuro being unable to post 100-word arguments without writing 3-pages posts.
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Where the hell did I put words in your mouth? I just said I'm tired of people always bitching about people not liking Cave, and then I gave the reason I don't like Cave. Thats it.
Like I said, maybe I'm not paying attention or something, but I'm not seeing "Cave bashing" everywhere. If anything, YOU are the person who brought this whole Cave-fiasco to this thread, despite the fact that not much was said about Cave prior, so if "every thread you click on" has Cave bashing, maybe you should take a step back and see what you're posting to bring it about.
The man just said he isn't interested in Cave, and you went off the fucking hinges on him.
I'm sick of seeing "Well you just don't like X game because its on X console/by X company" in every thread. If people disagree fine, but there's no reason to go all bitchy about it and throw a hissy fit because someone disagrees with you.
And I didn't say anything was wrong with "being able to tell a Cave game at a glance". I'm just stating this (since apparently I have to super simplify it for you):
Some of us, do not like Cave, because Cave games have a very similar basic gameplay style, that some of us, do not like.
THATS IT. Thats my whole fucking argument in one sentence.
Maybe Dangun and DDP were bad choices for examples. I felt they were similar, but maybe I should instead throw out DDP and ESPgaluda, THERE, happy now?
Bottom line:
This whole mess wouldn't have come about if you hadn't come in crying about some stupid shit that didn't have anything to do with the original topic. If people don't like Cave, fine, they're as entitled to their opinion as you are to yours.
Like I said, maybe I'm not paying attention or something, but I'm not seeing "Cave bashing" everywhere. If anything, YOU are the person who brought this whole Cave-fiasco to this thread, despite the fact that not much was said about Cave prior, so if "every thread you click on" has Cave bashing, maybe you should take a step back and see what you're posting to bring it about.
The man just said he isn't interested in Cave, and you went off the fucking hinges on him. I'm sick of seeing "Well you just don't like X game because its on X console/by X company" in every thread. If people disagree fine, but there's no reason to go all bitchy about it and throw a hissy fit because someone disagrees with you.
And I didn't say anything was wrong with "being able to tell a Cave game at a glance". I'm just stating this (since apparently I have to super simplify it for you):
Some of us, do not like Cave, because Cave games have a very similar basic gameplay style, that some of us, do not like.
THATS IT. Thats my whole fucking argument in one sentence.
Maybe Dangun and DDP were bad choices for examples. I felt they were similar, but maybe I should instead throw out DDP and ESPgaluda, THERE, happy now?
Bottom line:
This whole mess wouldn't have come about if you hadn't come in crying about some stupid shit that didn't have anything to do with the original topic. If people don't like Cave, fine, they're as entitled to their opinion as you are to yours.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!
I'm making up this statistic, but about 85% of that post was pulled out of jp's ass.
The Cave thing is relevant because, like most people on this board, he's making a broad statement about their games based on ignorance. Like this one.
So it's just my opinion (oh DURR you hate me for stating an opinion, etc. etc., retarded and ultimately useless flaming here) that a 'true shmups fan' if such a thing exists, will make level-headed judgements about games.
It's ok to dislike Cave games (though painting every company's games with one brush smacks of fanboyism, or anti-fanboyism as the case may be). But maybe you should re-examine your reasoning.
The Cave thing is relevant because, like most people on this board, he's making a broad statement about their games based on ignorance. Like this one.
Like I said before, I haven't played galuda much, but from what I played it sorta involved switching between two shot modes and no chaining in sight.Maybe Dangun and DDP were bad choices for examples. I felt they were similar, but maybe I should instead throw out DDP and ESPgaluda, THERE, happy now?
So it's just my opinion (oh DURR you hate me for stating an opinion, etc. etc., retarded and ultimately useless flaming here) that a 'true shmups fan' if such a thing exists, will make level-headed judgements about games.
It's ok to dislike Cave games (though painting every company's games with one brush smacks of fanboyism, or anti-fanboyism as the case may be). But maybe you should re-examine your reasoning.
Jesus Christ...
