Nintendo revolution info.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:15 am

Specineff wrote:I'm sorry. But with all this stuff about touch screen and gyroscopes, and all the talk the Nintendo guys gave, I still feel like Nintendo is concentrating more on gimmicks than making a kick ass system with good games. Remember the Activator, Menacer, Super Scope, SNES mouse, ROB, Super Game Boy, Pokemon Pinball and such? Gimmicks, I tell you. I'm sad because Nintendo seems to think people will go running to buy their next system in droves just because of their incredible doohickey.

The lightguns are useful for playing certain games, but yet you call them gimmicks? House of the Dead 2, the Virtua Cop series, Battleclash, Metal Combat, Duck Hunt, Silent Scope (though it does play good without the gun, it's still better with one), Gumshoe, the Time Crisis series, and many others are best played with a lightgun. I tried some of these with controller and it's not the same. Pokemon Pinball is actually a very good pinball game. The SNES mouse is very useful for games like Arkanoid. The Super Game Boy was a good idea too. It lets you play GB games on the SNES and you can use the SNES mouse to create artwork (though it's not required). Some games actually have multiplayer modes and special features on the Super Game Boy.

Yes, games are more important than doohickies or whatever, but Nintendo is still making quality games. One disappointing game like Mario Sunshine (which I still like, but could have been better) and the Pokemon Channel (which wasn't even made by Nintendo) and people are yelling foul. Wind Waker is an excellent game, but people scream "kiddie" becuase of a stupid stereotype that has been around since the Genesis days and a new art style, which I feel looks very slick. And then there's the media that rates games lower for stupid reasons like a lack of voice acting, no CG cutscenes, or no online. Yet nobody complians about older games like Mach Rider or Urban Champion. Nintendo isn't perfect, people. They make mistakes just like everyone else.

silvery wings · Post by **silvery wings** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:39 am

Thunder Force wrote:
silvery wings wrote:I have one of the gyroscope mice by gyration, which I believe is the company that nintendo is licensing the technology from. The gyroscope doesnt sense its current tilt angle, but rather, changes in its tilt angle. You wouldnt have to hold the controller level to indicate no input, you would just have to hold it still. Also, the gyro mouse i have has a trigger like button that must be pressed and held in order to utilize the gyroscope, as it is also a standard wireless optical mouse.

The mouse offers a really interesting control experience in first person shooters on my pc, and I could definately see some useful applications for it in console gaming.
Sounds neat. Have you tried playing a mouse-compatible pc shmup with it yet?

Thats a good question. I vaguely remember trying it in Tyrian once, and if i recall it felt kind of sloppy and was rather hard to play, but that might have been because of the inertia your ship has in that game. Of course the gyroscope in my mouse is not designed for gaming, so that could be another reason. I could see a shmup being designed around it, allowing a player to move with speed only limited by how fast you tilt the gyro. How this would affect the gameplay i'm really not sure.

Darkcomet72 · Post by **Darkcomet72** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:46 am

So.... This was Not a April Fools Joke?

jp · Post by jp » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:10 am

Darkcomet72 wrote:So.... This was Not a April Fools Joke?

Thats what I'm wondering...

Zhon · Post by **Zhon** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:51 pm

I doubt it's true - Nintendo's aim is to make a system that can appeal to those who haven't played games before (or in decades) and I doubt a fancy shmancy touch controller will be along those lines.

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:39 pm

Microsoft already released a tilt-sensitive controller several years ago (in the days before XBox) called the Sidewinder Freestyle Pro, so a tilt controller is nothing new. Another interesting project going on right now is a program someone has made for Mac Powerbooks that captures input from the built-in motion sensor (which is intended to park the hard drive heads in case the system gets dropped to prevent data loss) and allows that to be used as a controller. It's an interesting hack, but ultimately not particularly useful.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:31 pm

Vexorg wrote:Microsoft already released a tilt-sensitive controller several years ago (in the days before XBox) called the Sidewinder Freestyle Pro

Wait a sec... I actually bought one of those, but never used it for anything!

It's collecting dust somewhere. OK gotta go find it this week and hook it up to Mame

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:47 pm

If this system will put the nail in Nintendo's coffin, I don't know if I can cope with a videogame world consisting of only Sony and Microsoft. These guys love conformity and don't take risks like Nintendo does. Without Nintendo, all we would look forward to is the same crap each year. I do think Nintendo is losing their touch; they alienated 3rd party devs with the N64 (though who needs them, Nintendo makes some kick-ass games), and sounds like they are doing the same thing with the Revolution.

