Ubisoft bringing Senko no Ronde to America?

[Kemko]

http://www.dorya.net/douga/ some matches.
Sorry if it posted alredy

http://manbow.dtdns.net/
This site has 125 match videos. And I also have many videos in my hardisk. I'll upload here if there's request.

Of course, they typically win, because, of course, they understand the game far better than I do, and I still wind up NEVER using the special moves, but eh, I sometimes win 1 round against 'em.

I'm sorry to say this but I think winning one round means little because, unlike many fighting games, strategic self-defeating can be one good strategy in this game.

Mika's annoying since he can get away just by stunning you with homing missiles and then hitting you with his main weapon. Then his B.O.S.S. mode is kinda tough to crack since you need to destroy at least a layer of shielding before you can hit the vulnerable part.

But if you watch your opponent carefully, I believe it's not very difficult to dodge Mika's missiles, right?:D Plus, Mika's BOSS is relatively weak one in this game. Most characters can destroy it's front shield within a few seconds.

Mika pisses me off because he can just use his stupid barrage attack to block the bullet hell from a boss. Ugh. That was f'ing lame.

Ernula is just annoying all around. Especially the boss mode though.

Technically, not only Mika but all characters can neutralize enemy attacks by M+S because all these M+S have invinciblity frames. The effectivity differs from character to character though.

Ernula sure is annoying. Pay attention to her Sub reload circle. Most players fire BEEEAM as soon as it's reloaded. Try dashing at that moment.
Ernula's BOSS, Cirtain Call, is annoying too, but once you dive into her mouth, it's your hunting time!:P

You're using Karel, right? What you can do to mix it up a bit is to move him around during B.O.S.S. mode by dashing. He can move around to any of the 4 corners of the screen. His Final attack is also somewhat useful if your opponent has no method of hitting the arms while they're spinning.

Well, it is arguable but I feel like the dash of Karel's BOSS is waste of time. Don't dash too much. About Final attack, both arms are completely invincible while he is spinning. And for your information, there is a safe spot in that spin attack aka Double Lariat.

I am play my best games with Changpo I am hoping that she is not cheap character I am always seem to find the cheap character in every fight game I play (Sarah in VF5, Nina in Tekken 5, etc.) Every one I play in fight games is discount me becasue I seem to pick and play my best at what is regard as cheap characters

Don't worry. Changpo cartridge-A is one of the strongests without doubt. Cartridge-B is weaker but still in higher rank.

[Varuga]

I am play my best games with Changpo I am hoping that she is not cheap character I am always seem to find the cheap character in every fight game I play (Sarah in VF5, Nina in Tekken 5, etc.) Every one I play in fight games is discount me becasue I seem to pick and play my best at what is regard as cheap characters

Oh I didn't say she was cheap, just that I have a hard time fighting her...

[dai jou bu]

I'd say Changpo, Fabian, and Karel are the top tier players of this game.

About Final attack, both arms are completely invincible while he is spinning. And for your information, there is a safe spot in that spin attack aka Double Lariat.

One of the new gameplay balances? I was able to destroy one of his arms while he was spinning when I did a Sweet Roll on accident. That spelled the end for him since I kept spamming it because his other arm was still on the other side of the screen. Yeah, and I know of the dead zones in that attack since his arms are only so long.

But if you watch your opponent carefully, I believe it's not very difficult to dodge Mika's missiles, right?:D Plus, Mika's BOSS is relatively weak one in this game. Most characters can destroy it's front shield within a few seconds.
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You'd be surprised. I thought I got a general strategy down to take out his frontal shield with Changpo (dash down and start Bitter Swing at point-blank range), but it didn't work in Ranked matches. I found that very odd.

Yeah, Mika's missiles are easy to dodge when you're at the edge of the screen and/or not attempting to close in on him or doing a chase CC. =/

[jp]

I'm sorry to say this but I think winning one round means little because, unlike many fighting games, strategic self-defeating can be one good strategy in this game.

Given that the matches are almost always extremely close... I think it says enough.

[Kemko]

I'd say Changpo, Fabian, and Karel are the top tier players of this game.

