Plasma or lcd?

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:15 pm

ktownhero wrote: They WILL look like shit on a Plasma or LCD.

Funny how people often throw plasma and LCD together, like they're one and the same thing with regards to 'low' resolution sources. I can tell you that they're not. It IS possible to have low resolutions look good on a plasma TV.

Monk 0 Nuggets · Post by **Monk 0 Nuggets** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:58 am

What tvs do you guys think is the best for video games in general? Plasma, LCD, CRT and what specific models do you guys think are the best for gaming as compared for price?

Franz the Stampede · Post by **Franz the Stampede** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:03 pm

Monk 0 Nuggets wrote:What tvs do you guys think is the best for video games in general? Plasma, LCD, CRT and what specific models do you guys think are the best for gaming as compared for price?

After people here told me about High Definition CRT televisions (see earlier this post) I think you can't get any better than that.

If you can find one that has both VGA and YPbPr inputs, you're done. You'll be able to see in the best way possible anything that is 480p or more.

If I was living in my own place I would bought one already...

Endymion · Post by **Endymion** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:02 pm

Trouble is, it is virtually impossible to get a decently large CRT HDTV that does not have completely fucked geometry, something you'll never have to worry about on newer sets. Also very few of them accept 720p at all, and none can display that resolution natively.

Franz the Stampede · Post by **Franz the Stampede** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:51 pm

Endymion wrote:Also very few of them accept 720p at all, and none can display that resolution natively.

Why not? Though most VGA monitors start from 800×600, which means 720p should be displayed. And what do you mean when you say that resolution can't be displayed natively?

Post by **nZero** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:05 am

Franz the Stampede wrote:
Endymion wrote:Also very few of them accept 720p at all, and none can display that resolution natively.
Why not? Though most VGA monitors start from 800×600, which means 720p should be displayed. And what do you mean when you say that resolution can't be displayed natively?

720p is 1280x720. Most (probably all) CRT HDTV sets upscale a 720p signal to 1080i. Any modern set will accept it as an input resolution though. I agree, though, the last generation of widescreen CRT monitors easily supported beyond 1080p resolution and it's a shame that I can't get even a smaller CRT HDTV with the same capability.

Franz the Stampede · Post by **Franz the Stampede** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:26 am

nZero wrote: 720p is 1280x720. Most (probably all) CRT HDTV sets upscale a 720p signal to 1080i.

Is there a "reason" for that? wasn't the possibility of supporting many resolutions in a "natural" way the whole point of CRT technology?

Why do I get the feeling that we are going backwards rather than forward, technologically speaking?

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:59 pm

Plasma and LCD? Both crap.

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/0,239035250, ... m#laser_tv

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:28 pm

Hot damn. Hope it can take VGA if/when released. Me needs my old school games via XRGB. (Heh, guess DLP is going to be the big loser soon)

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:33 pm

Ceph wrote:Plasma and LCD? Both crap.

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/0,239035250, ... m#laser_tv

No, they are not both crap. It's pure ignorance to claim both flat panel technologies today are crap and then counter with laser, which is just another form of projection. It's not a flat panel technology! For rear projection it has all the flaws of DLP, SXRD and so on. For front projection, it might be good some day, but nothing has been proven as of yet, other than it's a good technology for projection, in theory.

D · Post by D » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:31 pm

Ceph wrote:Plasma and LCD? Both crap.

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/0,239035250, ... m#laser_tv

Thanks for pointing that out.
The comparison is really crap. They put brighness on 100% and contrast on 0% on the plasma. everyone falling for that number should be punished

Post by **nZero** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:34 pm

Franz the Stampede wrote:Is there a "reason" for that? wasn't the possibility of supporting many resolutions in a "natural" way the whole point of CRT technology?

1080i requires a lower scan rate than 720p, and not much more than 480p. Horizontal resolution is pretty much inconsequential for non-fixed-pixel displays. So, less money spent on advancing tube technology.

Monk 0 Nuggets · Post by **Monk 0 Nuggets** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:24 pm

I forgot I posted in here. Anyone have a 1080p capable TV they really are happy with or no?

Reluctant Hero · Post by **Reluctant Hero** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:32 pm

I agree that both LCD and Plasma are crap. I've got 42" Samsung DLP 720p and I love it to death. Too bate I can't tate it.

Yoko mode for me.