Someone just make a Cave forum on this site and be done with it. Then these people can live in happy Cave world.
And how "85% of that post" pulled from my ass? You picked out ONE SENTENCE where I just threw out two random Cave games. Congrats. I'm glad you've proven something.
Someone just make a Cave forum on this site and be done with it. Then these people can live in happy Cave world.
And how "85% of that post" pulled from my ass? You picked out ONE SENTENCE where I just threw out two random Cave games. Congrats. I'm glad you've proven something.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!
Though I consider myself a fan of shmups, the idea of being a "true fan" makes me shudder now after reading most of the replies of this topic. It's also occured to me there there's little "middle ground" for most people when it comes to Cave's material - you either love it, or loathe it, which kinda disappoints me.
I try to rate a game based on an analysis of the game itself, before throwing in expectations of what kind of game it should be according who developed it. Actually, not even that so much - if there's fun to be had in blowing stuff up, then that's good enough for me. As far as Cave goes, although they do have that recognizable "Cave feel", all of the games are completely different, in my opinion. I love Ketsui and Dodonpachi, but really didn't like Progear or Dangun Feveron. Maybe I made some bad examples, but whatever, just wanted to say something
I try to rate a game based on an analysis of the game itself, before throwing in expectations of what kind of game it should be according who developed it. Actually, not even that so much - if there's fun to be had in blowing stuff up, then that's good enough for me. As far as Cave goes, although they do have that recognizable "Cave feel", all of the games are completely different, in my opinion. I love Ketsui and Dodonpachi, but really didn't like Progear or Dangun Feveron. Maybe I made some bad examples, but whatever, just wanted to say something
people not liking cave is as wrong as me not liking compile.
that's not the point, what i was bitching about is the fact that there's way too much gratuitous, and often ignorant, cave bashing, not only in this forum, in other places too (a fine example would be the infamous ketsui review at insertcredit) at if you choose to deny it, fine, im not going to copypaste topics to make a point, lol.
i choose to deny that a few persons expressing their enthusiasm toward the (previously unlikely) port of mushi is far from being cave fanboyism.
people speak as cave was the devil that will take their beloved dream(cast)s from them, if everyone's reason for all the anti-cave trolling is that they just dont like cave games, this is weak.
and believe me, i wouldnt have posted this if i didnt want to start an argument.
arguments are healtly, it helps understand the views of people, and if there was something to ruin in this topic, i wouldnt have posted it. its just an asinine topic that i dont care about hijacking, this has nothing to do with the comment about cave, but the first part of the post.
i dont especially like the "cave l33T" term, tho.
that's not the point, what i was bitching about is the fact that there's way too much gratuitous, and often ignorant, cave bashing, not only in this forum, in other places too (a fine example would be the infamous ketsui review at insertcredit) at if you choose to deny it, fine, im not going to copypaste topics to make a point, lol.
i choose to deny that a few persons expressing their enthusiasm toward the (previously unlikely) port of mushi is far from being cave fanboyism.
people speak as cave was the devil that will take their beloved dream(cast)s from them, if everyone's reason for all the anti-cave trolling is that they just dont like cave games, this is weak.
and believe me, i wouldnt have posted this if i didnt want to start an argument.
arguments are healtly, it helps understand the views of people, and if there was something to ruin in this topic, i wouldnt have posted it. its just an asinine topic that i dont care about hijacking, this has nothing to do with the comment about cave, but the first part of the post.
i dont especially like the "cave l33T" term, tho.
imo, almost all cave games = gimmick scoring
i still like the ones i've played though.
and yes, you are a shooter fan.
i just dislike the people who judge how good a shooter is based on how many bullets they have on the screen at one time, or how 'x-treme' the scoring is
(while that might be cool, it doesn't do much for determining how good the game is)
i still like the ones i've played though.
and yes, you are a shooter fan.
i just dislike the people who judge how good a shooter is based on how many bullets they have on the screen at one time, or how 'x-treme' the scoring is
(while that might be cool, it doesn't do much for determining how good the game is)wow a reasonable post.russ wrote:Though I consider myself a fan of shmups, the idea of being a "true fan" makes me shudder now after reading most of the replies of this topic. It's also occured to me there there's little "middle ground" for most people when it comes to Cave's material - you either love it, or loathe it, which kinda disappoints me.
