Are you all as good as I think you are?

[GaijinPunch]

Yusemi-SWY holds multiple high-score records (and he's not on the Ketsui DVD), as does SYO-sama (who is on the Ketsui DVD). I think you're referring to the guy who was playing the Tiger Schwert.

And Futabishi was the other player, and he's done at least Progear (a sick play) and I'm sure loads more.

[Sonic R]

I felt the same way when i first started posting on this forum. After doing a bit of research everyone said that espgaluda was the esiest cave game to 1cc and it seemed that almost everyone has 1cced this game. However, after playing this game for over a month straight i still cant score more then 2 million or beat the 5-1 boss. I have gotten to the 5-1 boss with 3 lives in stock and choked horribly. So what im trying to say it that you are not alone.

I REALLY suck ! I cannot get past stage 3 in ESPGaluda

(For these reason I do not enjoy that game - one of my least favorite games)

[Geezer]

I suffer from what I call the 4th stage wall.With practice I can make it to stage 4 of any shooter that I've played thus far. The only time I've made it past there is to the end of stage 5 in Garegga.

[jpj]

the 1cc is not the end!

exactly. in fact, the '1CC' is exactly what is wrong with western players imagine if all the ika players had stopped playing when they cleared normal on a credit...! and people here even do 1cc lists...?

it's the wrong mentality.

[nietzschedancing]

the 1cc is not the end!

exactly. in fact, the '1CC' is exactly what is wrong with western players imagine if all the ika players had stopped playing when they cleared normal on a credit...! and people here even do 1cc lists...?

it's the wrong mentality.

I agree. The spirit of competition can consume a game and render it a game of one-up-manship. I can't criticise those who play for score as it's a completely valid way to enjoy the game, but it doesn't sit with me. Me, I just enjoy the thrill.

[Tigershark]

Don't get me wrong. I love playing shmups. That's why I'm here. I just wish I was better at them.

[Klatrymadon]

it's the wrong mentality.

It's only the wrong mentality if the player is a bit of a cock and thinks he has in some way 'conquered' the game. There's nothing wrong with feeling you've seen/played enough, and the 1CC is a decent enough milestone for more or less everything that isn't Psyvariar...

It could be argued that 1CC-satisfaction is detrimental to the 'community', but most of the time, so is telling people how they should play.

[Pirate1019]

I go for the score instead of the 1CC. It's easier that way.

[poieo]

I don't see how it's detrimental to anything seeing as how successive loops are often the exact same game, but with suicide bullets. It's cute to see a loop 7 play of Gradius or something, but that's about it. More than anything, successive loops seem to turn shooters into a contest of endurance. Ever watch a superplay of Sky Shark or Truxton? Gets pretty boring after a while.

Saying that 1cc is detrimental, to me, is sort of like saying you haven't really "beaten" a Final Fantasy unless you've catassed your way to having every item and grinded up to level 99.

[Icarus]

It's only the wrong mentality if the player is a bit of a cock and thinks he has in some way 'conquered' the game. There's nothing wrong with feeling you've seen/played enough, and the 1CC is a decent enough milestone for more or less everything that isn't Psyvariar...

It could be argued that 1CC-satisfaction is detrimental to the 'community', but most of the time, so is telling people how they should play.

Lest you forget, there are a number of players who can probably ALL a game quite comfortably. For those players, playing for score is the only viable way of getting decent replay out of purchases, since for me at least, just clearing a game over and over and over and over will get boring in the long run. With scoreplay you can look for new techniques to improve play in particular sections, for example.

Score play is also a good way of improving your own skills by means of competing with like-minded players. If it extends the life of a $60 import purchase or that $1500+ PCB kit, then why not? -_-;;

[jpj]

it's the wrong mentality.

It's only the wrong mentality if the player is a bit of a cock and thinks he has in some way 'conquered' the game.

that's what i meant regarding 1cc lists. and when you get people saying "...back in 'nam, when i 1cc'd such-and-such...". don't get me wrong, it is an achievement. but it's not the be all and end all.

people can play how they like. i'm just saying i have more respect for people who continue to play a game for ages after clearing it, to improve their score. and i think in some ways, 1cc lists discourage that.

[Klatrymadon]

Lest you forget, there are a number of players who can probably ALL a game quite comfortably. For those players, playing for score is the only viable way of getting decent replay out of purchases, since for me at least, just clearing a game over and over and over and over will get boring in the long run.

Aye, I certainly take this 'optimizing' score-play mentality with Gradius II and Parodius Da! (as you say, playing just to the beginning of loop 2 over and over would be no fun, and I plan on playing them forever), but I'm just a bit "live and let live" when it comes to players who don't care about this stuff, and I'm certainly not disappointed in Blighty for not having produced a Clover-TAC yet.

people can play how they like. i'm just saying i have more respect for people who continue to play a game for ages after clearing it, to improve their score. and i think in some ways, 1cc lists discourage that.

Aye, you're probably right! Considering we all live in countries with barely any arcades and a severe lack of interest in the genre as a whole, though, it might be a bit unrealistic to hope for a serious 2-ALL DOJ 'scene' to emerge.

There's also a really shitty attitude towards people who are good at the games they love in the West, so perhaps there's an element of societal pressure keeping the more self-conscious types from really applying themselves! Actually, no, that's probably bollocks.

[Sonic R]

I suck at score. I am from the old day of console shooter where score was not priority #1. I guess I get no respect.