D · Post by D » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:20 pm

I'm searching for a small plasma for my mom.
I'm thinking Panasonic TH-37 PV 45 EH. Maybe the 'EH' stands for europe or something even when searching for Panasonic TH-37 PV 45 I get only European hits
She has only two important wishes. She wants good sound. Do any plasma/lcd even have good sound? What with beaing so thin and all and having little room. She doesn't care about plasma or lcd, but I want her to take a plasma. Mind you she on a budget so I thought the aforementioned model would be fine.
Does Panasonic in general have good sound? I mean they've got the term sonic in their brand name for crying out loud

Anybody know? Or recommend me a small 37" plasma don't wont break the bank with reasonable sound.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:32 am

E = Europe and H = the so called 'H-foot' comes along for free. Initially you had to buy a foot or some wall mounting stuff seperately.

The PX60 I have probably has the best TV sound I've ever heard, but I don't think that's saying much. In general TVs just have crappy sound. The PV/PX600 series has better sound as one of the selling points over the 60 ones, but then it's more expensive, and it's still just TV sound. The price difference would most likely be better spent on some external stereo sound.

I'd recommend the PV60 over the PV45, unless the price difference is staggering. It shouldn't be, considering that the price war has been on the PV and PX60s.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:58 am

I have noticed that Plasma at close range is not to my liking, you can see black between each pixel. You have to be at least 5 feet away from the screen before that disapears with a 40". It is most noticable when a single colour is shown on the screen but you can see its there at any time.

With LCD the whole screen is filled, but I notice tons of noise on the screen at close range as well. It also looks slightly blurrier from distance than Plasma.

With resolution, apparently its more important to get a 768 panel that can process 1080p than it is to have a 1080 panel. We haven't quite left SD and HD is still mainly a gaming thing, so TV's are expected to be good at everything.. As we move more towards HD and move away from SD, obviously more money and emphasis will be on HD and the quality will be better for it. I was recommended this Toshiba.#

http://www.digico.co.uk/model.asp?Detai ... delID=1314

According to the geeks, 480i and 480p processing is some of the best on a HDTV and it handles HD great as well. For those of us that have NTSC consoles and component leads its a great way to bridge the gap. I'm attracted to the 3x HDMI inputs it has as well. That saves me a great deal of money on a HDMI switcher.

I would not recommend a CRT in this day and age, they are too heavy, prone to geometry issues and all sorts. Even if a CRT was to be better quality than a flat panel, it would be in the same sense as a record is to a CD. You have to look after it more, never move it, get it calibrated often etc etc.

I took my XBR450 HDTV (CRT) to the shop 3 times, absolute nightmare.

D · Post by D » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:53 am

Naiera, you are just awesome. Thanks alot. I will probably get that pv60. I figured that sound was ussualy crap through a tv, but my mom doesn't want to connect it to the stereo. Who can blame her, hehe.
Great, thanks for the advice
btw, my friend did get that Hitachi 42PD8600, it's pretty OK. The sound is awful, which shouldn't be a surprise. It's not crackling or humming or hiss, it just sounds annoying, can't explain it. Decent set of features, changing to any of the AV channels is a bit of a hassle.
But the biggest problem with that set and I can't imagine it is NOT a design flaw is that any sound it gets is delayed by half a second. I'm not sure about normal RF tv signals coming in, but for the HDMI, and component inputs anyway and I suspect for other inputs as well.
Let me explain how you can simply test this.
just connect the audio of any device (dvd player/game system) to your hifi system and to your tv at the same time.
You can even just connect the LEFT stereo channel to your tv and the right stereo channel to your hifi system.
With the 42PD8600 there is a BIG delay and I mean BIG. Like about 1/2 a second. At first I thought it was just HDMI, but then also with the component inputs. So stay away from this one or test the audio.
The audio out process is a B******JATCH in itself, check this out:
There are supossedly 3 audio outs. 2 are rca pairs (tullips connectors) and one headphone. One of the rca pairs doesn't even work. the other pair you have to manually select what input device you want your tv to output, so everytime you switch between any source: tv, av1, av2, etc you have manually redirect the sound!!!!!!!!!!
Then there's the headphone jack, this one works the best, but the headphone volume needs to be adjusted separatly in the menu somewhere.
*Sigh*, stay away unless you have some kind of mixing panel you can directly connect all of your sound ouptuts to. Or an amplifier closeby with tons of inputs.
My Sone RP lcd has got great sound features and no delay at all.
With the Hitachi I tried to turn off all kinds of effects, but nothing helped. Maybe this is fixed in new firmware as this is ridiculous. I told my friend to get the panasonic, but he wanted a black tv, and the Hitachi is for the most part black. He also has problems with the HD recorder from Hitachi, so I would advise all fellow shmuppers to perhaps skip Hitachi.
I love Hitachi's brand name and the fact that they made a Saturn, but they f*cked up. The manual translated in Dutch even has some translation errors and there are even misprints in the manual (all languages) Still, to be fair the image quality is pretty good, but the delay is impossible. You'd vommit

