Battle Garegga VS Battle Bakraid -QUESTIONS

[PPA]

Which one do you prefer? And why?

Which one is more difficult in your opinion?

Which one is more similar to IBARA?

[Icarus]

Which one do you prefer? And why?
Which one is more difficult in your opinion?
Which one is more similar to IBARA?

Answering all three at once: Garegga.

And individually:
1) Garegga, because its perfect.
2) Garegga, because it requires perfect understanding of the game's rank system and scoring methods.
3) Garegga, because Ibara is made by Garegga's head programmer. ^_-

[Twiddle]

Which one do you prefer? And why?
Which one is more difficult in your opinion?
Which one is more similar to IBARA?

1) garegga, because chaining is hard
2) bakraid
3) this one is too easy

[PPA]

Thanks for the replies...
i played both and find that bakraid is more enjoyable...i can see bullets at least!

Music is very good too and the difficulty is pretty average


I thought Bakraid was made by the same time that made Garegga...

[Frederik]

Garegga, Batrider, Bakraid goes the timeline.

I never got this chaining system in Bakraid, and if you watch a superplay of it, you´ll never complain about having to suicide in Garegga again - this guy kills himself on the first boss two times to stop the multiplier counter from running out and gets FIVE extends right at the beginning on the seconds stage because of the x64 multiplier on the boss. They are just raining down on him. I haven´t counted the number of times he kills himself in that replay, but its at least 20 times or so.

And if you already played those two games, you OWE it to yourself to play Batrider. This game is a real gem, with a huge ship selection and lots of stuff to do. A very tricky shooter, with one of the best graphics I´ve ever seen in a shmup, great soundtrack and bosses that makes you pee your pants.

Oh, and make sure to unlock all the hidden ships in each game, this might help:

http://www.world-of-arcades.net/

The Flame Viper in Bakraid with its flame thrower is a particular favourite of mine, as well as the Garegga ships in Batrider, and playing as Gain with his huge swords in both Garegga and Batrider. Good times.

[PPA]

great reply!


For now ill stick with bakraid, i find it realy fun!

I'll give a shot at Batrider for sure!

[Pirate1019]

Although nowhere near an expert on the subject, I prefer Garegga to Bakaraid. Bakaraid's chaining system doesn't feel natural to me. Only being able to chain certain enemies and absolutely needing to suicide to keep you chain going.

I'll tell you what though.

Batrider > Garegga/Bakaraid

[gameoverDude]

Chaining is essential in Bakraid if you want to see 100,000 point medals. If there's any multiplier going, you'll be seeing these instead of the usual 10000's.

I like them both as well as the other. Garegga may be harder to all clear, but catching the top player in Bakraid is likely more of a challenge.

Garegga would be more similar to Ibara, since they both don't have chaining. One new feature in Ibara is that you must have the screen cleared of the current value of medals before you can go to the next, like Raiden Fighters. If you have 3 1000s laying about, just grabbing one of them is not enough to start making 2000s appear. No 1000s can be around, period.

[BulletMagnet]

Bakraid is more accessible to get started on, thanks to the more visible bullets and the fact that you don't have to play for score just to clear the thing, so you can start working in sacrificing bombs and lives bit by bit as you get more familiar with the game. Once/if you start playing at a high level it takes a lot of practice to score well.

Garegga's got its infamously complicated rank system to factor into everything else that's going on, but once you've studied it (shameless plug!) and understand how it works the game becomes a good deal less intimidating. The play style it requires is unorthodox and the invisi-bullets are a pain (though you do get somewhat used to them the more you play), but if you stick with the game you'll come to appreciate it more. It's also the only one of the two that got a home port (an excellent one too), if that matters.

[Gungriffon Geona]

I'll tell you what though.

Batrider > Garegga/Bakaraid

Yes. not just because it's fun as all hell, but because you can't do this in Garegga or Bakraid:

[dial911]

Which one do you prefer? And why?

Which one is more difficult in your opinion?

Which one is more similar to IBARA?

1) Garegga without a doubt... the music is top tier, the level layouts are flawless, and the Saturn port is arguably better then the arcade PCB.
2) Garegga, for the same reasons Icarus lists (second post)
3) Garegga

[Icarus]

IMMA CHARGIN' MY LASER?

[Twiddle]

except in his case it would be MIND BULLETS

[Frederik]

I don´t get this one.

[BBH]

I don´t get this one.

I think it's the usual unfunny 4chan shit. Don't worry about it.

[Rastan78]

These games are really a lot more dissimilar than it seems at first glance. Playing Garegga for score and Bakraid for score is worlds apart with the similarities between them being pretty superficial. The main guys responsible for Garegga are from the Mahou Daisakusen games with Yagawa only working as one of two main programmers (not directing the overall game design). With Bakraid Yagawa was in control of everything working with none of the other staff from Garegga.

