STGT 2k6- Week #3 Poll (Retro Week)

mulletgeezer · Post by **mulletgeezer** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:24 pm

I vote for Starforce

It's ancient but it's still extremely playable and hugely challenging.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:03 pm

Rob wrote:
The Coop wrote:but I think I'll vote for Star Force.
I just tried this out today. I don't know any of you anymore. Juno First at least has a scoring system (and lots of olde time twitch dodging. and flashing colors).

Yeah, this has a lot to do with availability. Section Z and Star Force both have home ports. Then again, Sexy Parodius has nice ports readily available, and it lost against Blazing Star, which is not so readily available.

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:35 pm

Star Force +1

Post by **Icarus** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:40 pm

Star Force GET.
Because its more fun than Section-ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

thesuperkillerxxx · Post by **thesuperkillerxxx** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:43 pm

Juno First gets my vote.

What is this shite?

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:54 pm

Star Force.

elbarto · Post by **elbarto** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:54 pm

Star Force +1

Not thrilled at the prospect of playing any of the choices though.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:59 pm

request for Edge/DJI:

should Star Force win, could you please NOT allow autofire?

Why am I asking here. Well because I think it would ruin this game in particular for a large part.
The ONLY power up in this game is there to give you just that what autofire does: increase the shot rate! It would be like allowing a cheat to almost fully power up at the start (though getting the powerup would increase shot rate even further). Not to mention it takes away a lot from the strategic need to trigger the powerups and capture them, taking away from the experience as meant.
Also it makes this game REALLY considerably easier!

People should not complain about sore thumbs and stuff here as just pressing the shot key allows automatic (though slower shot rate) fire. If people want to have highter shot rate they should get the powerup or mash the button a bit faster!

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:06 pm

Super Laydock wrote:also it makes this game REALLY considerably easier!

Then the game was poorly designed. Disqualify.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:10 pm

Could we like not allow games where autofire will break the game

I like not having carpel tunnel

Post by **Icarus** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:12 pm

Then we'd have to skip Retro Week. Autofire gives considerable advantages in all old-school games.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:18 pm

Rob wrote:
Super Laydock wrote:also it makes this game REALLY considerably easier!
Then the game was poorly designed.

No that's why power ups are called powerUPs!

Icarus wrote:Then we'd have to skip Retro Week. Autofire gives considerable advantages in all old-school games.

Or just disallow autofire and play like it was meant.

Post by **Icarus** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:24 pm

Super Laydock wrote:Or just disallow autofire and play like it was meant.

Thats fine with me.
Let me make an appointment with my doctor first, for some extra-strength painkillers.

_Bnu · Post by **_Bnu** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:56 pm

SUPER MARIO BROS 3!!

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:04 pm

Super Laydock wrote:Or just disallow autofire and play like it was meant.

XBOX's Tecmo collection does NOT allow one to disable auto-fire. Super Laydock's suggestion, while otherwise well motivated, does not seem ideal, since it will disqualify some people's scores (including mine).

Davey · Post by **Davey** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:09 pm

professor ganson wrote:
Rob wrote:
The Coop wrote:but I think I'll vote for Star Force.
I just tried this out today. I don't know any of you anymore. Juno First at least has a scoring system (and lots of olde time twitch dodging. and flashing colors).
Yeah, this has a lot to do with availability. Section Z and Star Force both have home ports. Then again, Sexy Parodius has nice ports readily available, and it lost against Blazing Star, which is not so readily available.

Yes, most people here have an aversion to MAME, but I don't think the votes are going the way they are based solely on port availability (or lack thereof). On the one hand, it's more fair to select a game which the most number of people can play, but is it really worth it if we'd all rather be playing something else?

Besides, just because a game is ported, it doesn't mean that many people on the board actually own a copy (or have sufficient time to get a copy before the competition starts). It will be ironic if the vast majority of scores come in from MAME players (mine will be).

On a side note, I played Juno First a little bit more today (I played each of the games for about 5 minutes each yesterday before voting). I might actually play this one more in the future, even if it's not the winner (which it won't be).

Smraedis · Post by **Smraedis** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:12 pm

Hi, Star Force please

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:13 pm

JF's scoring system is pretty cool. If you just passively dodge for about 20 seconds you can get the pod. Shoot it open, collect the human figure and blast everything for increasing bonuses during its given ~10 seconds of invincibility. Gets pretty hard quickly, since there will get to be a surprising amount of bullets and enemies.

