Any non-nerdy shmups? Or just a "nerdy" genre?

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:25 pm

Rando wrote;

True nerdism, as proven by STs, lies in spending hours on how to get big scores. Casual shmupping is still somewhat sane

^So, in essence, you're saying that Bulletmagnet was right.

ie. His casual style Vs Your otaku style.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:49 pm

For the love of Pete, DEL, don't bring me into this, you know nothing good can come of it!

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:16 pm

Yes. Ehr, no. About what? At any case, ban plz!

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:44 pm

The guys who can clear both loops of DOJ are a right bunch of nerdish looking smedricks. The guys like me, who can't even get on the highscore table of Dangun Feveron, are the epitome of cool. At least, this is what I tell myself every time bastard level 3 eats me for breakfast.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:03 pm

Yeah, this got confuggled. I should probably subdivide terms again or something.

I was talking about "cool" and "nerdy" in terms or real world circumstances. The answer I was hoping to get out of the topic is when I'm chillin' with a bunch of people in a room who don't do crap for computers and don't do crap for games and that group is big enough so not everybody needs to be involved in the same conversation over some beers, say I wanna put my beer on the table and fire up a solid shooter while adding my conversation two-cents intermittently. What shooters are most recommended/possible to do that so my casual playing and talking to the surrounding shindig goes unnoticed.

-If one chooses the right game, I drink my beer, add a joke or two, and get to stage 1-3 and the conversation's still going.
-If one chooses the wrong game, conversation stops and 1-3 people exclaim "what the hell are you playing?!" Then one's last chance to save the preexisting conversation will be made or broken (and include an implied rep-hit) with your one-sentence answer with a proper delivery.

So Dandy J says Ketsui.
I'd say maybe, if the anime portrait stuff didn't come up anywhere mid-game or stage clear and the title screen.
Dandy J says Guwange.
FrederikJurk's avatar says I'd think not.

So I guess what I'm getting at is what shooters can I get away with playing if I were chillin' with the Madden, GTA, or Halo crowds as examples. What shmups are cool in the real world. What shmups are "Real World Cool" where 90% of others are "Real World Nerdy."

So we can quasi-acronym by sayin' RWcool and RWnerdy...or something...

What went down in 2/3rds of this thread here are more of the internet-only aspect of what's cool and nerdy. A subculture-esq labeling method of its own which is why people are probably getting confused. In the real world, spending every fri and sat night at clubs and concerts is considered* "cool" while having an online account to anywhere 'cept myspace (Bebo?), YouTube, and facebook is considered* "nerdy"

But in terms of talkin' online only, then you start hearing classifications like general blow-shit-up shmupping is "cool" and over-the-top scoring perfections, exploitation, and strategy contribution is "nerdy"; the shmup genre is "cool" and MMOs are "nerdy"; flash movie sites are "cool" and fanfictions are "nerdy"; spongin' the moves on scoring mechanics is "cool" and memorizing WoW handbooks is "nerdy"

Randorama wrote:I also usually beat the shit out of anyone who dares to question study of gameplay mechanics if he knows all WoW handbooks by heart (last case: Saturday).
You should also do the same, by the way

Classic and accurate. Hell yes

Anyway, in these cases, I'd call this subculture thing somethin' like "Online Cool" and "Online Nerdy" or OLcool and OLnerdy.

*by the usual un-fully-educated suspects (read: by general opinion)

So I dunno if that narrowcasts anything, but what are the RWnon-nerdy shmups I can get away with playing around any group of friends I choose?

Edit: False alarm. Gotta save the pic though

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:12 pm

I think Rando's avatar needs to be shopped onto a pic of a Sith Lord.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:30 pm

DJ Incompetent wrote: So I guess what I'm getting at is what shooters can I get away with playing if I were chillin' with the Madden, GTA, or Halo crowds as examples. What shmups are cool in the real world. What shmups are "Real World Cool" where 90% of others are "Real World Nerdy."

Something abstract and not really a shooter, like Rez. Maybe go with lightgun, like Crisis Zone. Then move your way slowly to Gunbird 2, so slow that they don't notice the transition.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:56 am

Perhaps what you're looking for, DJ, is Zero Gunner 2 and Under Defeat. Those games look cool, and you can play them on the coolest system, the DC.

In my class with first-year students earlier this semester, I was talking about the DC, and some students laughed and one person said "The Dreamcast sucks." I loved being the only one there who knew just how wrong that statement is. I felt very cool, in a nerdy kind of way.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:14 am

Rob wrote:Something abstract and not really a shooter, like Rez. Maybe go with lightgun, like Crisis Zone. Then move your way slowly to Gunbird 2, so slow that they don't notice the transition.

haha, nice

For the record, the American populace are fine with Rez. Girls do enjoy watching it. They say they like "the pulsing." Just steer clear of the guys who make an explicit point to say they really really hate house music. They tend to throw tantrums. But the kind everybody in the room will rip on them hard for.

