Pal Shmups

cdawg4949 · Post by **cdawg4949** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:44 am

I just installed my Swap Magic Lid so I can play Japanese imports. My questions is, the CD states that I can play PAL (50hz) games on my NTSC TV using this swap magic disc. There are a bunch of PAL games that seem cheaper than their japanese counter parts. Are thses worth going for? Are their any PAL games that you guys would suggest? Does this even work well enough to buy PAl games?

sjewkestheloon · Post by **sjewkestheloon** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:17 pm

I have no idea on how or if it will work but the Pal conversion of Psyvariar Complete is good, and so are Dragon Blaze and Homaru. Each of the above also have 60 hz options aswell so i think that if you memorize the button patterns you'll be able to change it.

Don't take my word on this however as i haven't tried it.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:46 pm

Typically if you try 50hz on an NTSC TV you'll get a screen that continually rolls from top to bottom.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:21 pm

Kron wrote:Typically if you try 50hz on an NTSC TV you'll get a screen that continually rolls from top to bottom.

50 or 60hz depends on the system and not the game disc.. for instance if you play some PAL NES games on a US system they will run at higher speed because some games were optimised for the PAL release to run at the same speed as NTSC versions..

as far as PAL vs JAP PSX reccomendations.. lots of great shmups were released in PAL territory, theyre all in english too, but other than that i cant really think of any "superiour" features vs the JAP ones.. i know X2 sucks ass in PAL anyways, maybe its better in JAP?

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:35 pm

sven666 wrote: 50 or 60hz depends on the system and not the game disc.

For (modded) PAL Playstations it does depend on the disc (PAL games make the PS go to 50hz, NTSC games make it switch to 60); the same goes for PS2 PAL releases that don't have a 60hz option.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:51 pm

sven666 wrote: 50 or 60hz depends on the system and not the game disc.. for instance if you play some PAL NES games on a US system they will run at higher speed because some games were optimised for the PAL release to run at the same speed as NTSC versions.

This isn't always the case as Ceph points out, Also the US NES only outputs in 60hz so any PAL NES games that were universal would be forced to run at the higher clock rate thanks to the hardware.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:04 pm

Ceph wrote:
sven666 wrote: 50 or 60hz depends on the system and not the game disc.
For (modded) PAL Playstations it does depend on the disc (PAL games make the PS go to 50hz, NTSC games make it switch to 60); the same goes for PS2 PAL releases that don't have a 60hz option.

really, didnt know that, isnt it possible to force the system to run it at 60hz anyways?

Martinov · Post by **Martinov** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:39 pm

sven666 wrote:
Ceph wrote:
sven666 wrote: 50 or 60hz depends on the system and not the game disc.
For (modded) PAL Playstations it does depend on the disc (PAL games make the PS go to 50hz, NTSC games make it switch to 60); the same goes for PS2 PAL releases that don't have a 60hz option.
really, didnt know that, isnt it possible to force the system to run it at 60hz anyways?

You can use Blaze's Game Accelerator to boost a 50hz game into 60hz, but it doesn't centre the screen correctly, so you usually end up with a border remaining at the top of ther screen and a big chunk at the bottom of the screen cut off.

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in the Pal version of Shikigami no Shiro 2, I'd advise you to get the Japanese release, as the Pal edition not only lacks a 60hz mode but has also been made easier (less durable enemies/simplified bullet patterns).

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:45 pm

I say go for the US version of SnS2. 60hz, and a fantastic comedy dub as well.

PAL Raiden 3 is a solid port that is identical to the Japan release as far as I know. If you can get that cheap then go for it. It's old school, hard as nails and a lot of fun.

Martinov · Post by **Martinov** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:05 pm

Gorecki wrote:I say go for the US version of SnS2. 60hz, and a fantastic comedy dub as well.

Is the US version of Shikigami 2 the same as the Jap release? If so, I agree. Pick up the US edition for the weirdass translation!