Most infuriating cause of death.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:02 am

Now for some clarification.

Invisible bullets is self-explanatory, but something like the background flames of Stages 3 and 5 in Axelay attacking you would also qualify... I guess...

Ricochet bullets (bounce off walls wtf), spirals etc. would fall under bullets that turn.

I'd say bullets that turn, because anything that doesn't go straight kicks my ass, especially those homing things.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:11 am

Getting point-blanked pisses me right off, since in many cases, if you don't KNOW the enemy is going to be there, you're GOING to get trashed if you're in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

I had to go with random mistakes though. They're more my fault than anything, but they're so stupid. I don't know why they angrify me so much, but they do. Perhaps because they're the biggest impedement for 1ccing a game, at least for me. You end up needing that "good run" into the final chapter to be able to 1cc it once you've got everything basically down, yet something stupid ALWAYS comes up, and cripples your chances at the 1cc. That or it's because you die somewhere you never would nromally, and it's just frustrating because you're thinking "come on, I know I can do this part... Where the heck was my brain that I got killed there?"

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:18 am

Tough call...I'd probably say point-blanking (especially in the case of "bastard bullets," as I call them, in which an enemy point-blanks you at the moment it explodes, making the death all the more infuriating), with invisi-bullets a close second (especially since, from a programming perspective, it's incredibly easy to fix). Being blindsided by something (usually from the rear) with no warning would probably be third. None of what you listed are pleasant though, heh heh.

popawell · Post by **popawell** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:30 am

The invisible bullet takes the cake. Gradius III and Gradius Galaxies have this horrid problem at every corner.

Stupid deaths by kissing the walls are a close second though.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:33 am

bullets that go at 0.2mph

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:52 am

Other:

Motherfucking snakes.

What the hell, where's the nosedive button?

Actually, any death is infuriating. My most hated scenario is when I'm going in close to apply point-blank damage (or using a charge attack i.e. Blazing Star) and some goon shoots me as he sails by carefree. Oh well, next time, punk!

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:27 am

In the "Other" category:

-Getting hit by the one leftover bullet after you dodged a big attack
-Not getting out of the way of the boss' Giant Laser O'Doom (TM) in time.

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:57 am

Voted "Other".

Dying because of SDS.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:32 am

Fast bullets, especially if they're caused by ranking too high.

SamIAm · Post by **SamIAm** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:52 am

It never fails to piss me off when I think it's safe to take my hand away from the controls to scratch my chin/shoulder/balls/whatever, and then I regain control right as I'm crashing into a bullet. It's especially my fault when that happens, though, so I voted for being point-blanked.

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:10 pm

Q: Most infuriating cause of death?
A: Thinking about making a sandwich and/or a cup of tea. Mmmm... tea.

1up · Post by **1up** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:10 pm

what is a revenge/suicide bullet?

Is that when an enemy fires off one last bullet before they explode?

Thats what pisses me off every single time

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:16 pm

Suicide bullets are bullets that appear just after an enemy is destroyed, and angle to wherever your ship was at the time. Think Donpachi's second loop.

RotateMe · Post by **RotateMe** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:17 pm

Nice poll, very hard to choose.

I chose fast bullets, i hate those in gb2 and such...

1up · Post by **1up** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:11 pm

JoshF wrote:Suicide bullets are bullets that appear just after an enemy is destroyed, and angle to wherever your ship was at the time. Think Donpachi's second loop.

Voted pointblanked/rammed then

In the dragon blaze tourney session I was furiated when you went in close for a dragon charge shot and some little pecker would shoot you right in the face

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:27 pm

I've voted random mistakes. Yesterday my controller ended up bouncing off the wall after I fired up mame for a blast on ESPrade and lost all three lives on the first level. My only defence is that I was fiercely hungover at the time.

Suicide enemies that swoop in and ram you also get my blood boiling.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:06 pm

Good poll!

Ramming into rows of enemies in Dangun Feveron and being point-blanked.
This is a similar situation to the one 1up mentioned with Dragon Blaze, since both games require you to get close to your enemies if played for score. However, I do not mind that, since the risk/reward potential comes from that.

