STGT 2k6- Week #6 Poll (Cave Week)

[mulletgeezer]

Progear needs at least three more votes before it's safe.

Even then, the teams that are holding the votes until the last minute(Namakoteam) could make guwange pull through couldn't they?

This is all the more reason it should be a private vote.

Sorta like holding out your scores to the last minute - kinda pansy'sh as it prevents steeper competition.

I pretty much agree with the bit about holding back scores even though i'm on a team that does this. Maybe next year everyone can agree to avoid doing this kind of thing.

I think there's a problem with the playing week ending at midday Monday instead of midnight Sunday though - most players on this forum are based either in europe or north america, and like most europeans i the latest i can keep playing is around midnight - 1am, quite a few hours before the end of the week and then i have to retire for the evening and get up the following day for work. Many american players have the opportunity to keep playing for several hours and try to beat our scores, which is unfair.

[sven666]

guwangeX500
That wasn't a vote, by the way.

sorry icaurus but its borderline pathetic.. it was a little funny for the first game in the first week but not anymore.

trying to read thru the poll and make sense of it has become impossible..

[mulletgeezer]

aaargh! Sven, you widened the page!


i don't know what you're unhappy about, Icarus hasn't pushed for Guwange much at all, i've mentioned it more times i think. Also that propaganda pic is really funny. namakoteam is happy to play almost any of the games on offer here, though we do have some reservations about 2 of them, neither have which has any chance of winning now.

[sven666]

its an indication to the lot of you.. icarus just has the most extravagant display.

ugh.. i think im gonna take a break from shmups after the tournament is over

[CIT]

Has somebody been keeping track of this poll? What does the current vote breakdown look like?

[Icarus]

sorry icaurus but its borderline pathetic.. it was a little funny for the first game in the first week but not anymore.

trying to read thru the poll and make sense of it has become impossible..

What the fuck are you smoking?
Can you not take a tongue-in-cheek joke at all?
Some people around here take shit far too seriously, and need to pull their heads out of their arses and smell the fresh air.
If I knew you lot were going to get all bitchy about it I wouldn't have bothered posting it. I thought it'd get a smile at least, but seeing as most of you are a bunch of fucking cranks I realise now that it was a waste of time.

[mulletgeezer]

Has somebody been keeping track of this poll? What does the current vote breakdown look like?

i'm interested to know this too so i added it up from Rob's last tally. I think it's:

DonPachi: 10
Guwange: 11
Progear: 15
Feveron: 4
Esprade: 3

[CIT]

Thanks!

In that case I vote:

PROGEAR

[howmuchkeefe]

What drama!

This is all the more reason it should be a private vote.

Sorta like holding out your scores to the last minute-
kinda pansy'sh as it prevents steeper competition.

One man's cheese is another man's strategy, I suppose.

I agree that a private poll would have been less stressful for
all involved and it would have made premature practicing more
of a gamble.

[mulletgeezer]

it's weird how many european players have voted for Progear. it's won just over a third of the votes so far but about 90% of the voters i know to be from europe have voted for the game, though as i remember in last year's top 25 shmups vote it came lower down the table than at least 2 of the other games here. maybe it has some special euro-friendly appeal. or maybe not.

[Ghegs]

URGH. Edited the post that made the page wonky.


Also, vote: Donpachi.

[DJ Incompetent]

bitch,bitch,bitch, "unfair", bitch bitch bitch, "private vote"

1. We'll be back to the PM Inbox filling up problem
2. We wouldn't have this festival of lawls
3. goto * people can still ebay-sniper-vote the vote holdouts. 'Doesn't take any real effort.
4. vote holdouts detract people from playing early, which was kinda the big flaw of the public vote.

I say things are working from a fun and fair standpoint

Christ, if you know people are campaigning for a game and they haven't voted yet. Just add 5 +-1 to what the vote stats look like already. If any team or parts of teams are holding out for the same reason, cloak & dagger efforts could get offset anyway. Vote tactics could still backfire yet.