In Star Force it looks like you just "blast shit." Neat!

Post by **Icarus** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:31 pm

professor ganson wrote:XBOX's Tecmo collection does NOT allow one to disable auto-fire. Super Laydock's suggestion, while otherwise well motivated, does not seem ideal, since it will disqualify some people's scores (including mine).

Now there's a point.
Are the other arcade ports similar in nature?

Zigfried the Trizealot · Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:54 pm

The X68000 port of Star Force, which is what I'll be playing, appears to have built-in autofire. I don't see a way to turn it off.

Tecmo probably realized that the game sucked, and hard-coded autofire into future ports to make it suck a little bit less.

//Zig

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:08 pm

Icarus wrote:Then we'd have to skip Retro Week. Autofire gives considerable advantages in all old-school games.

Or people could have just been more lenient with what "old-school" means. 16-bit shooters should have been allowed because it's pretty evident almost everything before then is redundant, boring fodder (no offense to those who like these games).

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:35 pm

Zigfried the Trizealot wrote:The X68000 port of Star Force, which is what I'll be playing, appears to have built-in autofire. I don't see a way to turn it off.

Tecmo probably realized that the game sucked, and hard-coded autofire into future ports to make it suck a little bit less.

//Zig

With all the ports around, are there any differences? Is one easier than the other? Does one have more scoring opportunities, etc?

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:36 pm

Icarus wrote:
professor ganson wrote:XBOX's Tecmo collection does NOT allow one to disable auto-fire. Super Laydock's suggestion, while otherwise well motivated, does not seem ideal, since it will disqualify some people's scores (including mine).
Now there's a point.

Well, that depends!

I have never played this Xbox Tecmo collection so I can't be certain, but...

Being a none MAME enabled player the Professor might confuse the built in "auto fire" of the game itself (i.e. just push shot button and don't let go so the game fires automatically. This of course is a slower (less shots per minute) and intended autofire!) and the Mame autofire option (which emulates tapping the shot button at very high rate. This results in a much faster fireing rate than the "intended" autofire!).

As for the x68000 port, I REALLY don't believe any more than 1 person at most here having access to it, so you (being that 1 person) can have the advantage as far as I am concerned.

And @Nemo: it's all been part of the evolution of the shmup genre. Since we play retro now we SHOULD be going back in the path of evolution and just play these redundant, boring (simple and slow) games.
It's part of the deal in this tournament. Retro fans play new stuff and lovers of modern stuff play retro stuff!

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:58 pm

I chose Star Force.

My old shooting partner KAC used to get to Infinity Stage and hold out until 6mil. Its a difficult game.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:48 pm

Super Laydock wrote:Being a none MAME enabled player the Professor might confuse the built in "auto fire" of the game itself (i.e. just push shot button and don't let go so the game fires automatically. This of course is a slower (less shots per minute) and intended autofire!) and the Mame autofire option (which emulates tapping the shot button at very high rate. This results in a much faster fireing rate than the "intended" autofire!).

Guilty as charged. I thought you meant by "auto-fire" just that there is a continuous shot. The shot rate when holding down at the start is pretty slow, but it increases when you dock Purser.

My kitchen sink is clogged, so I'm going to get a late start at practicing this one.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:52 pm

professor ganson wrote: The shot rate when holding down at the start is pretty slow, but it increases when you dock Purser.

Purser= powerup thing, right!?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:53 pm

Super Laydock wrote:
professor ganson wrote: The shot rate when holding down at the start is pretty slow, but it increases when you dock Purser.
Purser= powerup thing, right!?

Yeah, the manual calls that guy 'Purser' and he docks on your larger ship.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:00 am

Time Pilot

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:03 am

Star Force wins by a slaughter.

Code: Select all

Star Force     - 20 votes
Section Z      -  9 votes
Juno First     -  5 votes
Time Pilot '84 -  3 votes
Exerion        -  1 vote

Thanks to all who voted. And a thank you for understanding the need to narrow down twenty-something different nominations.

Page 1 has the details you're looking for.

Star Force is the Game Choice for Retro Week.

The voting is closed. Commence the kick-assings....and/or the riotings

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:16 am

I didn't know Temco made this (after all, the people who made StarForce latter call themselfs Temco).

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