really bad shmups

overdrive · Post by **overdrive** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:04 am

captain
My guess is simply because you get those pod things on the front and back of your ship. But you're right, gameplay-wise, the only real similarity is that they are both horizontally-scrolling shmups. Curse doesn't require the memorization or precise movements and really (to me) seems to be more of a vertical shmup in the body of a horizontal one.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:58 am

CL@$$!C wrote:Star Soldier for the N64 is pretty damn shitty.

Whoever said to pick it for the hell of playing a shmup on N64 is right though. I can honestly say it's the best shmup i ever played on the N64 (and the worst, and the only ).

You forgot about Dezaemon 3D, the shmup creator for N64. It has some bulit in shmups too. I think it's downright insulting the way you label a shmup that you find poor as the best shmup for the N64. Dezaemon 3D is probably miles better than the N64 Star Soldier.

I have Midway's Arcade Treasures 1 and 2 for GCN and I didn't have a problem with the control of Smash TV or Total Carnage.

visuatrox · Post by **visuatrox** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:05 am

Cho Aniki Seinaru Protein Densetsu

The game may not technically be that bad, but the fact that I paid fullprice (around $60 for it) makes me dislike it even more.

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:32 am

MovingTarget wrote:how far can ou get with one credit? I cant even complete the first level Its some propa fun though

Not very far at all. But great fun.

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:51 am

Oh man, how embarrassing is this. I meant to put Smash TV under the hardest shmup thread. Wrong thread oops. After posting in the above post, I scrolled down to look at the other topics, and I saw the hardest shmup thread, and I said didn't I just posted in that. I have to go post Smash TV there.

Stormwatch is right, great game, not bad at all.

CL@$$!C · Post by **CL@$$!C** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:26 pm

BrianC wrote:
CL@$$!C wrote:Star Soldier for the N64 is pretty damn shitty.

Whoever said to pick it for the hell of playing a shmup on N64 is right though. I can honestly say it's the best shmup i ever played on the N64 (and the worst, and the only ).
You forgot about Dezaemon 3D, the shmup creator for N64. It has some bulit in shmups too. I think it's downright insulting the way you label a shmup that you find poor as the best shmup for the N64. Dezaemon 3D is probably miles better than the N64 Star Soldier.

I have Midway's Arcade Treasures 1 and 2 for GCN and I didn't have a problem with the control of Smash TV or Total Carnage.

Before u criticize me for ''labeling'', I do believe i said Star Soldier was the ONLY N64 shmup i've played. Please read.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:49 pm

BrianC wrote:I have Midway's Arcade Treasures 1 and 2 for GCN and I didn't have a problem with the control of Smash TV or Total Carnage.

its fine, but doesn't feel right on PS twinsticks. its acceptable considering i don't have to buy the cabinet or make some huge controller, but its not the same.

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:00 pm

Strike Gunner [Snes] you need to try It and see for yourself.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:58 pm

CL@$$!C wrote:
BrianC wrote:
CL@$$!C wrote:Star Soldier for the N64 is pretty damn shitty.

Whoever said to pick it for the hell of playing a shmup on N64 is right though. I can honestly say it's the best shmup i ever played on the N64 (and the worst, and the only ).
You forgot about Dezaemon 3D, the shmup creator for N64. It has some bulit in shmups too. I think it's downright insulting the way you label a shmup that you find poor as the best shmup for the N64. Dezaemon 3D is probably miles better than the N64 Star Soldier.

I have Midway's Arcade Treasures 1 and 2 for GCN and I didn't have a problem with the control of Smash TV or Total Carnage.
Before u criticize me for ''labeling'', I do believe i said Star Soldier was the ONLY N64 shmup i've played. Please read.

Sorry about that, but there are cool borderliners like Star Fox 64 and Rogue Squadron that are better to play on N64 if you find the only shmup released in the US to be bad. Actually, I haven't played Star Soldier 64, so I might very well end up liking it, though I would like to know why exactly people say it's bad (though it really doesn't sound like a great shmup, it doesn't sound terribly bad either). I misunderstood what you said. I thought you said it was the only shmup on the N64.