Garegga=longer, more old school gameplay, slower paced, epic/serious feeling
suiciding is used mainly for rank control

Bakraid=shorter, extremely fast, intense and frustrating while playing for score
suiciding is used mainly for chain timer stalling

[Gungriffon Geona]

I don´t get this one.

I think it's the usual unfunny 4chan shit. Don't worry about it.

Unfunny? this is a comedic goldmine here! a meme actually fits on-topic for once.
Anyway, it's a gag about Cell from DBZ. somone took a screenshot and painted the lips red and crazied the eyes. I'm not sure whether "Shoop Da Woop" or "Imma Chargin' Mah Lazer!" came first as the phrase that goes with it though. It later turned into just some random african-american shooting lasers from his mouth for no real reason. but it's still incredibly funny no matter how you look at it.
But NOW this is off-topic. so let's not discuss it more.

[zaphod]

) Battle Bakraid. because yo don't have to play ti for score to 1cc it. And it can be no miss cleared by mortals.

2) Garegga is harder to clear. a LOT harder to clear. But Bakraid is ahrder to score on. It's more anal the DDP:DoJ!

3) garegga, of course.

[Soldato J]

I don´t get this one.

I think it's the usual unfunny 4chan shit. Don't worry about it.

Unfunny? this is a comedic goldmine here! a meme actually fits on-topic for once.
Anyway, it's a gag about Cell from DBZ. somone took a screenshot and painted the lips red and crazied the eyes. I'm not sure whether "Shoop Da Woop" or "Imma Chargin' Mah Lazer!" came first as the phrase that goes with it though. It later turned into just some random african-american shooting lasers from his mouth for no real reason. but it's still incredibly funny no matter how you look at it.
But NOW this is off-topic. so let's not discuss it more.

I thought it referred to Wonder Boy, and it was still funny to me

[Zeether]

Bakraid doesn't have invisible bullets...but I seem to die MORE in Bakraid then Garegga...maybe because the hitbox isn't as small as Cave or Touhou..

[BulletMagnet]

Yeah, I don't think any Raizing hitbox ever got quite that small, but Bakraid's hitboxes always seemed a ways smaller to me than Garegga's. Maybe someone could hack the ROM someday to confirm/disprove this...

[Icarus]

You do know you don't need to hack the ROM to find out hitbox sizes, right?
Thought you would have learned something new from that thread in Strategy by now.



FYI, the hitboxes appear to be identical in size to Garegga's regular-sized hit areas. Also, this Character Test is available for Garegga and Batrider, and I'd expect Ibara too (although I haven't delved into Ibara's Service Mode for a while).

[BulletMagnet]

You do know you don't need to hack the ROM to find out hitbox sizes, right?
Thought you would have learned something new from that thread in Strategy by now.

I don't even bother with all the MAME wizardry...playing the game right is already too much, heh heh.

FYI, the hitboxes appear to be identical in size to Garegga's regular-sized hit areas.

I must need to get my eyes checked or something...even if you compare it to a "small" hitbox from Garegga, as posted in another thread...



Unless I'm going completely batty, the Saber Tiger hitbox displayed in the pic posted above is a relatively compact square (or a very slight rectangle), closer to something out of DDP, as opposed to the Golden Bat's longer, bulkier pseudo-rectangle. The "regular" hitbox is a bit bigger than that.

Am I missing something?

[zaphod]

Actually Battle Bakraid does have bullets that disappear sometimes, but only on real hardware, not in MAME. (!)

[Herr Schatten]

Unless I'm going completely batty, the Saber Tiger hitbox displayed in the pic posted above is a relatively compact square (or a very slight rectangle), closer to something out of DDP, as opposed to the Golden Bat's longer, bulkier pseudo-rectangle. The "regular" hitbox is a bit bigger than that.

Am I missing something?

You've got to count the pixels. The Saber Tiger's hitbox is 8x10, the Golden Bat's is 6x10 (not counting the one or two pixels that protrude from the hitbox rectangle at the front or at the back), so the difference is quite negligible.

What I find more interesting is that the hitbox in Bakraid, as shown in the picture, is actually in the horizontal middle of the ship. Seems Raizing were able to find ways of improving on the "perfect" formula of Garegga after all.

[BulletMagnet]

I've got to be committed or something...Bakraid's hitboxes always felt smaller to me. I feel like I'm in some extra-nerdy version of A Beautiful Mind or something..."You're not real! You're not real!"

[Rastan78]

What I find more interesting is that the hitbox in Bakraid, as shown in the picture, is actually in the horizontal middle of the ship. Seems Raizing were able to find ways of improving on the "perfect" formula of Garegga after all.

Not true for all ships in Bakraid. You'll notice a little greyish cockpit area that looks identical on each ship. That's the hitbox. If you look at a ship like the Solid Ray, it's really far up towards the nose.