Fabian cartrigde-A is good but he has two serious flaws: BOSS's endurance and anti-BOSS ability. Cartridge-B is a piece of junk. A worst Rounder along with Cuilan cartridge-B.
I understand why Karel is so overestimated because that's what happended in Japan just after the release of first version. His true potential is not so good as you may think. On the contrary it seems Sakurako is underestimated. She is much better.

About Final attack, both arms are completely invincible while he is spinning. And for your information, there is a safe spot in that spin attack aka Double Lariat.

One of the new gameplay balances? I was able to destroy one of his arms while he was spinning when I did a Sweet Roll on accident. That spelled the end for him since I kept spamming it because his other arm was still on the other side of the screen. Yeah, and I know of the dead zones in that attack since his arms are only so long.

You are right! Sorry I confused with Lili's BOSS. Madam Butterfly's weapon containers are invincible while they are spinning.
I asked in a Japanese message board and they all say it's almost impossible or useless to break Karel's spinning arms strategically. Maybe that's why I'm rarely seen that happens.

You'd be surprised. I thought I got a general strategy down to take out his frontal shield with Changpo (dash down and start Bitter Swing at point-blank range), but it didn't work in Ranked matches. I found that very odd.

Yeah, Mika's missiles are easy to dodge when you're at the edge of the screen and/or not attempting to close in on him or doing a chase CC.

I can't tell exactly, but maybe it's related to BOSS's dash attack. Mika's BOSS receives 135% damage modification just after he dashes.

About missiles, watch those movies and you'll find that you can't expect much of missile's direct hit.
http://page.freett.com/imori/ronddouga.html Second and third links from the bottom are Mika's movie.

[dai jou bu]

Fabian cartrigde-A is good but he has two serious flaws: BOSS's endurance and anti-BOSS ability. Cartridge-B is a piece of junk. A worst Rounder along with Cuilan cartridge-B.
I understand why Karel is so overestimated because that's what happended in Japan just after the release of first version. His true potential is not so good as you may think. On the contrary it seems Sakurako is underestimated. She is much better.

Heh, maybe I should've said they're the easiest to use.

Yeah, I sort of figured those were Fabian A's weaknesses; I really can't see any real flaws with him, since his sub CC is really effective, he has the fastest melee attack in the entire game, and he can snipe like Karel by throwing his body at you without much warning; heck, that can help in reducing the BOSS trouble he has if you're really good with it as direct hits drain a good amount of the opponent's Charge Gauge. His sub weapon is also really powerful since it still flies everywhere even though it's not on camera.

Yeah, ever since that epic match between IMORI and... Oborotsuki (I think that's how it's pronounced in romanji) I keep showing off to random people in order to get them interested in this game, I've come to the conclusion at how powerful he is. Then there was a Karel B player that showed up earlier this year too.

I'm kind of curious as to how Fabian B isn't great. Didn't someone win a tournament using him?

I can see the potential in Sakurako, but it looks like you need to gamble a lot more with her than with any other character because she needs to get close a lot of times in order to be effective. I'm probably going to end up switching to her one of these days... -_-

I can't tell exactly, but maybe it's related to BOSS's dash attack. Mika's BOSS receives 135% damage modification just after he dashes.

About missiles, watch those movies and you'll find that you can't expect much of missile's direct hit.
http://page.freett.com/imori/ronddouga.html Second and third links from the bottom are Mika's movie.

Hmm... only checked the third one so far. I'll get to the 4thone sometime, but from what I can see, someone should've been a little bit more aggressive in that match. I know Mika B's Shoulder Unit Disposition/Deployment/Detachment fires more than Mika A's; that should've done that to try and speed things up.

I know I tend to eat up my Charge Gauge a lot if I'm comfortable with my character. It's usually half empty. -_-

[jp]

How do you get Medals in this?


At any rate, I did decent tonight. Won 3 of the 4 matches I played, and the one I lost I lost because the lag was ridiculous.

[Varuga]

I wish I could play...my x360 which has been played for about 10 hours prior to me picking up Wartech decided to give me the red rings of death..fucking Microsoft, I had the thing well ventilated and everything...so now I have to ship it back to them. @_@

[mrw209]

Hey does anyone have a Japanese insert that I can print out and replace my ugly Wartech cover with?

Also, my gamertag is Arpharmd B.

Thanks in advance.

