Why Battle Bakraid only has 8ing?

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:19 pm

Of all the Raizing/8ing shmups there is only Battle Bakraid has 8ing only.

Why anyone?

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:43 pm

Because it sucks compared to Garegga and Batrider.

But no, I have no idea either.

worstplayer · Post by **worstplayer** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:19 pm

Macaw wrote:Because it sucks compared to Garegga and Batrider.

But no, I have no idea either.

Yea, visible bullets and sane rank, what a crap.

Anyway, i think it's because Raizing division merged with rest of 8ing.

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:29 pm

worstplayer wrote: Yea, visible bullets and sane rank, what a crap.

Dont forget completely retarded scoring techniques.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:01 pm

worstplayer wrote:Anyway, i think it's because Raizing division merged with rest of 8ing.

Nah because they continue to use Raizing / 8ing for Brave Blade, 1944: The Loop Master, and Dimahoo.

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:02 pm

Macaw wrote:
Dont forget non-shitty chain scoring techniques.

FTFY

D · Post by D » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:45 am

Macaw wrote:Because it sucks compared to Garegga and Batrider.

But no, I have no idea either.

+1

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:10 am

Tempest wrote:
Macaw wrote:
Dont forget non-shitty chain scoring techniques.
FTFY

You didn't play the game with the intention of actually doing so.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:10 am

Tempest wrote:
Macaw wrote:
Dont forget non-shitty chain scoring techniques.
FTFY

So you're into near constant suiciding and bombing?

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:24 pm

Twiddle wrote: You didn't play the game with the intention of actually doing so.

With the intention of shitty chaining? Or with the intention of not using the shitty chaining? Sorry, I need a little clairification.

zakk wrote: So you're into near constant suiciding and bombing?

So you don't mind losing your chain because you didn't kill that other enemy 1/10 of a second soon enough? And why the hell shouldn't I be able to bomb? As if bomb pride isn't an issue enough in shooters, with DDP and DOJ comes this "Yeah, you could bomb to save yourself, or you could make a whole new headache for yourself and ignore bombing in order to get the MAX bomb and get uber points. Oops, you're dead because you tried to not bomb there!" Fuck that. I have bombs, I want to actually use them. For strategic and scoring purposes, no less! (As well with the occasional "Oh Shi-" moment) Batrider and Garrega let me do that.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:35 pm

Can you get 10M+ off Axebeak?

Can you chain entire stages?

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:18 pm

shoe-sama wrote:Can you get 10M+ off Axebeak?

Can you chain entire stages?

Scoring in Bakraid is a great amount of fun, regardless of how much you've played it. It's easy to apply a few suicide for score exploits without having to replan your entire route. Really addictive!

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:59 pm

The problem with Bakraid is not the scoring, it's that the visual design and sound is cheapo crap compared to Garegga. Just seems really uninspired and rushed.

D · Post by D » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:26 pm

CIT wrote:The problem with Bakraid is not the scoring, it's that the visual design and sound is cheapo crap compared to Garegga. Just seems really uninspired and rushed.

The first boss is so doujin, I'm still confident somebody just hacked that in the rom as a bad april fools joke. (I know that would be near impossible, don't lecture me

)
tada:

just amazing, the designers left and they let the marketing department create the first boss sprite. Incredible

auryn · Post by **auryn** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:10 pm

D wrote:
CIT wrote:The problem with Bakraid is not the scoring, it's that the visual design and sound is cheapo crap compared to Garegga. Just seems really uninspired and rushed.
The first boss is so doujin, I'm still confident somebody just hacked that in the rom as a bad april fools joke. (I know that would be near impossible, don't lecture me )
tada:

just amazing, the designers left and they let the marketing department create the first boss sprite. Incredible

However much I love Bakraid, I gotta agree with this. I find most Raizing games (very generally speaking) suffer from the syndrome that the first level(s) aren't as good graphic-design-wise as the later ones. Mahou, Garegga, Bakraid, Dimahoo, Brave Blade all seem to have this. At first I thought it weird (all arcade games should logically have their best shit up in front, to attract the most players) but I did start to appreciate it as the games generally seem to get better looking (and often more clever as well) the longer you survive.

I concluded that Raizing are just experts in shmup lowballing.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:22 pm

CIT wrote:The problem with Bakraid is not the scoring, it's that the visual design and sound is cheapo crap compared to Garegga. Just seems really uninspired and rushed.

Wow, I felt the music was way above Garegga. I like Bakraid's graphics only because its not a drab palettle like Garegga...but agree the designs could have had more to them.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:31 pm

I'm a Bakraid lover. I want the PCB again

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:54 am

Topic people!

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:36 am

CIT wrote:The problem with Bakraid is not the scoring, it's that the visual design and sound is cheapo crap compared to Garegga. Just seems really uninspired and rushed.

Because of that, I actually thought fot the longest time that Bakraid was the predecessor to Garrega and not the other way around.

And BTW, if I really pissed off anyone about my "shitty chaining" remark, I appologize, I was feeling a little angry, and a little drunk. I figured if people were going to complain about Raizing-esc stuff I should lash back out at Cave-esc stuff. And if anyone was confused, I don't really like enemy chain systems at all. Not in DDP, not in Bakraid, not anywhere. I still think DDP is great, but in all honesty the only type of chaining I can try to do for score without wanting to choke the nearest person with my pad/stick cord is medal chaining like in Gunbird 2.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:54 am

Battle Bakraid has possibly the worst mangling of RFJ's simultaneous destruction scoring system (intentional as a joke, maybe, but not funny at all) which requires the OCD timing that Raizing games traditionally lacked (which is what made them so fun in the first place.)

Haven't given Brave Blade any serious time, but Dimahoo's system was twice as bad as this.

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:16 am

Yeah, Bakraid looks and sounds poor. Technically, the graphics are way more impressive than Garegga (man, just look at that forest!!!) but it simply lacks character.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:44 am

Macaw wrote:Because it sucks compared to Garegga and Batrider.

But no, I have no idea either.

Boo! That's nonsense. Bakraid is a VERY sweet game, and I prefer it to Batrider(although Garegga is a bit better).

But to each his own.

s/m

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:16 am

evil_ash_xero wrote:
Macaw wrote:Because it sucks compared to Garegga and Batrider.

But no, I have no idea either.
Boo! That's nonsense. Bakraid is a VERY sweet game, and I prefer it to Batrider(although Garegga is a bit better).

But to each his own.

s/m

I wasn't exactly fully serious with my comment, Bakraid of course plays great and has good graphics and music and so on, its just that its basically completely ruined by the insane scoring system. If it didn't have the ridiculous multiplier chaining then it would be as widely played as Garegga and Batrider.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:25 am

Well, I think it´s a great game for not-so-skilled players like me if you toss aside the messy scoring system, and this is a title where this is pretty easy to do. It´s also a nice introduction to bullet hoarding.

The Flame Viper is one of my all-time favourite shmups ships (Flamethrower!), but I really wonder what happened to the other ones; most of them are pretty idiotic and useless. I personally really like Bakraid (despite it´s weirdass scoring), but I can understand if people think it sucks.