Battle Garegga

[Icarus]

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Under agreement from my good friend Rando, I've taken over the maintenance of the Battle Garegga thread. Thanks to the man for running it for so long, and for providing me with countless help and information for the ST thread over the years. I owe you big. ^_^

So, Garegga. Bane of all shmuppers, due to it's unconventional gameplay systems. However, this is one of the deepest, most balanced games ever created, and definitely one for those who are dedicated enough to learn the game.

As with all my other threads, post your scores in the format:

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SCORE - NAME - STAGE - SHIP (SUBTYPE)

A quick note on the tables. Each table has the main ship name listed, with the names of the subtypes in the order B/C/ABC below it. You can either post in the format Wild Snail (B) or Iron Mackerel, whichever makes you more comfortable.

Be aware that I will only accept scores posted with the JAPANESE DEFAULTS - that's Extends set to every 1mil, Normal difficulty. The things that will disqualify a score are Red Ball and Stage Edit, as well as scores submitted for the other versions of the game (like the China revision).

If you want help, the old score thread has quite a lot of tips posted, and there's always the ST thread, too. ^_-

Get those scores in! And enjoy this great game.

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>> Scores as of SamIAm's post: (Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:17 am)

TOP TEN OVERALL SCORES:

1. G,715,920 - KET - ALL - Baster Sword
2. D,600,000 - Randorama - ALL - Golden Bat
3. A.840.290 - DMC - ALL - Iron Mackerel
4. A,324,750 - Cowboy-NOA - ALL - Iron Mackerel
5. 9,313,140 - Radegou - Stage 6 - S. Magic Bomb
6. 9,191,090 - Rastan78 - Stage 7 - S. Magic Bomb
7. 9,188,760 - Vorpal - Stage 7 - Golden Bat
8. 8,321,660 - Neon - Stage 6 - Golden Bat
9. 8,126,670 - Nicolas le jardinier - Stage 6 - S.Magic Bomb
10. 7,738,860 - jpj - ALL - Battle Valhalyzer

SILVER SWORD:
Cannon Ball / Masamune / Shatter Star

1. E,661,160 - KET - ALL - Shatter Star
2. 6,254,930 - Vorpal - Stage 6 - Shatter Star
3. 3,259,240 - BulletMagnet - Stage 4 - Masamune
4. 2,352,050 - zebraairforce - Stage 5 - Cannonball
5. 1,596,380 - Kaiser - Stage 4 - Cannon Ball
6. ...

GRASSHOPPER:
Reinforcer / DGR October / Diving Fox

1. B,284,760 - KET - ALL - Reinforcer
2. 6,228,600 - Rastan78 - Stage 6 - Reinforcer
3. 5,435,420 - BulletMagnet - Stage 6 - Diving Fox
4. 2,581,910 - Ayanami - Stage 5 - DGR October
5. ...

FLYING BARON:
Stormy Omen / Red Impulse / Black Zeppelin

1. D,213,790 - KET - ALL - Red Impulse
2. 3,857,050 - BulletMagnet - Stage 5 - Red Impulse
3. 2,279,420 - shiftace - Stage 4 - Flying Baron
4. ...

WILD SNAIL:
Iron Mackerel / Rust Champion / Golden Bat

1. D,600,000 - Randorama - ALL - Golden Bat
2. C,271,080 - KET - ALL - Golden Bat
3. A.840.290 - DMC - ALL - Iron Mackerel
4. A,324,750 - Cowboy-NOA - ALL - Iron Mackerel
5. 9,188,760 - Vorpal - Stage 7 - Golden Bat
6. 8,321,660 - Neon - Stage 6 - Golden Bat
7. 7,698,960 - SamIAm - Stage 6 - Iron Mackerel
8. 7,226,770 - Gakidou - Stage 6 - Iron Mackerel
9. 7.050.120 - sven666 - Stage 6 - Iron Mackerel
10. 6,957,560 - CRI - Stage 6 - Iron Mackerel
11. 6 713 060 - D-Ku VCR - stage 6 - Golden Bat
12. 6,637,060 - SalemWitchTrials - Stage 6 - Golden Bat
13. 6,333,090 - Punkfox - Stage 5 - Golden Bat
14. 6,091,860 - charlie chong - Stage 6 - Rust Champion
15. 5,586,870 - trevor spencer - Stage 5 - Iron Mackerel
16. 5,555,220 - CIT - Stage 5 - Iron Mackerel
17. 5,458,780 - Guardians Knight - Stage 5 - Wild Snail
18. 5,202,620 - Leandro - Stage 6 - Iron Mackarel
19. 4,915,010 - beam - Stage 5 - Iron Mackerel
20. 4,695,900 - AST-POW - Stage 5 - Iron Mackerel
21. 4,957,170 - BulletMagnet - Stage 6 - Golden Bat
22. 4,898,860 - JTW - Stage 6 - Iron Mackerel
23. 4,890,250 - DC906270 - Stage 5 - Rust Champion
24. 4,800,590 - gameoverDude - Stage 5 - Golden Bat
25. 4,659,800 - Imhotep - Stage 6 - Rust Champion
26. 4,088,010 - silvergunner/RIG - Stage 5 - Iron Mackerel
27. 3,818,460 - thesuperkillerxxx - Stage ? - Iron Mackerel
28. 3,638,960 - raiden - Stage 5 - Golden Bat
29. 3,597,070 - Ayanami - Stage 4 - Rust Champion
30. 3,587,360 - Cthulhu - Stage 5 - Golden Bat
31. 3,249,000 - RFP - Stage 4 - Golden Bat
32. 3,135,460 - alpha5099 - Stage 4 - Golden Bat
33. 2,255,600 - Sonic R - Stage 4 - Rust Champion
34. 2,145,800 - professor ganson - Stage 4 - Iron Mackerel
35. ...