I try to rate a game based on an analysis of the game itself, before throwing in expectations of what kind of game it should be according who developed it. Actually, not even that so much - if there's fun to be had in blowing stuff up, then that's good enough for me. As far as Cave goes, although they do have that recognizable "Cave feel", all of the games are completely different, in my opinion. I love Ketsui and Dodonpachi, but really didn't like Progear or Dangun Feveron. Maybe I made some bad examples, but whatever, just wanted to say something
yes, the word "true shmup fan" is utter bullshit, and i find it unbelievable that someone over 20 uses it.
fore some elitists, being a true shmup fanwould imply spending any money you have on it, chasing rare expensive stuff just for the sake of it, for other elitists, it would imply having a superhuman skill at them.
both views are retarded btw.
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The vagrant wrote:i dont like horror threads (like this one)
i somehow doubt you're above 20 years old, and frankly, making a topic asking others to tell you if you're a true something or not is acceptable (i guess) for a teenager, but if you're over 20...man
on another note, why does EVERY FUCKIN THREAD i click contain at least one or two lines speaking against cave? is it an unwritten rule here that you have to bash the current most sucessful shmup developper in order to be cool or what?
I really don't see anything too awfull about this thread/question.
Maybe this guy has associated with people like you all his life, and thus suffers from "Low Self Esteem".
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tehkao: If you have been playing shmups for 20+ years, that is about 7 full years longer than me. So yeah, you like shooters, just not modern ones all that much. Yes, you are definitely a shooter fan. There is no "true" shooter fan, just folks who like 2D shooters. 
There is a huge difference in gameplay between a classic shooter like say Gradius or Star Soldier when compared to DDP or say Progear. All 4 games have carefully crafted gameplay. Some folks just like the simpler 8 and 16-bit/old school arcade days better is all. Hardly something that can be attributed to the idea you propagate of some mass bias against Cave because they didn't make DC ports. It's called personal taste. Not system bias. But yeah, if someone refuses to buy Cave games because they only make PS2 ports that's dumb. But it's weird too ya know? And PCB prices make me mad too but I still want to play a game even if a PCB is expensive, it doesn't make me hate the company for cryin' out loud.
I still haven't 1CC'ed a shooter (I'm getting close with Batsugun and my next target is Garegga, both are very much in my reach). But I get good scores and play 'em a lot. The problem is I own a TON of shooters and don't always have the time I need to individually focus on them. A "Neon no-no" huh?Neon wrote:The fact that you've never 1cc'ed anything and hate score systems shows that you don't play seriously, a no no in my book. The way to get the most enjoyment out of a shooter is to dedicate enough time to it that you can beat it in 1 credit.
Your "Dreamcast fans are whiners" soapbox is getting mighty tired, Neon. You bring it up in every flippin' thread and shoehorn 'n squeeze it in wherever you can. I seriously doubt many folks here who don't care for Cave games are simply annoyed with the PS2 and the price of their PCBs. Could it be modern manic shooters are just not tehkao's cup of tea?And yes, just because Cave didn't make anything for Dreamcast doesn't equate to them being a shitty developer. They get dissed a lot because people don't like the ps2, and don't like arcade pcbs that they 'cant afford' but their games are some of the best.
There is a huge difference in gameplay between a classic shooter like say Gradius or Star Soldier when compared to DDP or say Progear. All 4 games have carefully crafted gameplay. Some folks just like the simpler 8 and 16-bit/old school arcade days better is all. Hardly something that can be attributed to the idea you propagate of some mass bias against Cave because they didn't make DC ports. It's called personal taste. Not system bias. But yeah, if someone refuses to buy Cave games because they only make PS2 ports that's dumb. But it's weird too ya know? And PCB prices make me mad too but I still want to play a game even if a PCB is expensive, it doesn't make me hate the company for cryin' out loud.
about 1cc-ing
If you like shmups, you're a shmup fan. It's okay.
