Soukyugurentai any differences between the 3 versions?

Lawfer · Post by **Lawfer** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:13 am

2 versions on the Saturn and 1 on Playstation, I am going to get the Playstation version should I go for it? Or pick up 1 of the 2 Saturn version?

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:39 am

Saturn 1st Print => Closest to the Arcade original. Get this if you want the "true" Soukyuugurentai experience.

Saturn 2nd Print => Like the other version but fixed a bug that caused the 1st version to not run properly with an Action Replay import adapter. If that's how you play your Saturn imports, you'll want to get this version. Also has a Battle Garegga demo game but the cover has an ugly rerelease design.

Playstation => Features an extra ship that makes the game considerably easier. Technically not as nice as the Saturn version, with some slowdown, pixelated explosions and some tearing in the backgrounds. I think something about the bomb bonus score was also changed, which is why Playstation and Saturn scores always get separate tables.

J-Manic · Post by **J-Manic** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:25 am

Not to mention that the PSone version has added cut scenes between stages, which are eye-candy; some of the best ones I've seen in a shmup.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:48 am

Yip, that's true. And it has an extra audio track of radio communications. Really got on my nerves after a while though, but you can play Arcade Mode where all the stuff is missing.

I used to own the PS version, but switched to Saturn because I love the game, and thus wanted the smoother version.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:34 pm

And if you want to play the original ST-V version of Soukygurentai, there's that version to play with a portable Supergun or full-sized upright arcade cabinet setup...it plays at a silky smooth arcade framerate of 60 frames-per-second + the ability to play other cool ST-V based shmup titles as well (hint-hint -- the ST-V version of Radiant Silvergun is one shmup title not to be missed, especially with a proper Japanese Bios ST-V motherboard = true three button support indeed!)..... ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:38 pm

IIRC the Otokuyo version also has a bonus sound test menu, in which you can listen to tracks from Mahou Daisakusen, Kingdom Grand Prix, and Garegga...I don't know if the original Saturn release had it too, but the re-release does. I don't think the PS1 version (which also got a re-release, though IIRC it's the same as the original) has it.

LSU · Post by **LSU** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:27 pm

The original Saturn release also has those extra soundtracks from the other Raizing games too. (Can't remember if it's in the game as an actual menu, but it's definitely all there on the CD as redbook audio - I distinctly remember this because I love the Souki music and tried to rip it to listen to, but of course I just got the other games music instead - doh! I really do wish the Souki music was on the game in redbook format, as the OST CD is too rare and prohibitively expensive.)

Honestly though, in this case, don't buy the PlayStation version - the graphics are uglier (backgrounds are lower res and lower colour depth) and the slowdown is *substantially* worse than the Saturn versions. It's absolutely horrible to play if you're used to the Sega version.

lawnspic · Post by **lawnspic** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:36 pm

Saturn ver., playstation ver. is horrible, i have both and was pissed when i played the psx ver.

durias · Post by **durias** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:20 am

CIT wrote:Saturn 1st Print => Closest to the Arcade original. Get this if you want the "true" Soukyuugurentai experience.

Saturn 2nd Print => Like the other version but fixed a bug that caused the 1st version to not run properly with an Action Replay import adapter. If that's how you play your Saturn imports, you'll want to get this version. Also has a Battle Garegga demo game but the cover has an ugly rerelease design.

Can anybody confirm if the 2nd print CIT mentions above is actually called Soukyugurentai Otokuyo?

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:47 am

Can anybody confirm if the 2nd print CIT mentions above is actually called Soukyugurentai Otokuyo?[/quote]

Yep! It says Soukyugurentai Otokuyo on my CD's spine. The cover is also different; it is the original cover shrunk with a white border.

Kami68k · Post by **Kami68k** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:51 am

The PSX Version looks nicer because of the Cut-Scenes and some Voice they added, but gameplay-wise the Saturn Version is better, because it has no slowdowns.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:05 pm

The SS version looks much better than the PS version.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:52 pm

The PS obviously can't do the zooming of layers like Saturn and is missing layers, too. The start sequence is missing, too. In short, it's really ugly. A few (unnecessary) FMVs can't make up for that. Avoid.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:43 pm

What start sequence are you talking about? The one where the fighter flies straight up into the night sky? It's there but only if you play the arcade mode.

LSU · Post by **LSU** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:47 am

Ceph wrote:The PS obviously can't do the zooming of layers like Saturn and is missing layers, too. The start sequence is missing, too. In short, it's really ugly. A few (unnecessary) FMVs can't make up for that. Avoid.

Yep, agree 100% with that. I have both versions, and really only have the PSX version for completeness. The Saturn version looks better (higher bit depth and higher res backgrounds) and also plays better too (much less slowdown). Avoid the PSX port and get the Saturn version - far better on all accounts.

ubersaurus · Post by **ubersaurus** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:22 am

You know I've played the saturn one, and I own the PS1 one, and it doesn't seem THAT bad. Maybe it's godawful for purists, but if you just want to play the game it's a hell of a lot cheaper...at least when I got it.

tassian · Post by **tassian** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:36 am

LSU wrote:I really do wish the Souki music was on the game in redbook format, as the OST CD is too rare and prohibitively expensive.

I wonder if there's any way to extract the audio digitally from the game data.

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:37 am

I got my 1st print off ebay with gunbird for $28 shipped (both mint/complete). Is the psx version all that much cheaper?

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:39 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/Soukyugurentai-Otok ... dZViewItem

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:04 am

tassian wrote: I wonder if there's any way to extract the audio digitally from the game data.

Probably not a convinient way. The audio data is stored as samples-plus-notes. My guess is that some of it uses the FM chip, too (given that I was unable to find some of the bass and bell-like tones in the sample data). It does have a soundtest though.

Also, it (the reprint) comes with tunes from Battle Garegga as CD-audio tracks and more.

tassian · Post by **tassian** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:36 am

It has a soundtest? It's embarrassing but I don't seem to be able to find the soundtest menu in my NTSC-J Saturn version.

EDIT: Found a translation of the Japanese menus on the net. So I found the soundtest.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:05 pm

CIT wrote:What start sequence are you talking about? The one where the fighter flies straight up into the night sky? It's there but only if you play the arcade mode.

I confirm that the PS "arcade mode" has all the stuff from the arcade, intro included. Too bad about the slowdown though...

ubersaurus · Post by **ubersaurus** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:46 pm

Well, when I got the PS version a couple years ago I got it for 20 bucks, vs the Saturn one which was closer to 50 or so.

Looks like the price dropped like mad for that one, though. Ah well, I still think the PS version is fine if you're not a stickler about slowdown.

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Soukyugurentai any differences between the 3 versions?

Soukyugurentai any differences between the 3 versions?

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