That's it, need a new CRT

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:36 pm

I need a CRT TV that's:

* From a popular brand (Sony, etc.)
* Not from Philips (I'm replacing a year old Philips POS).
* It's around 20-25 inch.
* Has Composite, S-Video, and Component (and I wish it has RGB, but I live in America, meh).
* Can change the Geometry Settings very easy (from the remote, not opening up the damn thing).
* I prefer if I can get one new, but I might consider getting a used one.
* Doesn't have any picture problems (like gaussing, brightness issues, and the etc.)

And that's it. I herd that they are different RGB pins and crap like that.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:49 pm

thought you didn't have room for a tv.

why not get that 25" PVM?

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:52 pm

Kingbuzzo wrote:thought you didn't have room for a tv.

why not get that 25" PVM?

Because the POS TV is going to my brother in college.

The problems in the 25 inch PVM scares me. I don't like the fact that I need to change the geometry settings by opening up the damn TV.

segasonicfan · Post by **segasonicfan** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:55 pm

The problems in the 25 inch PVM scares me. I don't like the fact that I need to change the geometry settings by opening up the damn TV.

who said you need to do that? I had my PVM-2530 for over a year and never needed to adjust geometry whatsoever. The only problem with that monitor is the very minor discoloration in the upper left when tated.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:29 pm

segasonicfan wrote:
The problems in the 25 inch PVM scares me. I don't like the fact that I need to change the geometry settings by opening up the damn TV.
who said you need to do that? I had my PVM-2530 for over a year and never needed to adjust geometry whatsoever. The only problem with that monitor is the very minor discoloration in the upper left when tated.

OK, thanks for the tip.

segasonicfan · Post by **segasonicfan** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:24 am

ah crap, forgot to mention the older pvms dont have component though. If you can take the bigger size I recommend the pvm-2950q 29" but tons of digital adjustments you can make and a superior monitor with component input)

-Segasonicfan

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:07 am

Who needs component when you have RGB? Any console>RGB>PVM=awesomeness.

segasonicfan · Post by **segasonicfan** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:34 am

EOJ wrote:Who needs component when you have RGB? Any console>RGB>PVM=awesomeness.

true, he just stated in his first post that he wanted component. thats all.

personally i hate component.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:39 pm

segasonicfan wrote:
EOJ wrote:Who needs component when you have RGB? Any console>RGB>PVM=awesomeness.
true, he just stated in his first post that he wanted component. thats all.

personally i hate component.

Component is not 100% needed. I could live with S-Video, but having RGB is nice.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:39 am

Fighter17 wrote:
segasonicfan wrote:
EOJ wrote:Who needs component when you have RGB? Any console>RGB>PVM=awesomeness.
true, he just stated in his first post that he wanted component. thats all.

personally i hate component.
Component is not 100% needed. I could live with S-Video, but having RGB is nice.

Once you develope a taste for your gaming consoles/Supergun displaying in RGB, you will never want to go back to S-Video or Component Video again...it's that good and so super razor sharp that it a pity that USA NTSC monitors don't have the RGB option installed from the get-go. It would only cost a few cents more in parts overall to manufacture and install..... ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:19 pm

Except for Sony TVs are they another TVs that support RGB in America?

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:33 pm

There are the old NEC Mulitsync monitors like 4PG and XM2960. Both of these models have RGB through 5xBNC connectors. Of course you'll need homemade RGB cables to connect to your consoles.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:43 pm

rolins wrote:There are the old NEC Mulitsync monitors like 4PG and XM2960. Both of these models have RGB through 5xBNC connectors. Of course you'll need homemade RGB cables to connect to your consoles.

Do they support S-Video at least?

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:55 pm

Fighter17 wrote:
rolins wrote:There are the old NEC Mulitsync monitors like 4PG and XM2960. Both of these models have RGB through 5xBNC connectors. Of course you'll need homemade RGB cables to connect to your consoles.
Do they support S-Video at least?

Yup. Both models I gave are almost identical in features. They can do S-Video and also VGA with max res of 1024x768@60hz.