[WarCheese]

Hi all:

I was looking at the Senko no Ronde matches the other day, and was reminded of a game I used to play back some years ago: Virtual On Operation Tangram.

I suppose those who played VOOT would be playing Senko no Ronde by now. I am tempted to buy a XBox360 just for this. Somehow, I felt that Senko no Ronde is like DDP with its focus on bullet patterns, while VOOT is more like Gradius or Dragon Blaze, which focus on fast, more direct bullets.

Cheers.

WarCheese

[mrw209]

This is worth buying a 360 for.

I'm just getting into it but yeah, it is 2d Virtual On meets Guilty Gear (bursting) meets a Cave shooter.

There is emphasis on dodging bullet patterns, as you said, however there is still alot of direct fire ala Virtual On. The characters are balanced either way, some have very fast direct shots/shooting, others fire heavy patterns at you. Some are defense based, with teleporting and defensive weapons that shield them.

It's all very fucking great and this is a godsend to have this game released in regions outside of Japan. Long live Dreamcast 2 I mean Xbox 360.

[Danny]

I am suprised that nobody has thought this game plays a lot like the Psychic Force games but with more projectiles and slightly deeper SHMUP style gameplay mechinics yet but then again many people did not really "get" that series though heh.

Anyway this came out in the UK on friday and I picked it up yesterday and I am lovin' it. One problem is though at the moment that there are so many good games just comming out over here in the UK. Forza 2, Shadowrun and now this, I am going to have my game playing time seriously devided over the next few months heh.

I am just so glad that they did not decide to localise the game to much as the presentation of this game really gives it a special sort of edge that a lot of (360 espeicaly) games seem to be missing these days. You can just tell they spent some considerable time making this game.

For the love of god though if you live in the UK don't buy this game in the high street as it will set you back £50! Instead I would strongly suggest picking it up from play.com instead as it will save you a tenner which is nice!

Anyway might be online today so if anyone fancies a game just let me know...

[dai jou bu]

I am suprised that nobody has thought this game plays a lot like the Psychic Force games but with more projectiles and slightly deeper SHMUP style gameplay mechinics yet but then again many people did not really "get" that series though heh

Well, Psychic Force doesn't have chase CCs, Freeze Time, and a three weapon system that's based on two attack buttons, with each type having their own variable reload times, does it? Vector dashing theory also doesn't have much of a role in that game primarily because you have less control over it and most of the time your attacks make you stationary.

Also, I think medals only apply once you hit HI-ROUNDER rank.

[Battlesmurf]

to risk sounding like a weenie-would someone mind explaining to me 'strategic self defeating" ? I've always wondered why I've seen people die almost on purpose in fighing games and such- what's the benefit for something like this?

[Kemko]

to risk sounding like a weenie-would someone mind explaining to me 'strategic self defeating" ? I've always wondered why I've seen people die almost on purpose in fighing games and such- what's the benefit for something like this?

For example (very simple one)... When you are in Vanished mode just after your opponent's BOSS mode, you may have almost full Charge Gauge but no Life Gauge, while your opponent may have no Charge Gauge but 50% of Life Gauge.

Experienced players can foresee how much damage their BOSS can deal. If you think you can't risk on giving 50% of opponent's Life Gauge by Final BOSS, you should kill yourself as soon as possible. You can start the next round with full Charge Gauge and one extra BOSS stock while your opponent has no Charge Gauge and poor BOSS stock.

To prevent it, your opponent will stop firing and try to recover Charge before the round ends. He can finish you off but he dare not do that. This kind of strange silent moment happens occationally in tournament event.

[dai jou bu]

to risk sounding like a weenie-would someone mind explaining to me 'strategic self defeating" ? I've always wondered why I've seen people die almost on purpose in fighing games and such- what's the benefit for something like this?

For example (very simple one)... When you are in Vanished mode just after your opponent's BOSS mode, you may have almost full Charge Gauge but no Life Gauge, while your opponent may have no Charge Gauge but 50% of Life Gauge.

Experienced players can foresee how much damage their BOSS can deal. If you think you can't risk on giving 50% of opponent's Life Gauge by Final BOSS, you should kill yourself as soon as possible. You can start the next round with full Charge Gauge and one extra BOSS stock while your opponent has no Charge Gauge and poor BOSS stock.