All I hear is "Waaaah! I'm not sure what game to practice early!!" *

Weak, guys...take two and call me in the morning..



@Ghegs

THANKS!


@Icarus

Never stop P-Shoppin'. Never stop pic-postin'. That's an order.

I miss _Bnu's work...

[Rob]

Many american players have the opportunity to keep playing for several hours and try to beat our scores, which is unfair.

lol. When does the contest start again? It is nice to have much of the chart's playing time up with 5 or so hours left. Sometimes.

(Two people on my team still haven't voted. Uh oh, I said "my"! )

[BulletMagnet]

I miss _Bnu's work...

Yeah, where the heck DID he go...Team Loser/Apes/Heaven Knows What needs him now!

[DarkWolf7]

I guess it's time for me to vote, then:

Guwange

[howmuchkeefe]

All I hear is "Waaaah! I'm not sure what game to practice early!!" *

That's funny, because mostly I've heard "Guwange" with subtexts of "Guwange" and a little bit of contrapuntal "Guwange" going on in the background.

[DJ Incompetent]

All I hear is "Waaaah! I'm not sure what game to practice early!!" *

That's funny, because mostly I've heard "Guwange" with subtexts of "Guwange" and a little bit of contrapuntal "Guwange" going on in the background.

Guwange: 12
Progear: 16

suspect [tons of unnecessary highlighting]namakoteam's[/tons of unnecessary highlighting] +5-ish=
Guwange: 17
Progear: 16

Barking Guwange the most doesn't make it the winner. Not yet.

[mulletgeezer]

Many american players have the opportunity to keep playing for several hours and try to beat our scores, which is unfair.

lol. When does the contest start again? It is nice to have much of the chart's playing time up with 5 or so hours left. Sometimes.

(Two people on my team still haven't voted. Uh oh, I said "my"! )

I'm not trying to get the rules changed or anything, i'm just very conscious of this flaw now we're reaching the end of the contest. I'll just have to hold my score back until the very last minute this time I guess. As i remember the end of the week was originally midnight Sunday and then got changed during the first week after somebody complained for some reason.

It's definitely your team, Rob, and every member of it is your bitch. Surely you can get Twe to invalidate his vote or something?

[Davey]

1. We'll be back to the PM Inbox filling up problem
2. We wouldn't have this festival of lawls
3. goto * people can still ebay-sniper-vote the vote holdouts. 'Doesn't take any real effort.
4. vote holdouts detract people from playing early, which was kinda the big flaw of the public vote.

I say things are working from a fun and fair standpoint

1. The PM problem is purely logistical, I'm sure some other method would work.
2. The lawl festival must have passed right through here. Man this town sucks.
3. Mostly true, except people are busy and may be doing something else at the last minute, and therefore have to vote earlier.
4. Private voting does an even better job of this.

But I think the biggest drawback of public voting is that people don't always vote for what they want, they vote against what they don't want. This can skew the results, kind of like how public opinion polls affect real elections.

Doesn't bother me too much though, because nothing I vote for is popular enough to win regardless of the voting methodology.

[Rob]

Surely you can get Twe to invalidate his vote or something?

Haha. Twe, please, for the team, change your vote to Dangun Feveron.

...to PMs.

[howmuchkeefe]

My problem isn't with Guwange, which is an excellent game (every game in the running is strong; the good thing about Cave week is that no matter which game wins, it's going to be more fun than Blazing Star). It's the possibility of one team (or whoever's... paranoid? enough to read the dynamics) "knowing" which game to practice, while the other teams do not.

I believe a private poll would have made it much more difficult to make such predictions.

Also, I feel that a private poll would have enabled people to vote their conscience without offending their teammates or suffering the fear of public ridicule (say, should they vote for something like DonPachi or ESPrade).

I reject the argument that this forum's PM system made such a poll impractical on the grounds that you can open up an email account with yahoo, lycos, excite, msn, gmail and so on in about five to seven minutes. You never have to use it again.