I still to this day play games with no concern for score. Console games like MUSHA, Gun-nac, Zanac, etc. with great pleasures and no worries for score. I post score sometime to show the world I am poor player for fun and good times but I don't play game for score I play to play and having good time and enjoyment. I got into shoot them up back in 1987 because I have friend who give me Zanac and my old friend JR introduce me to Gradius. I didn' t know what score was.

Beleive me I am messed up I am grow up in west culture and I am 50% asian. I play shoot them for fun my scores suck. I gets none respect I guess. I still play my games shoot them ups are the best becasue I play them over and over again for 20+ years. I keep dodging bullets til the day I die. Shooters 4 ever.

[roker]

I just like to play and see how far I can get

I don't think I have it in mind to 1cc a game

but maybe if I stick to it, it'll happen one day

but it's just for fun

I'm usually a 3rd or 4th stage 1 crediter

[jpj]

Lest you forget, there are a number of players who can probably ALL a game quite comfortably. For those players, playing for score is the only viable way of getting decent replay out of purchases, since for me at least, just clearing a game over and over and over and over will get boring in the long run.

Aye, I certainly play that way with Gradius II and Parodius Da! (as you say, playing just to the beginning of loop 2 over and over would be no fun, and I plan on playing them forever), but I'm just a bit "live and let live" when it comes to players who don't care about this stuff, and I'm certainly not disappointed in Blighty for not having produced a Clover-TAC yet.

people can play how they like. i'm just saying i have more respect for people who continue to play a game for ages after clearing it, to improve their score. and i think in some ways, 1cc lists discourage that.

Aye, you're probably right! Considering we all live in countries with barely any arcades and a severe lack of interest in the genre as a whole, though, it might be a bit unrealistic to hope for a serious 2-ALL DOJ 'scene' to emerge.

There's also a really shitty attitude towards people who are good at the games they love in the West, so perhaps there's an element of societal pressure keeping the more self-conscious types from really applying themselves! Actually, no, that's probably bollocks.

i remember thinking i was fly at radiant silvergun when i passed 150 hours playtime in arcade mode... before ben-shinobi told me he had done over a thousand...

(it's a bit of a misnomer on doj 2-all scores. i think there's probably less than 10 players in the world who can do that. when you look at some of the japanese teams/clubs/players homepages, you never see anyone passing 2-3)

i think the biggest difference between western players and japanese players is being able to dedicate yourself to just one game.

[LUNardei]

i think the biggest difference between western players and japanese players is being able to dedicate yourself to just one game.

Most of them play a game just until the next big thing came out (3/6 months?), right? Ok, their scores in such a 'short" time are often unbeatable for the western players.

Then you have 2/3 players that keep on playing a game for 1/2 years or whatever to try to achieve a WR, but that's another story. In fact they're on another planet from the beginning, for the usual number of factors that we know quite well. So I can't agree if you say that dedication is the biggest difference, no way. I'm playing ULTRA since 11 months or something similar and I honestly don't see a way to beat the TLB. Or to score half of the Dame K.K's default record.

You can say that dedication is a problem for beginners, but the best players here (and there are a lot of good/great players!) don't suffer of "lack of dedication".

[jpj]

i'm not saying people aren't dedicated. i just mean playing a game solitarily.

[DEL]

jpj wrote;

people can play how they like. i'm just saying i have more respect for people who continue to play a game for ages after clearing it, to improve their score. and i think in some ways, 1cc lists discourage that.

Like Plasmo and Icarus said (in so many words): 'The 1CC is just the start'.
But I see nothing wrong in 1CC lists. They're a bit like a basic CV. But if you want, there are a few 1CC lists with scores tagged alongside on the Namakoteam forum .


Anyway, I agree with your 'specialisation' method. Stick to one or two games at a time and try to push yourself on them.

EDIT:- There's a Japanese SF Turbo player studying over here in London at the moment. I noticed the difference immediately ->He just plays and plays and practices and plays and plays. The Japanese know that its all about hours spent.
The question is; Do we wish to put THAT much time in? Or do we EVEN have that much time to spare?
I know that Ben Shinobi certainly believes in the multi-hour method. That Gradius V Euro Comp showed me that he just doesn't stop. He puts crazy hours in until he trains himself up to the level he needs.

[LUNardei]

i think the biggest difference between western players and japanese players is being able to dedicate yourself to just one game.

i'm not saying people aren't dedicated

Uhm...

Anyway:

i just mean playing a game solitarily.

That's why for example

I honestly don't see a way to [...] score half of the Dame K.K's default record.

so yes, I can agree, probably the environment is the biggest difference (and not the only one of course)

[Arvandor]

For me, the 1cc is a good marker to have gotten a bunch out of the game, and move on to playing the next awesome shooter I really want to play. If I didn't at least strive for a 1cc, I'd never play one shooter for more than a week before switching out. It's also a good way to get a feel for what your favorite games are. Once I get maybe 6-10 single credit clears, THEN I'm going to go back to my favorite one, and high score the hell out of it. That's just me though.

[doctorx0079]

to all u guys who say you can't 1cc anything : i think you could do the ps1 version of g.darius on defaults. it's not too hard. or if yr really desparate try nes gradius and nes lifeforce. not too bad.

[Arvandor]

Triggerheart Exelica is really easy, especially if you ignore medals and only get one pattern per boss =) Heck, it only took me a couple weeks to single credit clear it WITH all the boss patterns, and I'm not terribly good at shooters. Imagine how easy it woulda been if I'd ignored medals? =)