As someone said, a world with just Sony and Microsoft would suck, but there are worse fates. I will miss Nintendo if they do crash and burn, because I grew up playing their games. I'm no fanboy, however, I was fed up with the N64 and bought a PS1 back in those days and now I have a PSTwo. Even then, though, my GBA SP gets more play time.

If Nintendo chokes, oh well, time to go find a new hobby.

jp · Post by jp » Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:52 pm

FatCobra wrote:If this system will put the nail in Nintendo's coffin, I don't know if I can cope with a videogame world consisting of only Sony and Microsoft. These guys love conformity and don't take risks like Nintendo does. Without Nintendo, all we would look forward to is the same crap each year. I do think Nintendo is losing their touch; they alienated 3rd party devs with the N64 (though who needs them, Nintendo makes some kick-ass games), and sounds like they are doing the same thing with the Revolution.

As someone said, a world with just Sony and Microsoft would suck...

True story.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:53 pm

All I know is that a Nintendo rep. said that they will not use E3 this year to showcase the Revolution, which is an incredibly stupid business decision-Nintendo, that's what E3 IS FOR-showcasing your latest games/hardware! Sheesh, and I thought Kutagari was a moron!

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:33 pm

silvery wings wrote:The mouse offers a really interesting control experience in first person shooters on my pc, and I could definately see some useful applications for it in console gaming.

off-topic i know. just looked through the company's homepage and that mouse looks sweet! i want to play FPSs with one.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:33 am

I can't understand why Nintendo is rambling about making the controller simpler. Weren't they the ones to come up with the 6-button pad, and the wonderful diamond configuration? And if you ask me, the Cube's controller configuration is all but friendly and simplistic.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:50 am

This is not a April fools joke.

Zhon · Post by **Zhon** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:13 am

dave4shmups wrote:All I know is that a Nintendo rep. said that they will not use E3 this year to showcase the Revolution, which is an incredibly stupid business decision-Nintendo, that's what E3 IS FOR-showcasing your latest games/hardware! Sheesh, and I thought Kutagari was a moron! :?

I'll bet you ANYTHING YOU WANT that this statement will be false come May. Name it!

jp · Post by jp » Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:26 am

Zhon wrote:
dave4shmups wrote:All I know is that a Nintendo rep. said that they will not use E3 this year to showcase the Revolution, which is an incredibly stupid business decision-Nintendo, that's what E3 IS FOR-showcasing your latest games/hardware! Sheesh, and I thought Kutagari was a moron!
I'll bet you ANYTHING YOU WANT that this statement will be false come May. Name it!

I bet you a pack of hot dogs!

Zhon · Post by **Zhon** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:05 am

jp wrote:
Zhon wrote:
dave4shmups wrote:All I know is that a Nintendo rep. said that they will not use E3 this year to showcase the Revolution, which is an incredibly stupid business decision-Nintendo, that's what E3 IS FOR-showcasing your latest games/hardware! Sheesh, and I thought Kutagari was a moron! :?
I'll bet you ANYTHING YOU WANT that this statement will be false come May. Name it!

I bet you a pack of hot dogs!

The shipping on those hot dogs will probably cost more than the hot dogs themselves...and not to mention how tasty they'll be after taking 5-7 days in transit.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:52 am

What about a gift certificate to Denny's or A&W? That should do it.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:54 am

Bet all you want guys but this is the quote from Reggie Fils-Aime, executive vice president of sales and marketing for Nintendo of America:

"This year's E3 is not Revolution's coming out party," he said. "

I rest my case.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:00 am

Thats probably down to people stealing Nintendo's ideas for Xenon or PS3.

The launch of the system is more likely to stay on course.

BAD · Post by **BAD** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:54 am

I didn't read every post in this thread, but if this "news" really isn't an April Fool's joke, then Nintendo might be finished after the Revolution. I agree with Specineff...it doesn't seem like it will work well at all. If people had a hard time accepting the DS, then what makes Nintendo think the masses will embrace the Revolution if it has DS-style touch controllers? The magazines will shit on it, and it won't sell. Oh man...I don't know why Nintendo wants to take such big risks when they're in 3rd place...

