STGT 2k6 Week #3 Results

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:50 am

What in the hell is a Zing Zing Zip? Sounds like something from the Engrish version of Zero Wing ("Move Zing Zing Zip.").

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:52 am

The Coop wrote:What in the hell is a Zing Zing Zip?

this is the kind of response i try to elicit when i name potential candidates for hidden gems week (very few of which are gems by any sense of the word unless you somehow synonymize gems with fecal matter)

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:54 am

Twiddle wrote:this is the kind of response i try to elicit when i name potential candidates for hidden gems week (very few of which are gems by any sense of the word unless you somehow synonymize gems with fecal matter)

"One man's trash is another man's gold."

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:55 am

Any decent arcade shooter over the last 15 years is not hidden (as it has been said), so basically it's a retro week 2

unless it's non-MAME. I would rather play XII Stag than another old game.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:56 am

Icarus wrote:"One man's trash is another man's gold."

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:57 am

Cyvern for Hidden Gems week.
Seriously.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:58 am

I'm not gonna deny that that's a good game, but it won't be hidden by Edge's supposedly wacky criteria since you have a replay of it

Omega Fighter (Special, even) is ripe because only five or six people in this forum have mentioned it, and nobody has a replay of it and/or has cleared a loop recently.

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:59 am

Whip Rush for Hidden Gems. I'm not joking on this one.

And again, way to go Old Schoolers.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:02 am

The Coop wrote:Whip Rush for Hidden Gems. I'm not joking on this one.

Whip Rush is no good and doesn't have a scoring system.

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:03 am

Both OF and OFS are pretty good. I'd prefer Special, but only because I used to play it a lot in my local arcade as a kid.

I dunno about the selection criteria, Hidden Gems will definitely be a strange week. Given the kinds of ideas being tossed around in the main discussion thread, it could be anything from OF to Trigon, Xexex to Thunder Cross, Truxton to 19XX. At least it'll keep participants on their toes. Which should make for an interesting playing week rankings-wise leading into the final week, Cave Week.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:04 am

Rob wrote:
The Coop wrote:Whip Rush for Hidden Gems. I'm not joking on this one.
Whip Rush is no good and doesn't have a scoring system.

but nobody knows or cares about it

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:14 am

Twiddle wrote:
Rob wrote:
The Coop wrote:Whip Rush for Hidden Gems. I'm not joking on this one.
Whip Rush is no good and doesn't have a scoring system.
but nobody knows or cares about it

The fact that you're both so against it, makes me hope it's there even more

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:24 am

no we just don't have an adversion to good games

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:30 am

So jaded. So cold.

Someone give Twiddle a hug.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:45 am

oh man i'm so jaded i play shienryu seriously

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:02 am

Sarcasm, Twiddle. I was being sarcastic.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:03 am

now that there was counter-sarcasm at work

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:12 am

Touché

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:22 am

*hugs Twiddle anyway*

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:57 am

Why does everything have to have a scoring system? Can't it just be about seeing how far you can get (and getting the score along the way) ?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:18 am

landshark wrote:Why does everything have to have a scoring system?

It's a score-based competition.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:20 am

Rob wrote:It's a score-based competition.

Val & Rick has the logical conclusion of how non-score-based shooting games should be scored.

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:29 am

Twiddle wrote:
Rob wrote:It's a score-based competition.
Val & Rick has the logical conclusion of how non-score-based shooting games should be scored.

Well, the more stuff you destroy, the more points you get. I fail to see how this doesn't qualify as a score based game? I could understand if there was flat out no score (aka, Mortal Kombat 2). But if it has a score, then it can be played for score.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:36 am

landshark wrote:I fail to see how this doesn't qualify as a score based game?

imo,

Games in the late 80s/early 90s carried on the tradition of including score (as did numerous other types of games that are worthless for score, like Sonic The Hedgehog), but it's like they weren't aware of the reason it was there to begin with. It's like continue timers in console-only games. A game would have to be brutally hard for survival based scoring to work, since it would divide skill levels properly. Like Fuzzy Shooting, except it's crap and I can't remember if it has score.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:28 am

You strike a very good point. However, as companies may or may not have known why they included a score, I also know of very few competitions that used score as a basis for player comparison. Therefore, it isn't really the question to assess whether a company was moronic for including a score and not know why at the time, the question to continuously ask on each game is after all this time, can we still un-shelve these late 80s/early 90s games and decide if the score can work in competition judgments?

If a game boiled down straight to adjusting your position and shooting angle to hit the most targets to achieve the highest score, I would most definitely call that a scoring system. Personally, I like that system better than a chasing falling medals scoring system anyway.

Also, it would be correct that a survival-based scoring system would have to remain hard enough for all players to be completely unable to score a 100% kill rate for this type of system to work. (Maybe that will indirectly eliminate most late 80s/early 90s suggestions anyway)

Maybe this vote will come straight down to this forum's preferred 'scoring ideals'.

Sounds like if I do the poll again I should make some specific extra notes on what the scoring ideal/system is per nominee.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:41 am

DJ Incompetent wrote:can we still un-shelve these late 80s/early 90s games and decide if the score can work in competition judgments?

I can't think of one that is worthwhile. I like Thunder Force games a lot, but would even the hardest (4) work? No, a number of people would 1-life it easily, and there's little else to add aside from the end of game bonus. With less scoring opportunities, the less control a person has over their individual placement.

Oddly enough, Thunder Force 2 is the best TF for score. I'd play that.

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:03 pm

Rob wrote:
DJ Incompetent wrote:can we still un-shelve these late 80s/early 90s games and decide if the score can work in competition judgments?
I can't think of one that is worthwhile. I like Thunder Force games a lot, but would even the hardest (4) work? No, a number of people would 1-life it easily, and there's little else to add aside from the end of game bonus. With less scoring opportunities, the less control a person has over their individual placement.

Oddly enough, Thunder Force 2 is the best TF for score. I'd play that.

Gaireres (however you spell it).

Long game. Hard game. Lots of enemies to kill. Different weapons to get that will affect how many enemie you will kill.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:05 pm

landshark wrote:Long game. Hard game. Lots of enemies to kill. Different weapons to get that will affect how many enemie you will kill.

Also known as "use one weapon or your score sucks"

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:40 pm

Twiddle wrote:
landshark wrote:Long game. Hard game. Lots of enemies to kill. Different weapons to get that will affect how many enemie you will kill.
Also known as "use one weapon or your score sucks"

Grumble - you are right. Forgot about it. Still difficult though.

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:10 pm

What in the hell is a Zing Zing Zip?