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DEL wrote: Raiden 1 was uninspiring, but I think a few people here will disagree with you on R-Type.

So you love CAVE eh :?: :lol:
Well yeah I do. I don't like shmups so much when they're not cave actually ^^;
I liked Blazing Star, Pulstar, Cyvern...
But now I'm all Dodonpachi / esprade / and all cave stuff really except dangun feveron and the older donpachi --a
Stuff like battle bakraid, or Dimahoo, Gunbird... are really boring for me.

Who dislikes Cave games anyway.
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PROMETHEUS wrote: Like I said, they definitely contributed to build the genre of shooting games. That's why they definitely deserve some credit. But they came at a moment where shmups had a lot more to discover to become the interesting genre that it is today. So they still suck. They don't suck because they're old. I know a lot of very old games that were very finalized products and still really interesting to play even today. Starcraft for example, is now 8 years old, but no company has ever been able to make a RTS as rich and complex. (http://www.fighterforum.com/ for the sceptics ;D)

But R-Type or Raiden are not like that. They're very very poor games compared to what has been done later.

Hmm, are you mean Raiden 1 (1990) and R-type (1987!!!)?

You are absolutely not right!
At that time there were no games which would be objectively better than them.
And the following series developed and became better.
I do not love series Raiden (FAST BULLETS!!! I HATE YOU!!!) but I cannot recognize that
Raiden DX it is very good. Too most with R-type the first part is old, but for time it is excellentt.
R-type Delta are perfect!

If you so want to prove that R-type 1and Raiden 1 full shit, simply tell what games of THOSE times better.
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PROMETHEUS - Well at least you liked Cyvern.
Keep an open mind about new and old titles.

You're right that not many people actively dislike Cave games, its just that playing them for score means robotic adhesion to strict routes, thereby removing the freestyle element of play.

The Japanese adore robots and they adore Cave games. Do you see a connection?


EDIT:- I'm sure people will pick holes in the above, rightly quoting that all shoot'em ups require the following of routes. Its just that Cave has taken this idea to robotic proportions.

I still like Ketsui and Mush, perhaps because they allow a little more freedom.
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PROMETHEUS wrote:Who dislikes Cave games anyway.
There's quite a vocal group here on this forum who'd fall into that category...personally, I like most of Cave's work, but just because they made it doesn't automatically mean the game is great, same goes for any other company. Not to mention the ever-present matter of personal gameplay preferences and such...

As far as older games go, I tend to prefer more "modern" stuff as well, most of the time, but can still enjoy, or at least appreciate, some of the older stuff, especially considering that it paved the way for the "modern" shmup as we know it. Preferences are one thing, but putting them in the "worst shmup ever" category is an entirely different matter.
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hello im plasmo i dont like cave games
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hello im plasmo i dont like cave games
^That's very brave of you :o .
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DEL wrote:
hello im plasmo i dont like cave games
^That's very brave of you :o .
Try dissing Raizing. :P ;)
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Plasmo wrote:hello im plasmo i dont like cave games
Why you have a Ketsui port sign as your avatar? :?

Seems like you want to play it. 8)
BulletMagnet wrote:Try dissing Raizing. :P ;)
I dare you.
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Fighter17 wrote:I dare you.
I've already said too much. ;)
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BulletMagnet wrote:
Fighter17 wrote:I dare you.
I've already said too much. ;)
Too many people here say too much!
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If we can count Asteroids as a shmup may I hate it aswell? :lol:
Sorry nothing before the NES for me.....*commence flogging*.
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I don't understand the impressions of old shooters as being sucky and outdated. A game is good when it's not only a groundbreaker, but is also still very playable 20+ years later. Whether a game is better than another though is really subjective. Style preferences aside, what exactly is worse about these older games? And, I could point out ways in which modern shooter design could be perceived as weaker.
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Most of my gripes lie with unresponsive controlls and odd collision checking or flat out cheating the player. I do play alot of games for their art so extreamly old games are a turn off. The main reason I started playing shmups is because their art has always been excellent. Look at gradius for example one of the finest looking games on the NES. Many good looking games on the Genesis/Megadrive too. As raciest as this sounds the Japanese really seem to have a nack for traditional pixel art.
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BulletMagnet wrote: I've already said too much. ;)
You're not even a person!
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captpain wrote:Basically, the reason people don't like Bakraid is because they are fat and dumb
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Asuka & Asuka for arcade

I don't think Taito really made this game :?
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OK now this is a pretty though question. Seriously I mean I have played a lot of Shmups in my time on a lot of differnt systems and generaly I tend at leat enjoy most games even if they do have some major flaws.

Now to say which Shmup is the worst of all time that is a serious question. I mean this is not just something that you can pin on a game that has annoyed you in the past couple of months or even years but a game that is so earth shatteringly bad that you questioned your sainty while playing the game. In other words this game has to be the meter stick of all poor Shmups in your eyes. For every poor shmup you play you have to be like "Well this game is bad but at least it's not as bad as...".

