Why is Raiden Fighters Jet not called Raiden Fighters 3?

D · Post by D » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:58 pm

Silly question about Seibu's naming policy for the beloved Raiden Fighters series.
Does it contain some of the same levels as Raiden Fighters 2?
It has most of the same ships to select I already know.
Level backgrounds? Everything is new right? No levels or bosses from part 1 or 2. Regular enemies might be the same, that wouldn't be that surprising.
What about the music? All different right?
Is Jet to part 2 what part 2 was to part 1?
I wonder if Seiby just named it Jet to be cool or if they recycled some stuff that could make fans scream "...........is the same as in part 2"
I told you it was a dumb question. surely this question must raise eyebrows with other members too.
I can't even think of other examples
SF Zero, was different
Mega man X series were also different.
Jet is really in the same style as part 1 and 2.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:39 pm

Why is Mushihimesama Futari not called Mushihimesama 2?

Why is Dimahoo not called Mahou Daisakusen 3?

Why is Twin Cobra not called Tiger Heli 2?

Why is R-Type Final not called R-Type VI?

Why should anybody gve a fuck?

99pence · Post by **99pence** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:08 pm

I always thought it was a bit like the difference between Metal Slug 2 and X or Raiden 2 and DX.

Perhaps 2 and Jet are more different than I thought. I should really get round to playing them.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:08 pm

CIT wrote:Why should anybody gve a fuck?

End of story.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:21 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
CIT wrote:Why should anybody gve a fuck?
End of story.

I think we have a winner.

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:31 pm

Rude. It's an interesting question.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:48 pm

Perhaps because a series of numbers after games gets old?

Ex Final Fantisy VIIIIXXXIVIVIX

Daigohji · Post by **Daigohji** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:11 pm

Numbers are for the weak.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:37 pm

CIT wrote:Why is Dimahoo not called Mahou Daisakusen 3?

Slapping western numerals on titles is even less pleasing aesthetically in Japan than it is here, I imagine, because stylized kanji look cool (also, puns). Same answer for Mu...whatever-sama.

Looking at it, I realize that it's a Westernized version of the Japanese naming scheme, which makes some sense.

Mahou -> Shippu Mahou -> Dai Mahou
or Mahou -> Hurricane Mahou -> Great Mahou

For comparison, consider the names of some games in the Ghouls 'n Ghost series:

Makaimura -> Daimakaimura -> Choh Makaimura -> Goku Makaimura
Ghosts -> Ghouls -> Super -> Ultimate.

Why is Twin Cobra not called Tiger Heli 2?

Because Twin Cobra is a much better name. Duh!

Why is R-Type Final not called R-Type VI?

Probably because it was marketed as the last gasp of the series (omg get this game or else). I hope that one's a lie.

Gungriffon Geona · Post by **Gungriffon Geona** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:06 pm

why exactly does Gaijin have to a complete ass about pretty much anything he replies to? ya know, giving a decent answer every now and then like upstanding folks definitely wouldn't kill you. (this should go for CIT too, but I doubt he's rude all the time.)

I'll leave it to the others to answer, as I'm not exactly certain of naming schemes myself.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:17 pm

Easy dude, GaijinPunch is pretty much ensconced within a cocoon of Japanese culture, so you'll have to forgive him for not being that enthusiastic (familiarity breeds contempt, as they say).

Also, he's not a bad guy, so whatever. Also, CIT likes Fire Shark, so he's a good guy too. :)

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:20 pm

I remember when i first joined here and it seemed more civilized than other forums. I guess that's why i apparantley have less patience with snarkyness while intoxicated. When are you guys sending me that breathalizer peripheral for the login page?

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:12 pm

D wrote: I can't even think of other examples

Fatal Fury -> Fatal Fury 2 -> Fatal Fury Special
Real Bout Fatal Fury -> Real Bout Fatal Fury Special -> Real Bout Fatal Fury 2

How about you ponder that for awhile?

thegreathopper · Post by **thegreathopper** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:58 pm

Ganelon wrote:
D wrote: I can't even think of other examples
Fatal Fury -> Fatal Fury 2 -> Fatal Fury Special
Real Bout Fatal Fury -> Real Bout Fatal Fury Special -> Real Bout Fatal Fury 2

How about you ponder that for awhile?

You missed a couple

Fatal Fury -> Fatal Fury 2 -> Fatal Fury Special-> Fatal Fury 3
Real Bout Fatal Fury -> Real Bout Fatal Fury Special -> Real Bout Fatal Fury 2-->Garou Mark of the Wolves

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:21 pm

thegreathopper wrote:
Ganelon wrote:
D wrote: I can't even think of other examples
Fatal Fury -> Fatal Fury 2 -> Fatal Fury Special
Real Bout Fatal Fury -> Real Bout Fatal Fury Special -> Real Bout Fatal Fury 2

How about you ponder that for awhile?
You missed a couple

Fatal Fury -> Fatal Fury 2 -> Fatal Fury Special-> Fatal Fury 3
Real Bout Fatal Fury -> Real Bout Fatal Fury Special -> Real Bout Fatal Fury 2-->Garou Mark of the Wolves

What about Japanese titles?

Garou Densetsu -> Garou Densetsu 2 -> Garou Densetsu Special -> Garou Densetsu 3 -> Real Bout Garou Densetsu -> Real Bout Garou Densetsu Special -> Real Bout Garou Densetsu 2 -> Garou Mark of the Wolves

No "Densetsu" for Mark of the Wolves. Very interesting name difference.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:02 pm

thegreathopper wrote: You missed a couple

Fatal Fury -> Fatal Fury 2 -> Fatal Fury Special-> Fatal Fury 3
Real Bout Fatal Fury -> Real Bout Fatal Fury Special -> Real Bout Fatal Fury 2-->Garou Mark of the Wolves

Um, you missed my point. And Wild Ambition (and a couple more if you want to go by non-arcade exclusives).