Now, I must admit that when I beat R-Type Final on human mode and posted it here that some people weren't impressed because I didn't 1cc it. I didn't know what a 1cc was but was blown away to think that somebody could complete R-Type Final on a 1cc.
Now, no-one actually admitted to doing it!
but that's okay. I see the value in 1cc and currently get happy when I "1cc" a level in Ikaruga. I don't think I'll ever beat R-Type Final on 1cc, but I was happy to beat it on human mode, regardless.
Either way, 1cc'ing or not, shmupping is fun and there's value in any way you play it. (unless you play frisbee with your Border Down or something)
Now, I must admit that when I beat R-Type Final on human mode and posted it here that some people weren't impressed because I didn't 1cc it. I didn't know what a 1cc was but was blown away to think that somebody could complete R-Type Final on a 1cc.
Now, no-one actually admitted to doing it!
but that's okay. I see the value in 1cc and currently get happy when I "1cc" a level in Ikaruga. I don't think I'll ever beat R-Type Final on 1cc, but I was happy to beat it on human mode, regardless.
Either way, 1cc'ing or not, shmupping is fun and there's value in any way you play it. (unless you play frisbee with your Border Down or something)
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Re: about 1cc-ing
dczx wrote:If you like shmups, you're a shmup fan. It's okay.
Now, I must admit that when I beat R-Type Final on human mode and posted it here that some people weren't impressed because I didn't 1cc it. I didn't know what a 1cc was but was blown away to think that somebody could complete R-Type Final on a 1cc.
Now, no-one actually admitted to doing it!
but that's okay. I see the value in 1cc and currently get happy when I "1cc" a level in Ikaruga. I don't think I'll ever beat R-Type Final on 1cc, but I was happy to beat it on human mode, regardless.
Either way, 1cc'ing or not, shmupping is fun and there's value in any way you play it. (unless you play frisbee with your Border Down or something)
Before I discovered this website (years ago) I refused to belive that someone actually had 1CC Radiant SilverGun.
Sometimes when you know its possible, you'll challenge yourself even further. Most of the time, you will get better results!
It has something to do with the "learning process".
Yep. I used to be like that, till I realized it's better to put a lot of time into a small amount of class A games than a bunch of great to mediocre ones. By the end of the summer I'll probably own 3-5 games.The problem is I own a TON of shooters and don't always have the time I need to individually focus on them. A "Neon no-no" huh?
I thought you were moving in this direction too, Kosh, what with your recent posts about narrowing it down to progear, garegga, etc.
I am a Dreamcast fan...perhaps it's not the PCB/Dreamcast theory, but I still feel there's a lot of ignorance surrounding the Cave hate. I just think they should hate the games for good reasons, as this thread provesYour "Dreamcast fans are whiners" soapbox is getting mighty tired, Neon.
Seriously, Dangun and DDP the same game...
Yeah, I am moving in that direction. But when I 1CC a game I'm sure not gonna rub it in to those who haven't. Some people just have a lot of trouble beating a game on one credit and we all have wildly varying skill levels.Neon wrote:Yep. I used to be like that, till I realized it's better to put a lot of time into a small amount of class A games than a bunch of great to mediocre ones. By the end of the summer I'll probably own 3-5 games.The problem is I own a TON of shooters and don't always have the time I need to individually focus on them. A "Neon no-no" huh?
I thought you were moving in this direction too, Kosh, what with your recent posts about narrowing it down to progear, garegga, etc.
I am a Dreamcast fan...perhaps it's not the PCB/Dreamcast theory, but I still feel there's a lot of ignorance surrounding the Cave hate. I just think they should hate the games for good reasons, as this thread provesYour "Dreamcast fans are whiners" soapbox is getting mighty tired, Neon.
Seriously, Dangun and DDP the same game...
And when have I done such a thing?But when I 1CC a game I'm sure not gonna rub it in to those who haven't.