As for E3, if the Revolution doesn't make an appearance this year, it will be boring as hell unless the PS3 is unveiled. I want to see all 3 new systems unveiled at E3; that would be cool to see 'em battling it out like the good 'ol days...

jp, Zhon: You guys are awesome. Funny as hell.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:28 am

Reggie has said they probably won't reveal the machine itself but are going to explain what the system is and how it works.

Anyways...

I'll bet you my Sifl and Olly and MST3K tapes. Oh wait, no I won't.

"Precious Dylan, Precious Dylan

Calling girls and boys 'sucker' while shmuppin' and chillin'"

SUCKERS!

This is Precious Roy, and the kids in the park think I'm a weirdo!

Olly: But Precious Roy what about these Civil War corpses...

Precious Roy: "Buy my fake medicine! SUCKERRRS!"

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:50 pm

You guys make it sound like the Revolution's coming means the end of the world. We still don't know about Nintendo's mystery console, other than the controller. It could be good or it could be bad. And as much as I like Nintendo, and as much it would suck to live in a world without them, with just Mr. Conformity Sony and Microsoft, there are worse fates than Nintendo's collapse. I am pretty much sick of the current videogame market anyway, nothing really new ever comes out, and all of our favorite genres (shmups and 2D platformers) are pretty much dead. Screw PS3, screw Xbox2, screw the next generation, I'm going to collect enough Nintendo games to survive the post-Nintendo apocolypse. Old games are way much better than new ones, IMO.

Seriously though, Nintendo will find a way to make the Revolution work, after all they have the best franchises in the world, and with the sales of the GameBoy, I doubt they are going bankrupt any soon. Hell, they could survive just making handhelds and games for them! People are a little cold to the DS, only because it is something DIFFERENT. It's not what they are used. DS Sales will probably skyrocket once Zelda DS and Metroid DS is out for it. Hell, I'm already sold on Castlevania (sequal to Aria of Sorrow!) and Mariokart DS (as long as it's online). The touch screen is a little gimmicky now, but I bet crafty game developers can do some cool stuff with it.

The PSP also looks cool, but not having seen any demo units anywhere, I can't make a huge opinion on it yet. All I can say is Sony is being really ambiushous claiming that their handheld can do everything. Can it cook me a pizza? I don't think so.

Give Nintendo some time will ya? You guys are acting like Nintendo's kicked the bucket already.

Zhon · Post by **Zhon** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:37 am

Nintendo is TEH DOOOMED!!!!

It's obvious to everyone that a company sitting on 7 billion dollars of cash reserves and counting is surely on the brink of extinction.

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:08 pm

And to think Sega were the first to go........

Shame about Nintendo atm but I hope things will improve.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:21 pm

FatCobra wrote:and Mariokart DS (as long as it's online).

It is, the latest EGM confirmed it in their preview section.

This fall we will be fighting each other in race and battle mode with turtle shells, all over the country whoo!

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:08 am

Well i'll be hornswaggled!

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:21 am

circuitface wrote:Well i'll be hornswaggled!

I know, I was as fit to be tied as a prize pig and dagnabbit, it was good news if ah evahr heard it. yeeehaw.

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:44 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
jp wrote:Good God, its April people. Any "earth shattering mind numbingly crazy news" should be taken with the hugest grain of salt you can find.
A shaker even.

This news I take with a whole 40 Lb. bag of salt. I don't like the idea of a touchpad replacing standard controllers- period. Something like Nintendo DS where a touchscreen works in tandem with a D-Pad and buttons is fine.

If this was NOT an April Fools' joke, Nintendo is taking a big gamble.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:28 am

The last "revolutionary" controller I recall was the Jaguar's. I hope Nintendo isn't thinking of creating a similar monstrosity.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:40 am

"As someone said, a world with just Sony and Microsoft would suck..."

I hardly think so, considering that without Sony in the console race, we could forget about ANY more home console shmup ports; beyond what's left on the Dreamcast.

People can rip on SCEA, and Sony in general all they want, but no one can deny the fact that the PS2 has more shmups, and 2D games in general, available for play on it then either the Cube or the XBOX combined. And I hardly think this situation will change any with the next line-up of consoles; there's every reason to believe, IMO, that Sony's hardware, whether import or domestic, will continue to get the most shmup ports.

And as far as the Revolution's control set-up goes, I don't think Reggie Fils-Aime's statement means that the Revolution won't be shown at all, only that certain aspects of it will remain "hidden" for some reason or another-but if the Revolution is to have a "revolutionary" new type of control set-up, I am sure we'll hear about that.