GAIN:
Battle Valhalyzer / Baster Sword / Magic S-Bomb

1. G,715,920 - KET - ALL - Baster Sword
2. 9,313,140 - Radegou - Stage 6 - S. Magic Bomb
3. 9,191,090 - Rastan78 - Stage 7 - S. Magic Bomb
4. 8,126,670 - Nicolas le jardinier - Stage 6 - S.Magic Bomb
5. 7,738,860 - jpj - ALL - Battle Valhalyzer
6. 7,168,620 - Twiddle - Stage 6 - Magic Bomb
7. 6,393,050 - D-ku VCR - Stage 6 - S. Magic Bomb
8. 5,942,870 - zinger - Stage 5 - Gain
9. 5,650,010 - MLeJazz - stage 5 - S. Magic Bomb
10. 5,401,420 - Randorama - Stage 5 - Baster Sword
11. 4,132,130 - BulletMagnet - Stage 5 - Baster Sword
12. 1,682,070 - TKGB - Stage 4 - Battle Valhalyzer
13. ...

CHITTA:
Neo Guidallf / Magic Fire / Jinn The Mountain

1. G,159,850 - KET - ALL - Magic Fire
2. 6,725,210 - Rastan78 - Stage 6 - Jinn the Mountain
3. 5,822,930 - AFXisatwin - Stage 6 - Chitta
4. 3,470,570 - BulletMagnet - Stage 5 - Jinn the Mountain
5. ...

MIYAMOTO:
Samurai Dragon / Ninjyutu Bomb / Simhuu-Giri

1. C,904,290 - KET - ALL - Ninjyutu Bomb
2. 9,108,080 - Rastan78 - Stage 7 - Simhuu-Giri
3. 5,474,290 - TWE - Stage 5 - Miyamoto
4. 5,285,970 - BulletMagnet - Stage 5 - Ninjyutu Bomb
5. ...

BORNNAM:
Final Golgdian / Bat Wave / Gate Of Hell

1. G,401,260 - KET - ALL - Gate of Hell
2. 5,116,000 - BulletMagnet - Stage 6 - Gate of Hell
3. 1,692,220 - Sonic R - Stage 3 - Gate of Hell
4. ...

[Twiddle]

KET (of Garelab/MOG) posted? Awesome.

[Icarus]

KET (of Garelab/MOG) posted? Awesome.

Yeah, he noticed that his site had both Rando's old score thread and the ST thread linking to it, so he visited and dropped up two posts before disappearing again. One was a posting of his scores, the other was a present- a secret page on his site with a bunch of MAME replays, which is still there, by the way.

[Nicolas le jardinier]

Hello, it's my first score without losing medals in the stage 4. But Blackheart kick my ass ! Now I'm going to try to milk completly madball and and the stage 3 boss to improuve my score

7 020 150 - Nicolas le jardinier - Stage 5 - Gain

[Limbrooke]

The things that will disqualify a score are Red Ball...

Was this true in the previous HS since I don't remember it being illustrated there? This isn't something that drastically changes the game, it's basically a matter of preference for missiles over bullets/balls.

I've decided to split off KET's scores into one master table, to allow competition back into the standard tables.

Not that it matters, but why split KET's off for competitions sake? He posted his scores and should be on the normal HS like everyone else, it shouldn't matter nearly owns all the records. I wager if more top players started posting would they too be segregated from the rest, I hope not.

[Icarus]

Was this true in the previous HS since I don't remember it being illustrated there? This isn't something that drastically changes the game, it's basically a matter of preference for missiles over bullets/balls.

People playing on the Japanese PCB or on the Japanese ROMset in MAME don't have the "luxury" of Red Ball.