It could be argued that I was looking down on him for never having 1cc'ed a game but no, I really wasn't. Just giving advice, since playing for score/survival has made me realize the true (tee hee) depth of some of my favourites, and in general helped me get more enjoyment out of the games.
Shame this topic has turned into a big... whatever it is.
As for the original topic: No worries. I have yet to 1CC anything, but I truly love shooters. My favorite genre by far. I just get giddy at the idea of dodging bullets and blowing crap up, even if I suck while I'm doing it. I think it's just the people here and in the superplays you see who commit a lot of time, and in a lot of cases, even their natural skill, to shooters in a way that simply boggles the mind that makes normal shooter fans feel... inadequate.
And for the record, I like Cave shooters. They're hard as hell and I suck at them, but they're fun and beautiful to look at. By no means do I worship Cave. They just happen to be one of the few companies that are still making great games in this modern day where shooters simply aren't recognized by the gaming masses. I guess I'm more thankfull of them than anything. If they stop making games, that'll be one less company that's putting out the games in the genre that we all love the most, manic or not.
As for the original topic: No worries. I have yet to 1CC anything, but I truly love shooters. My favorite genre by far. I just get giddy at the idea of dodging bullets and blowing crap up, even if I suck while I'm doing it. I think it's just the people here and in the superplays you see who commit a lot of time, and in a lot of cases, even their natural skill, to shooters in a way that simply boggles the mind that makes normal shooter fans feel... inadequate.
And for the record, I like Cave shooters. They're hard as hell and I suck at them, but they're fun and beautiful to look at. By no means do I worship Cave. They just happen to be one of the few companies that are still making great games in this modern day where shooters simply aren't recognized by the gaming masses. I guess I'm more thankfull of them than anything. If they stop making games, that'll be one less company that's putting out the games in the genre that we all love the most, manic or not.
I wasn't actually referring to any of your posts. I only skimmed through posts on the first page then skipped the rest.Neon wrote:Clearly not what I meant, for the 50th time tonite.By no means do I worship Cave.
Would you kids stop insinuating fanboyism
It just seems to be a word people throw around the forums a lot when talking about the people here who enjoy Cave games. You like them or you don't, that's fine. I can see why you wouldn't.
Come on folks, we all got a common interest at heart here, can't we all just get a long and live happily ever after? 
Don't know if there's a defitinition of a 'true' shmupper, anymore than there's a definition of a 'true' rock fan or a 'true' movie buff.
All I know is that with the (very) limited time I get to play games these days, I'm far more likely to spend my odd hours hammering away at DoDonPachi, Kyukyoku Tiger or Pulstar (at present) than wasting them (IMO) playing throught the training level in the latest FPS blockbuster. They give me more play for my money, more thrills in half an hour than most 40 hr+ current-gen titles, and they never get old. And if they ever did get old, then I'm through with video games full stop.
Cave? Love 'em. Don't like Psikyo particularily. But I don't feel any great urge to either throw things at you ar start an argument about it if your views happen to be the direct opposite of mine. Relax people!
Don't know if there's a defitinition of a 'true' shmupper, anymore than there's a definition of a 'true' rock fan or a 'true' movie buff.
All I know is that with the (very) limited time I get to play games these days, I'm far more likely to spend my odd hours hammering away at DoDonPachi, Kyukyoku Tiger or Pulstar (at present) than wasting them (IMO) playing throught the training level in the latest FPS blockbuster. They give me more play for my money, more thrills in half an hour than most 40 hr+ current-gen titles, and they never get old. And if they ever did get old, then I'm through with video games full stop.
Cave? Love 'em. Don't like Psikyo particularily. But I don't feel any great urge to either throw things at you ar start an argument about it if your views happen to be the direct opposite of mine. Relax people!
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Surely there are degrees of hardcoreness, and surely nearly all of us are somewhere in that range.
Absolutely. If my goal were merely to 1cc shmups, then I probably wouldn't have much fun in the end. Given my skills and the limited time I have to play, I have little choice but to adopt more modest goals.Dylan1CC wrote:Some people just have a lot of trouble beating a game on one credit and we all have wildly varying skill levels.