Running into slow bullets with that fast ship happens more often than being hit by a high-speed bullets actually. Also, my thumb slip around on the d-pad once in a while, resulting in uncontrolled motions, which is the most infuriating death.

@Gorecki, ESPRade is a good example for a shmup that has a weird feeling in controlling it. Running into slow bullets made me really angry in that game; and the weird shaped player character isn´t exactly helping. I still can´t figure out the position of the hitbox...somewhere on the torso? Seeing the hitbox isn´t that hard in DDP.

Also, the lamest deaths ever: Scratching a single bullet in Shikigami, then overdoing it and dying. It´s a boring, unspectacular, frustrating, pointless death. Somehow it doesn´t feel that dumb in Psyvariar.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:22 pm

popawell wrote:The invisible bullet takes the cake. Gradius III and Gradius Galaxies have this horrid problem at every corner.
Stupid deaths by kissing the walls are a close second though.

Gradius Galaxies: Dying by being either too slow or too fast. Speed powerups suck in this game.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:42 pm

Another thing I hate is destructible bullets. You never think they'll hit you because well, you destroy them. When they do kill you though...

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:16 pm

FrederikJurk wrote:Gradius Galaxies: Dying by being either too slow or too fast. Speed powerups suck in this game.

Definitely my least favorite thing about R-Type Leo and Gradius Galaxies/Generation...why the hell do we NEED speed powerups? Sigh...I'd rather have a designed-in speed, or selectable speed, and be done with it.

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:39 pm

Definetly random mistakes. I know alot of games like the back of my hand but can't 1cc them for the life of me just because of forgetfulness, or from my brain having short blank moments after a bout of dodging.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:33 pm

I voted invisible bullets. Nothing makes me angrier that bullets that blend in with the background as well as my own bullets, and suffer from motion induced blindness.

rib · Post by **rib** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:37 pm

i voted "random mistakes" which happens usually because of my "lack of concentration" which i missed in the list.
however in nearly every hori shmup "hit box and collision detection issues" is at the top of my list.

shiftace · Post by **shiftace** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:53 pm

Another vote for other/single stray bullets.

FrederikJurk wrote:Also, the lamest deaths ever: Scratching a single bullet in Shikigami, then overdoing it and dying.

I hate these, too. But what really pisses me off in SnS 2 is the slowdown. Successful grazing creates so many coins, that vanish in a moment, that the game speed becomes completely unpredictable. Basically, I can't move while anything's dying because the slowdown changes from frame to frame; dodging anything is a crapshoot. It's the only game I've found in which turning off wait makes it more playable. FWIW I play (er, played (er, tried to play)) the US PS2 version.

Gungriffon Geona · Post by **Gungriffon Geona** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:20 pm

I am king of random mistakes. though a large portion of the time I hate those "bullet alley" situations in games. you know the ones, where the boss fires the fairly aimed yet very wide spread, or the curved arc spreads. specifically when several waves come out at a time, or when the bullets speed up. that is my major cause of death.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:20 pm

I personally hate fast moving shots. Nothing above 3 or 4 pixels per frame.

ave · Post by **ave** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:25 pm

I've chosen hitbox detections. When I play DDP DOJ and theres a bullet which is maybe one pixel too close and I play, thats just too stupid. Also in ESPGaluda, in Kakusei-Mode, I often get hit because I didn't see where exactly my hitbox is.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:12 am

Most infuriating cause of death

There's one option missing:

(x) Hanging by your own people after you used to be almighty dictator

That's gotta suck

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:26 am

I would defnately say that collision with an enemy craft or some element of the background is the most irritating. I HATE shmups that feel cramped for those reasons.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:32 am

aventus wrote:I've chosen hitbox detections. When I play DDP DOJ and theres a bullet which is maybe one pixel too close and I play, thats just too stupid. Also in ESPGaluda, in Kakusei-Mode, I often get hit because I didn't see where exactly my hitbox is.

Not to mention tiny hitboxes on the bullets, like in Mushi. Remembering your hitbox is one thing, estimating those of the bullets is another story. You can say what you will about Psikyo shmups, but at least the bullets are WYSIWYG.

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