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:40 pm

I will probably get that pv60

Just a short notice: the 70 series starts shipping later this month or early april. Nicer design, better panel, better contrast, same price. Surely worth wating a few more weeks.

http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/vier ... index.html

Fudoh

D · Post by D » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:52 pm

They do look the business. I'll ask around when they'll be available. It has that shiny black finish.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:52 am

Yup, the first 70 models should be hitting the streets already. Might be a bit more expensive than a 60 (or then again it might not), and there might be a bit of waiting involved because everybody wants one and Panasonic can't keep up with the demand

Same thing happened when Pioneer launched their seventh generation last year.

With regards to Hitachi... What can I say? Didn't I say it was a good idea to steer clear?

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:05 am

Fudoh wrote: Just a short notice: the 70 series starts shipping later this month or early april. Nicer design, better panel, better contrast, same price. Surely worth wating a few more weeks.

The contrast is the same, actually. Not that any of the sets actually have a 10,000:1 contrast ratio anyway.

D · Post by D » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:48 pm

pv60 vs pv70
999 vs 1150
What will the extra 150 do? I checked on avforums, but nobody compares the two models.
pv60 1024X720
pv70 1024X768
Who can shed some light. I can't stommach making my mom spend an extra 150, I mean I would, but I'm anal about this kind of stuff. If somebody can point me to something that points out how the image has improved I'd be very gratuous.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:21 pm

Most would point to a better design on the new 70 model. Until recently I thought it also had 1080p input over the last generation, but I got a PS3 on saturday and my PX60 does accept 1080p as well.

I'd spend the extra money and get the new model. It may only be slightly better, but slightly better than the previous second best TV on the market isn't bad at all, you know

D · Post by D » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:46 pm

I'm going to order the 37 pv 70 anyday with my moms. Picture looks great. thanks for all the help. I also saw a Pioneer next to it for about 4 times the price. Let me put it to you in this way: it would've been worth it. It looked like I was watching through a window, yet the res. was only 1366X768. Probably the cleanest thing I ever saw. It's a 50" Pioneer costing roughly 4500 euro. Ouch, but worth it.
Question: here in Europe we've had 100 Hz tv sets.
What would happen if you'd feed a 60 signal through those sets? would they refresh at 120 or just at 100 or maybe just 60?
Did the US/Japan have 120 Hz sets?
Just a weird question I've had for a while, just curious.
In the meantime I learned that some kind of weird purple effect bug was fixed in the 70 series. Strange thing is that the older 60 model often sell for more than the newer 70 series. These local retailers in the Netherland here are clueless.

I know that they probably cost more to buy, but it just means their stock's value has lowered and they should dump 'em anyway now ,while it's still possible.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:44 pm

Does anyone make 4:3 LCD/Plasma displays anymore that are 27" (or more) in size? I don't care about resolution, can be 640x480 (480P) for all I care, but 4:3 aspect is important. I'm guessing this would be something very early, or at least not in the consumer markets (maybe more like tradeshows and such). Can't seem to find any on ebay or anywhere else.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:08 pm

D wrote:It looked like I was watching through a window, yet the res. was only 1366X768. Probably the cleanest thing I ever saw. It's a 50" Pioneer costing roughly 4500 euro. Ouch, but worth it.

1366*768 is more than enough on a 50" set, especially if you're three or more meters away from it. For 1920*1080 to be of much use you'd have to be really close to a smaller set to make any use of it. 1080p was created for really, really large displays, 100" projector images and such.

You can get the 50" Pioneer for €3300 here in Denmark btw. Check out some german online stores, or have a look around at other stores where you live, at least, because it really shouldn't be necessary to pay €4500 for it.

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