(anything) needs to be shopped onto a pic of a Sith Lord.

played out

professor ganson wrote:Perhaps what you're looking for, DJ, is Zero Gunner 2 and Under Defeat. Those games look cool, and you can play them on the coolest system, the DC.

:idea: Helicopter shmups! Damn. What a simple concrete solution to a two-page thread. haha, I even ran with Tiger Heli once in awhile in-passing and didn't think twice about it.

I wonder if those games ever got off the Dreamcast if they really had a chance in established console sales. That Strike series (Jungle, Soviet, Nuclear) went on for awhile. Maybe helicopters are just out of style right now.

wow. Um...dunno what to say. professor ganson wins the thread!

Too bad it can't go down for the last tourney weeks though..unless anybody's bold enough to nominate Mr. Heli

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:59 am

If one had to be nerdier than the other I'd have to say the hentai ones or the ones that are borderline hentai....

But I like Ibara

What have I become!!!

It's ok though I still hate Devine Sealing.

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:43 am

It's sad but true, 99% of shmups are totally nerdy.

The ones that aren't:

Under Defeat
Gun.Smoke

Edit: Sorry, forgot Zero Gunner 2.
Edit 2: And Thunder Blade, except now the only ones who would play such an outdated looking game are the nerds.. hmm...

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:23 am

It's a tad impossible to put a shmup on while being with Madden-like people and not look nerdy. A general rule of thumb is that average Joe doesn't like to think in public, so he usually plays things he knows already (football simulations=knowledge borrowed from football) and goes immediately to action. Anything realistic may hit the eye-candy factor ("Damn, you're taking down a whole ship with your copter!") So it may divert the attention. Putting a game and playing well may also grant peace of mind ("yeah, it's an hard game, but i'm harder, you know?").

In general, you need to know your crowd before putting something on. RWcool is all about trying to be thug/edgy/extreme!, so anything that can be
mistaken as such may fit the bill. Alternatively, have a baseball bat ready

Davey · Post by **Davey** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:13 pm

This is turning into another "what would bring shmups into the mainstream?" thread.

The final conclusion usually ends up being this: water them down or change them so much that they suck and/or are no longer really shmups.

Sorry.

Shmups are such introverted games anyway, I think keeping them separated from one's social life is inevitable (and desirable?) in most cases.

CHI · Post by **CHI** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:28 am

Shocky wrote:And Thunder Blade, except now the only ones who would play such an outdated looking game are the nerds.. hmm...

ok so now ive become a nerd.....

whoevers interested, please take this test (if your not a nerd..... but if you are a nerd, STILL take this test, see how nerdy you are.....

)
http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html

personally i think its cool to play the old classics (the plain and simple ones, not worrying about the score but trying to get to the furthest) in a room with friends who are chilling and chatting away..... still have time to reply..... and grab yourself a beer from the fridge.....

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:39 am

CHI - According to the Innergeek Test, Nerdyness starts at 9% & above.
You scored 6.9%, I scored 4.14% and it described me as a 'poser'

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btw - LU's looking good with her AK47! I might just have to get a shot of ROM with her Uzi.

Regs, DEL

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:26 pm

Street Fighter 2 is still cool

Something arcade that everyone can enjoy

Not shmups though

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:47 pm

You'd think just posting on a videogame-centric website is enough to qualify people as nerdy.
OH SHI~

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:54 pm

DEL wrote:CHI - According to the Innergeek Test, Nerdyness starts at 9% & above.
You scored 6.9%, I scored 4.14% and it described me as a 'poser'

Wimps. 23.66864% ftw.

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:16 pm

3.1 and I'm a poser.

And there is no way watching star wars more than twice is geeky.

Davey · Post by **Davey** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:18 pm

CHI wrote:personally i think its cool to play the old classics (the plain and simple ones, not worrying about the score but trying to get to the furthest) in a room with friends who are chilling and chatting away..... still have time to reply..... and grab yourself a beer from the fridge.....

In my experience, this only works if people have a nostalgic tie to the game. Non-nerds don't really care about hidden gems from 20 years ago (or any number of years ago, really).

ParegoricKid · Post by **ParegoricKid** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:11 pm

CHI wrote:
whoevers interested, please take this test (if your not a nerd..... but if you are a nerd, STILL take this test, see how nerdy you are..... )
http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html

Nice link CHI, this "test" has at least some funny and kinda revealing questions.

Even more stupid and needless than all the stereotypes for people are these tests you find nowadays in every mag you open.
Of course it takes a genius to figure them tests out so one can twist and manipulate the outcome, respectively everyones average assholes subconscioussness will most likely lead them to do so anyway; I came to hear people to discuss their test score as if it means actually something. My own sis likes them stupid love/dating tests like what type of lover fits you or some shit like that.

What can I say...mundus vult decipi...I guess.

Pirate1019 · Post by **Pirate1019** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:09 am

11.83432% - Geekish Tendencies

You'd be surprised how many of the options I couldn't check due to lack of finances. Building a computer? Hell yes. Collecting old consoles? Hell yes. Roleplay? Not really, but I think you get the point.

shmups.system11.org

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