The "how to play TATE on ps2" thread...

Ketsui · Post by **Ketsui** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:28 am

I just ordered Ibara for my jap PS2 and was asking myself how it will be possible to play in tate mode on a normal TV....

he problem is that i have a 16:9 32" Sony CRT and its a little problem to turn it upsidedown you know....

I'll have to buy a dedicated 4:3 CRT? or LCD?

Also, if i dont use TATE mode ill get sidebars on the left and right sides of the screen? But will the 16:9 setup screw up the image?

ReKleSS · Post by **ReKleSS** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:39 am

Yes, you'll have to have bars on the side. The Arika PS2 ports have a 16:9 option, but the Taito ones don't - your TV should have a 4:3 mode (with bars) that makes it look fairly normal.

The final image after all this will be ~10" tall by 7.5" wide. This is about equivalent to a 12.5" screen on its side - you'll probably want to get a nice dedicated CRT.

Ketsui · Post by **Ketsui** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:51 am

mmh i think so

LCD or CRT?

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:06 am

I'm having a problem too:

I'm using a 19" lcd-monitor for tate, one that has a pivot. It can only be rotated 90 degrees CLOCKWISE. For some ungodly reason some PS2 shmups only have a tate option that also rotates the screen CLOCKWISE... so I'm getting an upside down picture. There are no hardware flip buttons or anything in the monitor, and since the signal comes from a PS2 nothing can be done.

I guess there's nothing that can be done to fix this, apart from getting a new tate display?

Can you folks tell me which PS2 shmups have also TATE-L (or whichever was the counter clockwise tate)?

The ones with TATE L and R:

-Mushihimesama
-Ibara

The ones with only TATE R:

-ESPGaluda
-Raiden III

Haven't tested others yet. I think Shiki 2 had both.

Ketsui · Post by **Ketsui** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:17 am

is your lcd 16:9 or 4:3?

do you think its ok to play on a LCD?

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:41 am

Ketsui wrote:is your lcd 16:9 or 4:3?

do you think its ok to play on a LCD?

It's 4:3, so no problems there. I think it's ok, because I'm using a crappy quality PS2 video to VGA converter, which softens the image so that it looks a bit more like an arcade screen than a pixelated LCD. Could be better though, but because of the pivot I can use the same display easily for tate and yoko games if needed.

D · Post by D » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:54 am

Shocky wrote:I'm having a problem too:

I'm using a 19" lcd-monitor for tate, one that has a pivot. It can only be rotated 90 degrees CLOCKWISE. For some ungodly reason some PS2 shmups only have a tate option that also rotates the screen CLOCKWISE... so I'm getting an upside down picture. There are no hardware flip buttons or anything in the monitor, and since the signal comes from a PS2 nothing can be done.

I guess there's nothing that can be done to fix this, apart from getting a new tate display?

Can you folks tell me which PS2 shmups have also TATE-L (or whichever was the counter clockwise tate)?

The ones with TATE L and

-Mushihimesama
-Ibara

The ones with only TATE R:

-ESPGaluda
-Raiden III

Haven't tested others yet. I think Shiki 2 had both.

A possible solution for you.
As we all know some video cards in combination with windows allow you to rotate your desktop. What you could do is just unscrew, remount the lcd so that you can play with tate.
You can adjust the windows screen options to display your normal pc desktop.
Only downside is that the controls are upside down. You could also just set up your windows to work with tate. I have it like that. It's great, but not for games, dvds and also not for having two applications open next to each other. Perhaps even better to mod the turning mechanism to rotate the other way. Perhaps it is just a matter of reversing certain parts.
Good luck.

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:27 pm

D wrote: A possible solution for you.
As we all know some video cards in combination with windows allow you to rotate your desktop. What you could do is just unscrew, remount the lcd so that you can play with tate.
You can adjust the windows screen options to display your normal pc desktop.
Only downside is that the controls are upside down. You could also just set up your windows to work with tate. I have it like that. It's great, but not for games, dvds and also not for having two applications open next to each other. Perhaps even better to mod the turning mechanism to rotate the other way. Perhaps it is just a matter of reversing certain parts.
Good luck.

Thanks for the idea. Remounting the panel could be a clever solution if it seems that Windows can be rotated at will (I think the monitor had a "Magic Rotation" software that would allow 90, 180 and 270 degrees). Anyway I could open the display and see if it can be modded to rotate anti-clockwise. When I get home the poor monitor's gonna get an autopsy!

Ketsui · Post by **Ketsui** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:41 pm

what if i buy a 21" 4:3 LCD monitor?

i'll have to use a VGA switch to connect the ps2? where do i get one?

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:46 pm

I use the styrofoam that came with my LCD monitor as a stand when I TATE the thing. It's ugly, but it supports the monitor by its bottom edge back to the second contour and its stand.

Great for MAME, but I've given up on trying to use it as a display device for my PS2 for the time being.

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:55 pm

Save up the $250-300 you'll need for XRGB-2/3. I spent $120 on a value product which featured undisableable deinterlacing technology, which caused all the transparent effects on DOJ and ESPGaluda to flicker.

Capture card was a joke made of lag and ugly.
Gamebridge was a joke made of lag and ugly.