I wager if more top players started posting would they too be segregated from the rest, I hope not.

KET's scores are excellent, however they also add a permanent first place to the tables. By splitting them off, it allows people to fight for the first place spots again, and more competition is something I'd like.

The likelihood of more Japanese players dropping by and posting their best is quite low. And hardly anyone on this forum is capable of challenging the top spots even if I had left them in their places, anyway. No one seems willing to go for the really high scores here.

[CIT]

Well, Rando already beat KET's Wild Snail score, no?

[Icarus]

Well, Rando already beat KET's Wild Snail score, no?

And?

[CIT]

So KET's score isn't exactly permament first place.

[Icarus]

So KET's score isn't exactly permament first place.

So? One person beating one of KET's scores does not automatically mean I should recombine the tables for your benefit. I split off the scores to keep competition between Western players, and KET's submissions in a seperate table in a price of place at the very top of the list. If more Japanese players came in and submitted, then I would give serious consideration towards combining the scores back in, but for now, this is how I want the tables to look and work.

Your comments are duly noted, and have been filed in the appropriate location.



If it concerns you so much, then go beat KET's scores, and take your rightful place at the top of the tables.

[Limbrooke]

Was this true in the previous HS since I don't remember it being illustrated there? This isn't something that drastically changes the game, it's basically a matter of preference for missiles over bullets/balls.

People playing on the Japanese PCB or on the Japanese ROMset in MAME don't have the "luxury" of Red Ball.

Then perhaps you should split the tables (Arcade/MAME and Saturn) as I don't think it's fair to blacklist Saturn owners who prefer to use Red Ball mode. And it's not like Red Ball isn't accesible to everyone, it's probably well known by those who own the PCB that the Saturn version offers such a feature, and a result they probably don't care. At least if people are using Red Ball they should make note of it when posting a score at the very least.

[Icarus]

Then perhaps you should split the tables (Arcade/MAME and Saturn) as I don't think it's fair to blacklist Saturn owners who prefer to use Red Ball mode.

Why should I? I'm going off the rules of the old table.

Please play the game and post your scores here, of course you have to play on full default mode (i.e. no easy-to-see bullets, edit stages) but you can use the Mahou characters via dipswitches.

the "red bullets" option is out, technically it's like playing the later revisions of the game and even if doesn't give a big advantage, i prefer to stick to the "first model" of the game.Any option that automatically triggers the other types of plane (B,C, ABC) is in, after all the effect is the same as the normal option.Maybe this is a controversial issue, but autofire is also on: i strongly advice to learn the subtleties of the different speeds (in case the part in the ST is unclear, we'll add stuff). One possible trick is (in case of a saturn joystick) to change the autofire speed with the specific control.

Red Ball is more of a detriment than an advantage, anyway, as you lose the ability to judge the movement angle of the bullets being fired.

[Limbrooke]

Then perhaps you should split the tables (Arcade/MAME and Saturn) as I don't think it's fair to blacklist Saturn owners who prefer to use Red Ball mode.

Why should I? I'm going off the rules of the old table.

Please play the game and post your scores here, of course you have to play on full default mode (i.e. no easy-to-see bullets, edit stages) but you can use the Mahou characters via dipswitches.

It never helped that in the old thread these 'rules' weren't posted on the first post or first page even. It boils down to one man's opinion versus another's (perhaps I'm in the minority) and if you want to keep it stingy... no one can stop you anyway.

I believe Red Ball is more of a detriment than an advantage, anyway, as you lose the ability to judge the movement angle of the bullets being fired.

Fixed.

[Icarus]

It never helped that in the old thread these 'rules' weren't posted on the first post or first page even. It boils down to one man's opinion versus another's (perhaps I'm in the minority) and if you want to keep it stingy... no one can stop you anyway.

It's funny, because the rules were posted on the first post of the thread.
Learn to read.
The players who posted knew the rules, and posted their scores regardless.

And hey, if you want to get by in an electric wheelchair while the rest of us are using crutches, then so be it. I'm not changing the rules just for your benefit, however.

[Limbrooke]

It never helped that in the old thread these 'rules' weren't posted on the first post or first page even. It boils down to one man's opinion versus another's (perhaps I'm in the minority) and if you want to keep it stingy... no one can stop you anyway.

It's funny, because the rules are posted on the first post of the thread. Learn to read. The players who posted knew the rules, and posted their scores regardless.

This was based on your original post, not the one you edited, so lighten up.

And hey, if you want to get by in an electric wheelchair while the rest of us are using crutches, then so be it. I'm not changing the rules just for your benefit, however.