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:09 pm

Specineff wrote:I know it's not a shmup, but last night I fired MAME up and loaded Dogosouken/Victory Road. I can't believe SNK made an effort to make this such a sucky game. Little rocks block your path until you blast them one by one, IMPOSSIBLE bosses after the worm and the ugly face from hell ("Yeah, let's make a boss that follows you when you retreat to the bottom of the screen, and goes up when you try to charge! American man yank hair out of skull! Devious plan much fulfillment of satisfaction bring!"), and limited firepower that can't reach longer than a spat piece of snot. All the while the legions of enemies intent on killing you and raping your corpse.

Ralf and Clark don't deserve such treatment after the great Ikari Warriors. (Dogosouken is the second in the series)

I personally disagree. Victory Road (aka Ikari Warriors 2) was actually a decent game. The arcade version was more difficult than it had to be, but the NES conversion was actually pretty good. I played a lot of that growing up.

Also, I must agree w/ those who liked N2O - I really enjoy that game as well - great for 2 player gaming!

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:30 pm

MovingTarget wrote:On The midway arcade treasures disc for the ps2, one of the creators said he was able to 1cc the entire game. How is that possible!!!

Someone else mentioned this on the old forums as well.

I will never believe it unless I see a video of it. The game is just too chaotic and the last few bosses are just insane.

There is a replay on Marp of someone making it to the level 3 boss on 1 credit. That in itself is incredible. But finishing it ... ? I don't believe it yet.

King Slime · Post by **King Slime** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:01 pm

Shmups of t3h suxnezz:

Alpha Misson
Alpha Mission2
Truxton
R-Type 3 GBA port
Darius Twin
Star Force

Post by **Ghegs** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:54 pm

landshark wrote:
MovingTarget wrote:On The midway arcade treasures disc for the ps2, one of the creators said he was able to 1cc the entire game. How is that possible!!!
Someone else mentioned this on the old forums as well.

I will never believe it unless I see a video of it. The game is just too chaotic and the last few bosses are just insane.

I don't think it's too unbelievable - as the game's programmer he's not only totally familiar with every little nuance and enemy behavior pattern and so forth, he's also played the game for hundreds if not thousands for hours while developing it, and he's of course had all the practice of the later levels and bosses he would need while developing them.

MovingTarget · Post by **MovingTarget** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:05 pm

Would he really lie about it anyway?

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:20 pm

King Slime wrote:Shmups of t3h suxnezz:

Alpha Misson
Alpha Mission2
Truxton

R-Type 3 GBA port
Darius Twin
Star Force

Truxton I dont mind

StarForce I like in a retro way for some reason

CL@$$!C · Post by **CL@$$!C** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:26 am

BrianC wrote:Sorry about that, but there are cool borderliners like Star Fox 64 and Rogue Squadron that are better to play on N64 if you find the only shmup released in the US to be bad. Actually, I haven't played Star Soldier 64, so I might very well end up liking it, though I would like to know why exactly people say it's bad (though it really doesn't sound like a great shmup, it doesn't sound terribly bad either). I misunderstood what you said. I thought you said it was the only shmup on the N64.

No problem.

I would hardly call rogue squadron a borderliner, but i own both Star Fox and Rogue Squadron. Both are good games, especially star fox.

As for Star Soldier, some people do like it...

I find it below average for being slow and easy, and the hit counter (similar to DonPachi's) seems forced and not well implemented. Not to mention the graphics are just hidious. Still, i play it every once in awhile so it must be doing something right...

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:14 am

Insector X for the Genesis is a cool shmup.

Bad Shmups, Very:
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Hani in the Sky (J) - (PCE) Is a shit shmup where you take the role of a flying broom stick missile thing?
Psychic Force - (PCE DUO) Very boring with 8-bit looking graphics & sprites.
Syd Mead's Terraforming - (PCE DUO) Can't get any worse than this. Really.
Bio Metal - (SNES) Horrible animation & gameplay
Fantasy Zone (J) - (PCE) Sucks on any system. But this one looks, sounds & plays worse than the Genesis version. It's just awful!
Rock On (J) - (PCE) Is another bad excuse of a shmup. I can't believe they made games like this!