This meter stick of poorness for me happens to be an arcade game called B-Wings also known as Battle Wings in some parts of the world.

There are plenty of things wrong with this game but here is the short list which I consider to be key factors in my reasoning. Lets start with game design or the complete lack of. The enemies are just comepletly "stock" and look like enemies taken out of any early eighties space shmup arcade game but done really badly and the levels are just the same bogey green coloured background that are supposed to represent something but go knows what. Below I have disclosed a picture so you can see the horror for yourself without having to look at my move I made...

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but wait some times the background changes to a disgusting colour of GREY!

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If that was not enough the game is mirgrain inducing so this game actualy cuases you pain as you are playing the bloody thing. The reason for this is a combonation of two things which is the pulsating lights and the god awfuly droning sound that this game has, especialy the background sound yes that's right not music but sound which is this terrable pulsating sound which is the main headache causing culprit.

The the graphics and sound are bad enough to make this game nothing to write home about but once you actualy start playing the game you notice that the gameplay is a real stinker as well. For a start forget Ghost Pilots ship movement speed because your fighter craft in B-Wings really does take the buscuit when it comes to unfair player movment speed vs enemy aircraft speed. Your ship is about as sluggish and slow as venessa felts and rik waller though a military assualt course, no joke! To make matters even more dire for the player the game designer (if you can call him that) decided that when you power up you plane it should double in width... OH JOY! So when you fighting off a horde of kamaze enemies who are pretty much twice as quick as you you are stuck with this hulk of a ship which has low fire range and crappy weaponary unlike the NES version of the game which was slighty better because they had plenty of ship choice with differnt weapons that actualy did some damange and helped the player progress though the game unlike this pile of horse crap which does every thing in it's power just to suck all the fun out of the game for the player and eat there quater, note that's not pural because nobody would play this more than once if they were forced to put real money in an actual arcade machince not even in the eighties.

After you battle you way though the tedious levels which are as about as exciting and stacking shelves in a super market (yeah you try it for a week trust me it's boring!) you will encounter a boss which you will either completely own or it will completely rape you accordingly. The idea is "to shoot the core" but you have to get rid of all the parts protecting said core before you can shot it. This becomes a test of scrolling from left to right hoping that the boss ship's homing black bullets which are roughtly the same size as you ship but a little quicker don't crash in to your ship the v. felts mk. 1. Again because youre weapons have such short range and low fire rate it's kinda hard to land decent hits on the ship without being cought out by the bosses homeing bullets or crashing in to the damn boss ship itself. Once you do shop the core you get the lamest explosion ever because NOTHING HAPPENS! The boss ship just disapears the game despenises the high pitch squeal and the game just transports you to the second level. This is not right, the general rule of thumb in Shmups is that once you defeated a gaint spaceship style boss give the player a explosion to enjoy at the end of a fight. It's not a hard concept to follow yet the person making this game obviously does not play a lot of shmups because he did not include any.

Overall I feel that B-Wings is a game that is the meter stick of poorness when it comes down to poor shmups. Yeah there may be games that rub you up the wrong way and yeah you may not agree with some of the design choices that designers have made in some games but none are put togther with such abondon for the person playing the game itself than B-Wings.

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I like the background machenery but it could be much better. I have to agree though this game ssucks on ice.

Somebody did a good review video on this. Was that you by chance?
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P_HAT wrote:
PROMETHEUS wrote: Like I said, they definitely contributed to build the genre of shooting games. That's why they definitely deserve some credit. But they came at a moment where shmups had a lot more to discover to become the interesting ...........
But R-Type or Raiden are not like that. They're very very poor games compared to what has been done later.

Hmm, are you mean Raiden 1 (1990) and R-type (1987!!!)?

You are absolutely not right!
At that time there were no games which would be objectively better than them.
And the following series developed and became better.
I do not love series Raiden (FAST BULLETS!!! I HATE YOU!!!) but I cannot recognize that
Raiden DX it is very good. Too most with R-type the first part is old, but for time it is excellentt.
R-type Delta are perfect!

If you so want to prove that R-type 1and Raiden 1 full shit, simply tell what games of THOSE times better.

On that note... I Absalutely HATE Last Hope .. I'm sorry i adore R-type and still think it holds up in many ways, as just a good fun challange even over the years.(not to say its exactly an R-type clone :P
But Last Hope, even though i respect it very much, is now my most hated.(sorry if this has been discussed to death, i haven't been on the boards in forever) I have allot of respect for the work of the programmers, but i can't stand how difficult it is, based on the color of the bullets and the color of the explosions. I have to concentrate so dang hard just to discifer the bullet location passing through the same color explosion, and usually end up dying randomly, or by accident. Not to say i have trouble concentrating lol, i just think its unnecessary. I dont see it as a challange, but more of a nuiscance. The game would have been perfect if the bullets had a white center, and outer green or blue glow. Whichever pertained to the LEvel design. (ok not perfect.. maybe would have changed a few other things too.. but you get the point)

There's more i dislike, but this takes the cake for now...Maybe doesn't constitute for the worst, but the most frustrating recently that i had high hopes for meh..[/b]
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The good thing about shmups is that even the worst ones out there still have at least some tiny bit of entertainment to offer. Or maybe I've just yet to play one of the real piles.