That's a really nice thing to say, yet I doubt I'm the only person who has used or would use Red Ball mode due to preference. Bottom-line, I'm one person who felt like speaking my mind and saying I'm unhappy Red Ball is omitted so it's best to leave it at that.

[CIT]

So? One person beating one of KET's scores does not automatically mean I should recombine the tables for your benefit. I split off the scores to keep competition between Western players, and KET's submissions in a seperate table in a price of place at the very top of the list. If more Japanese players came in and submitted, then I would give serious consideration towards combining the scores back in, but for now, this is how I want the tables to look and work.

Your comments are duly noted, and have been filed in the appropriate location.



If it concerns you so much, then go beat KET's scores, and take your rightful place at the top of the tables.

Hmm, must be having your period again...

Sorry, to have bothered you.

[Icarus]

Hmm, must be having your period again...
Sorry, to have bothered you.

No problem.
It is the end of the month, you know.

[jpj]

whats up with all the attitude? shouldnt take it all so serious. bit harsh on ket tho. no #1 spot up for grabs wouldnt stop people being competitive

[Twiddle]

Some forum members still have the stupid "ugh, we can't beat the japanese scores ever!" mentality

If SiK still insisted on using no extends, then he beat the shit out of Novice in Twinbee Yahhoo.

[Limbrooke]

Here's to show I'm not a sore sport and can play on the same terms.



Sega Saturn
3,249,000 - RFP - Stage 4 - Golden Bat

Full defaults and yes... no Red Ball. Hopefully this can get the thread back on course.

[Twiddle]

I still think KET's should be integrated into the board. I mean he did post scores like everyone else did...

[Kaiser]

I still think KET's should be integrated into the board. I mean he did post scores like everyone else did...

Yeah O_o, KET is a human too... icarus for god's sake his scores should'nt be seperated, don't listen to those mental morons who say "OMG I CAN'T WIN WITH JAPANESE SPLIT!"

[Icarus]

Y'know, I don't go and tell people how to run their scorethreads.
What gives you people the right to tell me how to run mine?

[shoe-sama]

lol internets

[jpj]

it's only a bit of constructive criticism.

you are right to make the high score boards more competitive, but that still may not be the correct way of doing it. and can you expect any other japanese players to submit scores on this forum if you wont enter them onto the group table anyway?

[Icarus]

it's only a bit of constructive criticism.

you are right to make the high score boards more competitive, but that still may not be the correct way of doing it. and can you expect any other japanese players to submit scores on this forum if you wont enter them onto the group table anyway?

"Constructive criticism" is subjective, and in the case of this forum, is about as warranted as someone wandering in to someone's trading station thread and yelling "I think your prices are wrong, LOL".

Also, aside from people like KET and RAM (who get my eternal gratitude for actually taking the time to interact with Western players, even with the language barrier), most Japanese players probably wouldn't even give this forum a second glance. If I remember correctly, there was a discussion on Click-Stick's old forum where some of the members there found a pretty long 2ch thread of gamers bashing Western players for being scrubs and lowbies. One of the comments that stuck out for me was a 2ch Anon saying something along the lines of "they get so excited then they score over a 100mil in Daioujou, what a bunch of faggots, Christ they suck". Fun, eh?

In any rate, I've had a think over the way the scores are displayed, and have changed the tables around. KET's scores are back in, and changed the top-most table into a top 10 overall scoreboard.

My "constructive criticism" to all the people pissing and moaning about the way someone else runs their table is thus: shut the hell up, and invest that energy you have complaining about other people's work into trying to get onto the top 10. Because while I don't think you're capable of doing so, I'd like to be proved wrong.

That is all. Back to work, gentlemen. Scores updated.

[Twiddle]

2ch trolls laughing at people proud of their milestones they thought they couldn't break != all japanese arcade players

gamespy/progamer trolls laughing at japanese players suffering from motion sickness != all american fps players

parallels are easy to draw and i assume you've been on the internet long enough to know that, and considering people like ket have been nice enough to acknowledge this place and even post in it despite not knowing much of the language used on this forum it could probably be indicative that generalizations are piss

[Icarus]

2ch trolls != all japanese arcade players

gamespy/progamer trolls laughing at japanese players suffering from motion sickness != all american fps players

parallels are easy to draw and i assume you've been on the internet long enough to know that

That is true, but it still makes you think.
In any rate, I'd like to lay this whole matter to rest. Had a shit day at work, and would like to spend my free time playing RFJ and not typing paragraphs of arguments. I'll save that for 4chan trolling, TYVM.

[PROMETHEUS]

xD

[Arvandor]

2ch Anon saying something along the lines of "they get so excited then they score over a 100mil in Daioujou, what a bunch of faggots, Christ they suck".

Gotta love the bastards who've forgotten that they too were once newbies ^_^

Love to cuff 'em that is.