Thanks for the info, lmn4096.lmn4096 wrote:I just received today my Raiden Fighters DVD compil from Tanomi.com included with RaidenIII DVD bonus
from first look, the background is blend, no more cows, and I don't see debris flying and touching the ground with impact like in old Raiden...
How can they take out a visual element that gave the series so much character?
Absolutely, they do!chtimi wrote:but do 2D animators still exist at all outside of Cave and SNK
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forgot about thatthunderforce wrote:Absolutely, they do!
Which lies in gameplay, the most hilarious part of your comment (in a benign sense, sorry if it sounds even vaguely offensive) is that the first game had very generic and doujin-like graphics,but created a new style out of the '80s Toaplan games. However, once the gameplay style became easily recognizable, people associated a more or less common design with a pretty unique system.chtimi wrote:yeah i know i'm bitching about graphics like an old lady, because raiden has a strong and well-defined identity
*nods* This is why I am going to believe in Raiden III. I too with we could have the old sprites, and it does have that 'empty 3D look', but Seibu have proven themselves several times. The Raidens are still in my top 10 and if Raiden III has any chance of failing, it is probably only because my expectations for it are so high.Randorama wrote:
Which lies in gameplay, the most hilarious part of your comment (in a benign sense, sorry if it sounds even vaguely offensive) is that the first game had very generic and doujin-like graphics,but created a new style out of the '80s Toaplan games. However, once the gameplay style became easily recognizable, people associated a more or less common design with a pretty unique system.
SHMUP sale page.Randorama wrote:ban CMoon for being a closet Jerry Falwell cockmonster/Ann Coulter fan, Nijska a bronie (ack! The horror!), and Ed Oscuro being unable to post 100-word arguments without writing 3-pages posts.
Eugenics: you know it's right!
don't worry, i'm not offended in the slightest. i strongly disagree with you on the graphics though. doujin-like, raiden?Randorama wrote:Which lies in gameplay, the most hilarious part of your comment (in a benign sense, sorry if it sounds even vaguely offensive) is that the first game had very generic and doujin-like graphics,but created a new style out of the '80s Toaplan games. However, once the gameplay style became easily recognizable, people associated a more or less common design with a pretty unique system.chtimi wrote:yeah i know i'm bitching about graphics like an old lady, because raiden has a strong and well-defined identity
Nice that you quote Raiden 2, which is a huge improvement over the FIRST Raiden, which was pretty a doujin title (unlike Border Down, maybe you have a very distorted idea of "Doujin"chtimi wrote: don't worry, i'm not offended in the slightest. i strongly disagree with you on the graphics though. doujin-like, raiden?
the amount of work that has gone into it must be huge. the design is not extravagant, it's almost soviet realism, but that's what i like about it, it's classy like say rolling thunder. to me raiden must have cows, flying debris, various rotating cannons, huge kaboom explosions and noisy bosses.
can you seriously look at the level of detail in raiden 2 and tell me it's doujin?
i thought border down looked and sounded like a doujin, so to each his own i guess
). Beside that, an unplayable game with cows doesn't make a Raiden title...but the core point is gameplay, i seriously fail to understand all this obsession with graphics no need to roll eyes man. besides raiden 1 has exactly the same style as raiden 2. it's not the technical prowess that matters most, it's the quality of the design (eg. i think twin cobra looks much better than say gigawing 2).Randorama wrote: Nice that you quote Raiden 2, which is a huge improvement over the FIRST Raiden, which was pretty a doujin title (unlike Border Down, maybe you have a very distorted idea of "Doujin"
Herr Schatten wrote:I'm not impressed. Raiden II looked a million times better than that. It has too much of that "generic 3D" look to it. The asteroids in particular look really awful.
The sandworm boss seems cool, though.
I'll just wait until I see it in motion.
since you invoke detail, i thought you were more focused on things like debris and so on. But beside that, i can't seriously understand the whole discourse: if it plays like shit and it has cows, it's not Raiden. But in order to appreciate gameplay instead of minding about absolutely trivial matters like the omg 2d graphics, you need to have at least a basic grasp of what gameplay is. The past is the past, doing 2D games is now more expensive than 3D ones and, on top of that, the game is for a market where gameplay matters (luckily). Just thought you were a tad more "serious" than the rest, sorry.chtimi wrote:
no need to roll eyes man etc
i don't know where you see in my posts anything implying it would be ok if it had cows but the gameplay was shit or even flawed. i sure as hell wasn't saying that at all.Randorama wrote: since you invoke detail, i thought you were more focused on things like debris and so on. But beside that, i can't seriously understand the whole discourse: if it plays like shit and it has cows, it's not Raiden. But in order to appreciate gameplay instead of minding about absolutely trivial matters like the omg 2d graphics, you need to have at least a basic grasp of what gameplay is. The past is the past, doing 2D games is now more expensive than 3D ones and, on top of that, the game is for a market where gameplay matters (luckily). Just thought you were a tad more "serious" than the rest, sorry.
thanks for the heads up. nice little movies that are pretty selective in showing the heavy action.icepick wrote:Have you all seen the new (?) full-featured Raiden III HP? System, screens, movies, wallpaper, survey, history?
http://www.mossjp.co.jp/raiden/raiden.htm
I'd be interested in hearing impressions from the regulars here...