To prevent it, your opponent will stop firing and try to recover Charge before the round ends. He can finish you off but he dare not do that. This kind of strange silent moment happens occationally in tournament event.

Yeah, in a way, it's Border Down's suicide system that makes sense to me. I do this sometimes.

[Danny]

I am suprised that nobody has thought this game plays a lot like the Psychic Force games but with more projectiles and slightly deeper SHMUP style gameplay mechinics yet but then again many people did not really "get" that series though heh

Well, Psychic Force doesn't have chase CCs, Freeze Time, and a three weapon system that's based on two attack buttons, with each type having their own variable reload times, does it? Vector dashing theory also doesn't have much of a role in that game primarily because you have less control over it and most of the time your attacks make you stationary.

No but the actual whole floating in 3d space but on a 2D plane thing with floating fighters kinda makes me think... hmmm Psychic Force....

[captain ahar]

simple question, single player campaign decent enough for a purchase. i have no internet

[Danny]

simple question, single player campaign decent enough for a purchase. i have no internet

It's just like any other arcade game to console port really. It has normal Arcade mode and the extended Score Attack mode which contains more characters and an extra boss. The arcade mode has a couple of story brances for each character but at the end of the day the only thing that's going to keep you comming back is if you really like the game or not, not a wealth of game modes.

[captain ahar]

i just mean that given the game takes place in an arena, are the enemy characters smart enough to make it interesting. arcade shooters no problem, but that extra dimension could make or break it.

[Danny]

i just mean that given the game takes place in an arena, are the enemy characters smart enough to make it interesting. arcade shooters no problem, but that extra dimension could make or break it.

Yeah they are good A.I. wise specialy if you crank up the diffaculty but the ultimate experiance is playing with a fellow human. I mean it does not have to be online as such, you could always invite a friend over!

[malcolm]

Okay I finally picked this up today. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

My gamertag is malcolmthecat.

I'm online all the time so somebody please play with me.

[Leroy]

So, is anybody still playing this or is anybody going to be playing it now that it's dropped to the price it should have been to begin with ($30)? I'm still learning the game but I seem to hold my own online so far, if anybody wants to join up for some ranked matches, my gamertag is PixyJunket360.

[malcolm]

So, is anybody still playing this or is anybody going to be playing it now that it's dropped to the price it should have been to begin with ($30)? I'm still learning the game but I seem to hold my own online so far, if anybody wants to join up for some ranked matches, my gamertag is PixyJunket360.

I just sent you an invite. My gt is malcolmthecat.

I suck by the way.

[Leroy]

I suck by the way.

As do I.. but that should make it more fun for both of us. (:

If I see you log on tonight I'll setup a Ranked Match for you to join.

[dai jou bu]

So, is anybody still playing this or is anybody going to be playing it now that it's dropped to the price it should have been to begin with ($30)?

Every time someone says this a metaphorical part of my soul dies.

Kind of taking a break from this game at the moment, but if you want to try me, check if my gamertag is online at around 11-1AM GMT -6.

[Zeether]

It sucks that they didn't bother to put in English voices...they could have gotten some talented anime VAs to do the characters.

[dai jou bu]

It sucks that they didn't bother to put in English voices...they could have gotten some talented anime VAs to do the characters.

There's no need for that since G.Rev already had some big name voice actors to do the Japanese voices, and even the not-so-big ones they acquired fit the roles very well.

[Leroy]

It sucks that they didn't bother to put in English voices...they could have gotten some talented anime VAs to do the characters.

MAJOR agreement. Normally I'd be ambivalent to it, but as the story dialog takes place during all of the action, this was disgustingly lazy on Ubisoft's part. It's a little bit of a moot point since the meat of the game is in versus mode, but it's still a pretty poor decision.

[dai jou bu]

MAJOR agreement. Normally I'd be ambivalent to it, but as the story dialog takes place during all of the action, this was disgustingly lazy on Ubisoft's part. It's a little bit of a moot point since the meat of the game is in versus mode, but it's still a pretty poor decision.

They did that on purpose. Since G.Rev's targeted audience are veteran shmup players, these people shouldn't have any problems being able to manage focusing on two parts of the screen at once. I was able to do it.

The only times I had to restart was when they started talking and I accidentally provoked them into B.O.S.S. mode before they were able to finish their line.