Jap Saturn on PAL tv (not multistandard): in black and white

stratos · Post by **stratos** » Thu May 31, 2007 1:22 pm

I bought a Japanese Sega Satrun on E-Bay from a very kind power seller; the console works perfectly, but I see all the images in black and white; the problem is that I use a PAL tv that does'nt support other standards; how coul'd I solve the problem?

Make it sense to try with an RGB scart cable? I'd like to know before I buy one on E-bay

Thank you for all suggestions

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:13 pm

rgb is the only way.

stratos · Post by **stratos** » Thu May 31, 2007 6:20 pm

So, all that I need is the RGB cable?

tassian · Post by **tassian** » Thu May 31, 2007 6:56 pm

Yes. If your TV supports RGB on one of its scart ports (very likely).

stratos · Post by **stratos** » Thu May 31, 2007 9:15 pm

Ok, thanks for your confirmation

stratos · Post by **stratos** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:38 am

Excuse me, the ebay seller in person told me that the RGB cable will solve the problem only on a multistandard tv...

What are the other choices?

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:52 am

your tv isn't ntsc 60hz compatible. you will need to buy a new tv

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:12 am

stratos wrote:Excuse me, the ebay seller in person told me that the RGB cable will solve the problem only on a multistandard tv...

What are the other choices?

if RGB cable = black and white then yeah a new TV is your only choice.

or one of those godawfull PAL boosters (expensive and hard to find, plus they give shitty picture).

stratos · Post by **stratos** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:19 am

...Or a Pal Saturn console with an action replay

Thank you, however, for the infos

D · Post by D » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:02 pm

I've had similar problems in the past with a JP Saturn displaying in black and white while using an RGB cable.
Just sell it, buy a PAL saturn, convert it to 60 hz and region mod it to the Japanese region (or buy a mod chip....)
www.gamesx.com

tassian · Post by **tassian** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:44 pm

There doesn't seem to be a real problem: stratos' current TV shows a picture (probably using a composite cable) but it's black and white. This means that (a) his TV can synchronize 60Hz and (b) his TV is a PAL TV (otherwise he'd have color). stratos doesn't need a new TV! The only thing you, stratos, need to check is whether or not one of your scart jacks is RGB capable. If yes, then a simple RGB cable will do the job! It's incorrect that you need a multistandard TV to use RGB scart in 60Hz (what good will PAL or NTSC do if you have an RGB signal that by nature isn't even coded in PAL or NTSC?)! Most modern TVs synchronize 60Hz without a problem. Only if your TV doesn't have an RGB capable scart jack, then then sven666 is right and you'd have to find a different TV or an NTSC -> PAL converter which probably will screw your picture up. What's the make and model of your TV?

stratos · Post by **stratos** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:30 pm

Thank you.

I have a Nokia 19' TV, but I can't say the name of the model; however I play games at 60hz, so I'll give the RGB cable a try

tassian · Post by **tassian** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:50 pm

Trying the RGB cable is a good idea. A good RGB cable costs maybe 6-10 EUR -- that's cheaper than all the alternatives.

D · Post by D » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:41 am

tassian wrote:Trying the RGB cable is a good idea. A good RGB cable costs maybe 6-10 EUR -- that's cheaper than all the alternatives.

Yes, try that first. But if that fails, you can always fall back on my post. I sold mine.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:45 am

I've ran JP Saturns from day 1 to current day on PAL TV's using RGB cables and it always worked fine for me.

Multisystem TV's don't even have scart sockets

. A multisystem TV is one sold in Hong Kong that will take a PAL/SECAM or NTSC signal through all of its inputs.

Well, the term "multisystem" is used loosely usually. A PAL TV that accepts an NTSC signal through composite and Svideo is considered multisystem by some.

D · Post by D » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:52 am

neorichieb1971 wrote:I've ran JP Saturns from day 1 to current day on PAL TV's using RGB cables and it always worked fine for me.

Multisystem TV's don't even have scart sockets . A multisystem TV is one sold in Hong Kong that will take a PAL/SECAM or NTSC signal through all of its inputs.

Well, the term "multisystem" is used loosely usually. A PAL TV that accepts an NTSC signal through composite and Svideo is considered multisystem by some.

Yes a multisystem is a NTSC tv that also accepts PAL formats, but usually still doesn't even have RGB SCART inputs. And yes, here in Europe most tv's can already handle NTSC signals. But some don't and that sucks. Hardcore gamers should start a site about tv's and have a single thread for every tv. Like avforums, but this time from a gamers perspective.

Franz the Stampede · Post by **Franz the Stampede** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:18 pm

Tassian is 100% right. Using an RGB cable provides RGB colour encoding that bypasses PAL or NTSC in terms of colours.

Stratos' TV is not multistandard but can accept 60 Hz signals, otherwise he wouldn't see anything.

stratos · Post by **stratos** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:23 pm

Yeah, hope this cable will let me play my semi-brand_new copy of Layer Section Jap!!!

I'm taking on the transaction: how much euros are 8 pounds????

tassian · Post by **tassian** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:16 am

Just open Google and type "8 GBP in Euro".

(It's about 12 €.)