Here are some pictures from ebay:

NEC Multisync XM2960
NEC Multisync 4PG

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:11 am

rolins wrote:
Fighter17 wrote:
rolins wrote:There are the old NEC Mulitsync monitors like 4PG and XM2960. Both of these models have RGB through 5xBNC connectors. Of course you'll need homemade RGB cables to connect to your consoles.
Do they support S-Video at least?
Yup. Both models I gave are almost identical in features. They can do S-Video and also VGA with max res of 1024x768@60hz.

Here are some pictures from ebay:

NEC Multisync XM2960
NEC Multisync 4PG

Damn if you can help me out in finding a good RGB tv that's can ship anywhere in the US then I'm happy.

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:47 am

That be difficult. I wouldn't want the hassle trying the package a behemoth like a 4PG or XM2960. It's too risky. They're 27" CRT and weight about 120lbs, and shipping cost + insurance might cost as much as the monitor.

You might want to try craigslist and do search within the area near you. There's always RGB monitors for sale and since they'll be close by you can do pickups. Or make friends with someone who works in broadcasting which was how I scored 2x 4PG monitors for free.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:09 am

rolins wrote:That be difficult. I wouldn't want the hassle trying the package a behemoth like a 4PG or XM2960. It's too risky. They're 27" CRT and weight about 120lbs, and shipping cost + insurance might cost as much as the monitor.

You might want to try craigslist and do search within the area near you. There's always RGB monitors for sale and since they'll be close by you can do pickups. Or make friends with someone who works in broadcasting which was how I scored 2x 4PG monitors for free.

I tried craigslist and the the only TVs I can find are mostly HDTVs and they are over 30 inch.

But I did found one guy in Orlando who's selling four PVM-2350s for $250 a piece.

jkoch · Post by **jkoch** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:37 pm

Sorry for the dumb question, but why do you guys prefer RGB monitors to CRT TVs or even plasma HDTVs?

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:57 pm

RGB is the best way to send a video signal from a console or video game board to its display. At least up until the invention of SVGA monitors and HDTV's.

If you have an interlaced TV and it supports RGB, thats your best connection. Since PCB's and 2D games use 240 line resolutions the RGB system is best to use.

Svideo and component video are close 2nd's. But if you want the best, its RGB. Although TV's in Japan and Europe can input RGB through a SCART or multi AV connector, the USA never adopted a connector of its own and therefore RGB was eliminated from all TV's.

Post by **undamned** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:50 pm

People wrote:RGB is the best. Anything else is not even close.

I have to say that I agree with this, for the most part, but a single exception that I've seen first hand is Greg's Toshiba. I don't know what model he has, but I kid you not when I say that running a console in S-Video on his TV is every bit as clean as running stuff on my Namco EX2 (29" Nanao monitor) or my Apple IIG RGB monitor. They must have put a lot of extra design into the color separation and filtering because it is RGB nice, plain and simple. Just thought I'd throw that out there to dispel the theory as absolute.
-ud

jkoch · Post by **jkoch** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:01 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote:RGB is the best way to send a video signal from a console or video game board to its display. At least up until the invention of SVGA monitors and HDTV's.

If you have an interlaced TV and it supports RGB, thats your best connection. Since PCB's and 2D games use 240 line resolutions the RGB system is best to use.

Svideo and component video are close 2nd's. But if you want the best, its RGB. Although TV's in Japan and Europe can input RGB through a SCART or multi AV connector, the USA never adopted a connector of its own and therefore RGB was eliminated from all TV's.

Wow, the difference is greater than I would have expected.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:46 pm

I still need a TV.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:12 pm

undamned wrote:
People wrote:RGB is the best. Anything else is not even close.
I have to say that I agree with this, for the most part, but a single exception that I've seen first hand is Greg's Toshiba. I don't know what model he has, but I kid you not when I say that running a console in S-Video on his TV is every bit as clean as running stuff on my Namco EX2 (29" Nanao monitor) or my Apple IIG RGB monitor. They must have put a lot of extra design into the color separation and filtering because it is RGB nice, plain and simple. Just thought I'd throw that out there to dispel the theory as absolute.
-ud

I find the biggest difference is with the scanlines. They are more defined in RGB than they are in svideo. Especially 240p.