I haven't tried BNC output cable + BNC to VGA converter, yet. It'd cost $70 to try, going by Fry's Electronics prices. I think I'd need to buy a BNC to headphone adapter as well for the sound.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:33 pm

Hmmm if you put your ps2 on it's side shouldn't the tv display follow?

Ketsui · Post by **Ketsui** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:35 pm

Pixel_Outlaw wrote: Hmmm if you put your ps2 on it's side shouldn't the tv display follow?

ahahha

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:37 pm

Pixel_Outlaw wrote: Hmmm if you put your ps2 on it's side shouldn't the tv display follow?

Of course. But then the controls would be rotated also and the player would have to be sideways ("ghetto-tate").

I didn't make it home yesterday so I still haven't tested if the monitor can be modded. I found another thread where Blade complains about these same issues, and receives suggestions to buy/create a rotating VESA stand. The trouble is, I mainly selected my monitor because of its looks, I wouldn't want to turn it into the Frankenstein's monster of LCD's.

Also, there was some ghosting in the image when I tried the converter. Someone said that cheap vga cables cause this, but I'm using a vga-dvi cable because the monitor only accepts dvi. I'll have to try with another monitor that has native vga and see if the ghosts disperse.

Another question:

I'm planning to buy a 1080p television or video projector soon, what happens if I buy a big tv and play tate games on the television without tateing it, will it show up PS2 games nicely because of the extra resolution or will it be upscaled in some horibble way? What about the video projector?

And people, I know you love listing shmups, so howabout someone listing the PS2 shmups which tate clockwise and those that tate in both directions? So that I know which ones to prioritize. Thanks...

BiQ · Post by **BiQ** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:36 pm

Shocky wrote: Also, there was some ghosting in the image when I tried the converter. Someone said that cheap vga cables cause this, but I'm using a vga-dvi cable because the monitor only accepts dvi. I'll have to try with another monitor that has native vga and see if the ghosts disperse.

I don't remember having these issues but it might be that I am nearly blind about this kind of issues and the monitor was an old crappy CRT (native vga) and I kind of gave up on getting a quality picture out of this setup.

(For other peoples' information, I sold this converter to Shocky)

Another question:

I'm planning to buy a 1080p television or video projector soon, what happens if I buy a big tv and play tate games on the television without tateing it, will it show up PS2 games nicely because of the extra resolution or will it be upscaled in some horibble way? What about the video projector?

For most games, I fear that biggest problem is that in Yoko mode the resolution of the actual playing area is smaller than it should. Because I only used this converter with a crappy 14" crt I never really paid attention if the scaling is any good or not.

And people, I know you love listing shmups, so howabout someone listing the PS2 shmups which tate clockwise and those that tate in both directions? So that I know which ones to prioritize. Thanks...

For one, Dodonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou has tate-r only. (picture turns to right, monitor nees to turn to left)

Ketsui · Post by **Ketsui** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:26 pm

oh btw....today i have been at an arcade...and eery monitor for shmups was longer than wider...
i mean everysingle monitor was like a 16:9

SO why i should buy a 4:3 one?

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Michaelm · Post by **Michaelm** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:47 am

Shocky wrote:I guess there's nothing that can be done to fix this, apart from getting a new tate display?

Just buy a monitor arm that can pivot both ways and you'll be all set.

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:09 am

BiQ wrote: I don't remember having these issues but it might be that I am nearly blind about this kind of issues and the monitor was an old crappy CRT (native vga) and I kind of gave up on getting a quality picture out of this setup.

(For other peoples' information, I sold this converter to Shocky)

Yesterday I remembered that I had a spare 19" crt so I excavated it and plugged it to my PS2 with the vga cable, and whaddaya know, the ghosting was totally gone and the picture was better! So the trouble is either with using a lcd OR the vga to dvi conversion cable which I have to use since my lcd has only a dvi plug.

This is kind of troublesome, because I could use the 19" crt for tate gaming, but I would have to either keep lifting it and turning it for yoko (19" crt = heavy) or I would need a switch box. The catch is that the vga box goes straight into the PS2's non-standard video out, and the only output is vga. To use a tv along with the crt, I would need another converter that converts the vga to composite or s-video and a vga switchbox. I can only imagine how the picture would look like after all those reroutings and conversions

The 19" crt seemed to have component video inputs, could those be any use in solving this? Are there any boxes out there that would accept the composite from PS2 and output component and composite/s-video?

For most games, I fear that biggest problem is that in Yoko mode the resolution of the actual playing area is smaller than it should.

Right, I forgot that... So this problem is going to be with us for some time. Anyone know if there are any tv's or video projectors that can rotate their picture 90 degrees? Most video projectors allow vertical and horizontal flipping for ceiling mounting and rear projection, but what about rotating? Or do I need a separate tate video projector

(yes, at this point it's probably best to consider a real arcade cabinet or at least two PS2's, one dedicated to tate).

Ketsui wrote:oh btw....today i have been at an arcade...and eery monitor for shmups was longer than wider...
i mean everysingle monitor was like a 16:9

SO why i should buy a 4:3 one?

Are you sure they were 16:9? I think it may just be an illusion, because we are so used to yoko screens. Yesterday when I tated my 4:3 crt I could have sworn it was 16:9 in tate. But I guess there are enough experts here to answer this with cold facts...