But since we ventured off-topic, Fatal Fury is actually a JP-accepted substitution for Garou Densetsu. Garou Densetsu 3 is in fact referred to as Fatal Fury 3 on certain screens (such as on the title screen of any home version, US or JP).

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:40 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:
Why is R-Type Final not called R-Type VI?
Probably because it was marketed as the last gasp of the series (omg get this game or else). I hope that one's a lie.

Because R-Type Final is the fifth game in the series chronology? (Leo is a sidestory, so no, it doesn't count.)

OMG, I laid some flamebait!111!One!!11

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:55 pm

It's Chi no Rondo, not Chi no Ronde.
For the love of God, get it right.

Those of you with a bit of history around here will know who and what I refer to. ^_-

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:02 am

I'm thinking Seibu may have just wanted to be a little more creative with this name, just as SNK decided to let Fatal Fury 4 be known as Garou MOTW.

How they came up with "Jet" is a good question. I think the fact that RFJ is broken into a "simulation" and a "real battle" phase could have something to do with it.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:11 am

Ganelon wrote:
thegreathopper wrote: You missed a couple

Fatal Fury -> Fatal Fury 2 -> Fatal Fury Special-> Fatal Fury 3
Real Bout Fatal Fury -> Real Bout Fatal Fury Special -> Real Bout Fatal Fury 2-->Garou Mark of the Wolves
Um, you missed my point. And Wild Ambition (and a couple more if you want to go by non-arcade exclusives).

But since we ventured off-topic, Fatal Fury is actually a JP-accepted substitution for Garou Densetsu. Garou Densetsu 3 is in fact referred to as Fatal Fury 3 on certain screens (such as on the title screen of any home version, US or JP).

I understand that you were pointing out that Fatal Fury doesn't follow the normal sequel pattern. I pointed out the Japanese titles because I feel it makes it even more unconventional, with the Densetsu being left out of the final title.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:12 am

Specineff wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote:
Why is R-Type Final not called R-Type VI?
Probably because it was marketed as the last gasp of the series (omg get this game or else). I hope that one's a lie.
Because R-Type Final is the fifth game in the series chronology? (Leo is a sidestory, so no, it doesn't count.)

OMG, I laid some flamebait!111!One!!11

I see what you did their!

Icarus wrote:It's Chi no Rondo, not Chi no Ronde.
For the love of God, get it right.

Those of you with a bit of history around here will know who and what I refer to. ^_-

Hee hee. Actually, even that might be a slightly off-kilter translation; the official game guide says "Reincarnation of Blood." Rondo sounds nicer (and paves the way for Symphony/Nocturne/Harmony/Aria), but...oh, forget it.

D · Post by D » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:20 am

CIT wrote:Why is Mushihimesama Futari not called Mushihimesama 2?

Why is Dimahoo not called Mahou Daisakusen 3?

Why is Twin Cobra not called Tiger Heli 2?

Agreed, these games are good examples, because they have the exact same style of graphics.

Why is R-Type Final not called R-Type VI?
Disagreed, these games are not good examples, because they don't have the exact same style of graphics.
Why should anybody gve a fuck?[/quote]
Agreed, I had that coming. I'm not offended whatsoever.

The underlying question was offcourse if it is a proper sequel or if some elements were rehashed.

elvis · Post by **elvis** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:30 am

Raiden Fighters, Raiden Fighters 2, Raiden Fighters Jet

World Heroes, World Heroes 2, World Heroes Jet.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY I TELLS YA!!!

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:11 am

Gungriffon Geona wrote:why exactly does Gaijin have to a complete ass about pretty much anything he replies to?

You obviously missed the other thread... it was a pisstake on that. Probably missed a few of my other posts, too. I try to be either informative, or completely pointless w/ some humor thrown in. I'm rarely a dick... at least an unwarranted one.

D · Post by D » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:56 pm

D wrote:The underlying question was offcourse if it is a proper sequel or if some elements were rehashed.

Is there not one boss in Jet that was also in 1 or 2?
Who gives a fuck? I
I actually expected nobody to reply so I'm stil happy I got some repsonses by distracted-from-the-real-question shmembers who haven't actually played through 1,2 and Jet like myself.
At one point I thought that the thread was gonna be locked

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:01 pm

Personally i like questions like this. They focus on the little things - tiny aspects of shmups that make them great. Such as - where the @#$% does Gallop fit into R-Type continuity?!? I'd post a thread like that but then it would just turn out kind of like this one, which really isn't so bad but... ^.^

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:12 pm

Slightly OT, but how do you get rid of the start up counter on RFJ?

Even with F10 that takes a long time to get to zero.

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:19 pm

You gotta wait it out at least once, after that hit tab and reset it - presto. It will save that way, i forgot the file type it creates once it's finished though but it will appear in your Mame root folder so when you update just dont forget to move that file n' stuff n' junk k.

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:08 pm

circuitface wrote:You gotta wait it out at least once, after that hit tab and reset it - presto. It will save that way, i forgot the file type it creates once it's finished though but it will appear in your Mame root folder so when you update just dont forget to move that file n' stuff n' junk k.

Cheers circuitface

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:16 pm

elvis wrote:Raiden Fighters, Raiden Fighters 2, Raiden Fighters Jet

World Heroes, World Heroes 2, World Heroes Jet.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY I TELLS YA!!!

Nah, it's actually 'World Heroes 2 Jet', so the equivalence is sorta lost.

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