As upopular as whining is, it can sometimes indicate the existence of a problem.

EDIT: ...well, it IS the final week. I guess all the above is something for whoever's masochistic enough to run this contest next year to think about.

[Rob]

I believe a private poll would have made it much more difficult to make such predictions.

Also, I feel that a private poll would have enabled people to vote their conscience without offending their teammates or suffering the fear of public ridicule (say, should they vote for something like DonPachi or ESPrade).

I'll say it again, games should be predecided. The idea that this will create more drama is unfounded. I think people are more likely to complain if they were given a choice of something they much prefer and ended up stuck with a game they only somewhat like/dislike (with the understanding that the person selecting the games tries to pick something few have mastered, most will enjoy - makes it much easier than trying to select a group of 4-5 that match that a week). Teams wouldn't have to waste time PM'ing each other, or strategizing, or deciding a game everyone wants to play, or a laborious PM/e-mail voting procedure, etc. It's all around better.

[howmuchkeefe]

I'll say it again, games should be predecided. Teams wouldn't have to waste time PM'ing each other, or strategizing, or deciding a game everyone wants to play, or a laborious PM/e-mail voting procedure, etc. It's all around better.

True. It worked well enough on Iron Chef.

[mulletgeezer]

I think the voting method has been spot on, for the reasons DJI mentioned. Watching/bitching/attempting to predict the vote has been fun, and anyone who doesn't care for it can just cast their vote and ignore the bullshit. I suppose we should try something different next time though, just for the sake of variety.

[The Coop]

Also, I feel that a private poll would have enabled people to vote their conscience without offending their teammates or suffering the fear of public ridicule (say, should they vote for something like DonPachi or ESPrade).

Public ridicule? Fuck 'em if they don't like what you pick

I enjoy DonPachi, and if others don't, oh well. I may not be that great at it, but I like it. As such, I voted for what I want to play, not for what's popular or what everyone else is voting for. I honestly hope everyone's doing the same, and not letting the opinions of others get in the way of voting for their preference. I mean, not voting for a game because of someone else's dislike for it, is like voting for a game just because your teammates did... it makes little sense. The only concern that should be on anyone's mind is what game nominee THEY want to play... not what game everyone else wants to.

So I say keep the vote public. Let the votes fly freely. If someone wants to piss up a storm, let them. Their temper tantrums on-line aren't going to hurt you, so just blow them off and vote

[Davey]

Watching/bitching/attempting to predict the vote has been fun, and anyone who doesn't care for it can just cast their vote and ignore the bullshit.

Yes, but by ignoring the bullshit and voting early you make a less informed vote. You could end up throwing your vote away on a game that has no chance of winning. I do this voluntarily every week because I don't really care, but it's still a flaw in the system.

All this voting fuckery just seems too manipulative and political. I'd rather leave the game playing, well, in the games themselves.

Then again, my team has been out of the running for quite some time, so maybe it's different for people on the more competitive teams.


And Rob, who might this benevolent dictator be?

[Insert joke about dictator voting process here]

[Rob]

is like voting for a game just because your teammates did... it makes little sense.

Mind, boggled.

And Rob, who might this benevolent dictator be?

They should go... unnamed.

[EOJ]

Public ridicule? Fuck 'em if they don't like what you pick

...I voted for what I want to play, not for what's popular or what everyone else is voting for. I honestly hope everyone's doing the same, and not letting the opinions of others get in the way of voting for their preference. I mean, not voting for a game because of someone else's dislike for it, is like voting for a game just because your teammates did... it makes little sense. The only concern that should be on anyone's mind is what game nominee THEY want to play... not what game everyone else wants to.

My thoughts exactly. I look forward to playing Progear.

[Rob]

My thoughts exactly. I look forward to playing Progear.

You could've voted Guwange and played any Cave game you want, like the first five weeks!

[EOJ]

I'd rather play progear, thanks.