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:36 am

Specineff wrote:Blazeon on the SNES. Horrible, horrible job by Atlus. Super Earth Defense Force mops the floor with this abomination.

hehe blazeon is fun

i like how the game sometimes trolls along for minutes on end without anything happening onscreen

no enemies, no obstacles.. just your ship and the "starfield" background haha..

i was really dissapointed with "Rezon", a great R-type clone with near identical gameplay/grahis and all.. except they took out the charge shot.. WTF!?! then whats the point of playing

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:23 pm

Truxton is cool.
Heavy Unit (PCE) - Very unplayable, The Genesis version is good though. Was there an arcade version emulated in Mame?

Andro Dunos is real bad aswell. Horrible gameplay.

Saint Dragon on PCE is good. It looks better than the Amiga version is some stages.

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:33 pm

Lol yeah Blaze-0n way too slow and boring for me,

Bio Metal- I want to atleast like It but I cant, The music is terrible.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:43 pm

Most early NES & PCE shmups were horrible.

Post by **Ghegs** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:32 pm

ST Dragon wrote: Heavy Unit (PCE) - Very unplayable, The Genesis version is good though. Was there an arcade version emulated in Mame?

You just suck at it.

The first few minutes are insanely hard until you memorize a safe route, after that it gets more manageable when you get some decent weaponry.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:49 pm

ST Dragon wrote:Saint Dragon on PCE is good. It looks better than the Amiga version is some stages.

i didn't know this was released outside arcade. rock!

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:15 pm

ST Dragon wrote: Fantasy Zone (J) - (PCE) Sucks on any system. But this one looks, sounds & plays worse than the Genesis version. It's just awful!

Fantasy Zone was released in the US for the TG-16 and it's the same game as the Japanese one. It's a port of the arcade game. The Genesis version is a completely different game! Also, Fantasy Zone and Super Fantasy Zone (the Genesis version) are well designed games with good hit detection. Not everyone is into the destroy all big enemies to progress thing, but there is a reason why Fantasy Zone is known as a classic.

CL@$$!C · Post by **CL@$$!C** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:36 pm

I think Fantasy Zone was just released with remade graphics on a collection disk for PS2 or something...

I heard it was one of the few good things on the disk.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:04 pm

CL@$$!C wrote:I think Fantasy Zone was just released with remade graphics on a collection disk for PS2 or something...

I heard it was one of the few good things on the disk.

I have that disc and Fantasy Zone is one of the best remakes in the collection, if not the best, but IMO, all of the remakes on that disc are very good except for the Golden Axe remake. The reviews on it at IGN, Game Informer (magazine), and Gamespot are poorly done. IGN's review is filled with needless filler that contradicts some of the comments made in the very same review. They actually said that most of the SEGA Ages games are and aren't true to the originals in the same review. Gamespot's review is the only review that complains about the control for games other than the Golden Axe remake or Outrun (though I like the control in the Outrun remake). Game Informer basically complains about the graphics and how they are dated, but says the actual gameplay is great and still rates it low anyway.

CL@$$!C · Post by **CL@$$!C** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:45 pm

Do u recommend a purchase? Fantasy Zone is probably my favorite NES shmup. Though, Life Force and Jackal (if that counts) are on par with it.

DazTM · Post by **DazTM** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:50 pm

CL@$$!C wrote:Do u recommend a purchase? Fantasy Zone is probably my favorite NES shmup. Though, Life Force and Jackal (if that counts) are on par with it.

I do mate, I paid £13 for mine and apart from GoldenEye it's a great little collection. I got mine from here http://www.videogamesplus.ca/product_in ... ts_id=8770

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:55 am

CL@$$!C wrote:Do u recommend a purchase? Fantasy Zone is probably my favorite NES shmup. Though, Life Force and Jackal (if that counts) are on par with it.

I recommend it, especially since it's only $19.99 at most places.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:38 am

captain ahar wrote:
ST Dragon wrote:Saint Dragon on PCE is good. It looks better than the Amiga version is some stages.
i didn't know this was released outside arcade. rock!

It was also for Atari ST, Amstrad & Commodore 64.

AMIGA conversion was the best port imo. It had better music & sfx than the arcade version, PCE had better graphics in some stages & AMIGA in some others.

The Space level with the blue nebula looks awesome on the AMIGA & so does level 2. But 1st level looks better on PCE. The bull boss is huge on the PCE.