Blazeon is... pretty bad. But still has some entertainment value. Kinda cool that you can take over mechs (in concept, at least).

I really am not a big fan of Space Invaders, but dissing SI is kinda like punching an old person. Same with the early 1940 games (42, 43 and Kai).

Fire Shark (Genesis version), while certainly not bad, is boring enough to me that I never have any desire to play it.

Adventures of Dino Riki, is fairly addictive to me, despite the fact that it isn't exactly a wonderful piece of software. Those goddam black orbs that circle you! Send them to hell!

Zombie Nation I do reconise as being a bad game. But that doesn't stop me from liking and enjoying it. Personality goes a long way with me I guess.

Side Arms is just way too much for me, as are many manic and bullet hell games. Gaiares stresses me out to where I rarely challenge it's dominance over me.

But I really couldn't tell you what the worst I've played is. The worst ones to me are simply the ones I haven't yet bought, and thus tempt me to abuse my credit card (Under Defeat, Zero Gunner 2)! Or perhaps the ones I do order that take forever to get to my house, and make me writhe in impatience!
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BulletMagnet wrote:
DEL wrote:
hello im plasmo i dont like cave games
^That's very brave of you :o .
Try dissing Raizing. :P ;)
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Twiddle wrote:learn 2 play
go 4 soda
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Wait... did someone diss Dino Riki? Because that game was really fun.
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jp wrote:Wait... did someone diss Dino Riki? Because that game was really fun.
I kinda backhandedly dissed it and said I liked it at the same time. It's those black orbs, man! I don't know how the developers expected you to get past those without the boomerangs (at least). They should've just given you one life, cause if you die, uhhh... you're dead. :roll:

I guess the same could be said for a lot of older shmups though...
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Eh... the orbs weren't too bad. And at least there were less if you had a weaker weapon.

But yeah, they were kinda tricky. Level 3 was a beast. Especially the platforming bits.
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Andro Dunos for the NeoGeo. Very bad game :?

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Pixel_Outlaw wrote:I like the background machenery but it could be much better. I have to agree though this game ssucks on ice.

Somebody did a good review video on this. Was that you by chance?
Yeah that was me. I will proberbly get down to doing some more in a month or so time! :)
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OptimusPrimeX wrote:
P_HAT wrote:

Hmm, are you mean Raiden 1 (1990) and R-type (1987!!!)?

You are absolutely not right!
At that time there were no games which would be objectively better than them.
And the following series developed and became better.
I do not love series Raiden (FAST BULLETS!!! I HATE YOU!!!) but I cannot recognize that
Raiden DX it is very good. Too most with R-type the first part is old, but for time it is excellentt.
R-type Delta are perfect!

If you so want to prove that R-type 1and Raiden 1 full shit, simply tell what games of THOSE times better.

On that note... I Absalutely HATE Last Hope .. I'm sorry i adore R-type and still think it holds up in many ways, as just a good fun challange even over the years.(not to say its exactly an R-type clone :P
But Last Hope, even though i respect it very much, is now my most hated.(sorry if this has been discussed to death, i haven't been on the boards in forever) I have allot of respect for the work of the programmers, but i can't stand how difficult it is, based on the color of the bullets and the color of the explosions. I have to concentrate so dang hard just to discifer the bullet location passing through the same color explosion, and usually end up dying randomly, or by accident. Not to say i have trouble concentrating lol, i just think its unnecessary. I dont see it as a challange, but more of a nuiscance. The game would have been perfect if the bullets had a white center, and outer green or blue glow. Whichever pertained to the LEvel design. (ok not perfect.. maybe would have changed a few other things too.. but you get the point)

There's more i dislike, but this takes the cake for now...Maybe doesn't constitute for the worst, but the most frustrating recently that i had high hopes for meh..[/b]
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P_HAT wrote:Last Hope... game is crap...
if they be free i say "bad game", but they cost 40$ bucks... so i say "WORST"...
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triggeR wrote;
Andro Dunos for the NeoGeo. Very bad game
It wasn't Great, but me n'KAC both bothered to reach the last stage of the 2nd loop. So I guess it kept our interest long enough to achieve that.
Sadly I didn't note down the score...seem to remember it was around 1.4mil :roll: .
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ARCADIA wrote:Asuka & Asuka for arcade

I don't think Taito really made this game :?
Maybe OTHER people made all their good ones :D

Tokio isn't really that great, either - it's much better than A&A though!
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