Orignal Arcade Mushi's have the code (as DOJ) for the arcade ranking
So post them!
The screenshot that was provided looks like it was from the PS2 version. ^_-
You see what I'm getting at here? ^_-
I definitely understand your point of view, and I agree with you.
But talking about Mushi do you remember that StahlFAKEr who posted that IMPOSSIBLE score?
We all play for fun, but I'm sure this doesn't mean we must accept being joked.
I agree: we may seem too much suspicious, but it'is a consequence of the dishonest beviour of many players we met through the years.
In Italy we use to say:
"Patti chiari ed amicizia lunga".
"Clear agreements make good friends".
We always think:
"If his results are genuine, why he should be afraid to prove it?"
LUNardei wrote:BTW, calm down everybody. There was a contest here. Try to rethink things in this way (probably the one they intended): they (italian "childish" team) launched a mame challenge to you. Accept or decline is your decision, since they started with this thing of .inp required.
The Coop wrote:Oh. While I wait, could someone tell me what an inp is?
An INP is an input file for MAME. MAME can make a record of your inputs (from your joystick/keyboard/whatever) while you play a game and output this file as a result. You play it back in MAME much like a video.
How cool. The next time I play on MAME, I'm gonna have to figure out how to do this.
LUNardei wrote:
BTW, calm down everybody. There was a contest here. Try to rethink things in this way (probably the one they intended): they (italian "childish" team) launched a mame challenge to you. Accept or decline is your decision, since they started with this thing of .inp required.
Of course I'd like you to accept ^_^
I have to agree with LUNardei. They offered a contest. Just accept or decline and quit bitching about MAME. There wasn't this much bitching when we had our own shmups.com MAME contest. People actually started bitching when we DID NOT use an emulator.
It won't be a true "shmups.com" versus Italy so go ahead and make a footnote. But just have fun.
Guys I think you all have to change your genetic composition to Japanese that way these people will believe your scores
so long and tanks for all the spacefish unban shw <Megalixir> now that i know garegga is faggot central i can disregard it entirely
<Megalixir> i'm stuck in a hobby with gays
if your score make from another player in this board minimum share the inp or the video in any case every large player who realizes score has always at least of the witnesses, a history behind that it speaks about if that validation its score.
if you are great and honest player please realize one DDP inp with 400.000.000 pts and release on boars and one left to progear had realizes at least 50 million when I see these inp then I will ask you excuse
if I play mushime sama I always arrive to the 5 stage and make a ALL with minimum 12.000.000 if you are good player you dont have any difficult to satisfy my demands if you make 540.000.000 in dpp minimal you can realize ALWAYS 300 or 400 not?
Ok, previously this thread was just amusing, but now it's actually annoying.
I don't care about this competition's conditions. If you want to require wolfmame inps, then only the people who are willing/able to produce those will compete. It won't be me, but hey, fine whatever, no big deal.
However, when you just start casually calling a well respected and long time forum member a liar, and then demand proof when he (understandbly) responds; you're just being an asshole. There was absolutely no reason to even bring up Sik's name, much less throw out such a casual accusation like it was truth.
I have no idea what's happened in the past with you guys and your forums/competitions, but on THIS forum, we haven't had many issues with people lying about scores. We don't view every good score with a suspicious eye and demand proof from the player. We don't randomly accuse members of being liars or cheaters either. I'm sure there may be a few fake scores floating around, but overall it's not a problem and most people don't stress over it.
I would suggest not openly slandering members without solid proof on your part. If you cannot produce that proof, then keep your mouth shut about the subject until the time you CAN produce said proof. Drop it.
The argument of this discussion is irremediably changed, and i think that now were too far to conclude the organization of this tournament. I understand the point of view of many players who don't own a powerful pc, but mame replay is indispensable and easy to use and those who can't do this should leave this competition even if this solution will cause the lost of precius participants for the tournament.
It's been 20 yers that i play in italy for record, and i have interacted with many kind of persons. In italy it's full of liers about their scores (Randorama is the supreme master) and its always been hard for the honest ones to make themeselves be appreciated for their seriousness, ability and professionality. I know that on this site often there's no proof presented to verify the record. It's a totally wrong behaviour because there's always someone that abuses of this freedom, in all situations and without distinction of race and nationality (see stahlfeder).
It's unacceptable that one player that passes much time otaining a record has to be beaten by someone that gives no proof of his score and often releases absolutely invented results. All this makes us lose the will to go on playing. This is why italian communities have organized themselves only using mame replay to confirm their scores. Onor to those who realize videos from the PCB that are even bettere methods to autentify a score, but fews have the possibility to do it, and lesser are the ones who can download hundreds of megabytes for each video.
Who has experience in this field know exatly that a picture wasn't a serious proof in 1985, when just inserting the player 2 could totally alter the score without, at the end of the game, would realize it. Today is even worst, where emulators permit to use cheats and savestates and one simple picture could be edited in a few seconds.
What's funny is people like Neverland forget what playing shmups is all about: fun. If this 'competition' was all for fun, for the enjoyment of the games and some friendly competition, we'd be allowed to play ports, PCBs, mame, whatever. But for Nev and some others, all they seem to care about is this stupid Wolfmame shit with .inp files. As it stands, there seems to be very little fun about this contest.
This has now become about the stupidest 'contest' one could conjure up. In better news, it seems to be crashing before it takes flight.
Gemant wrote:The argument of this discussion is irremediably changed, and i think that now were too far to conclude the organization of this tournament. I understand the point of view of many players who don't own a powerful pc, but mame replay is indispensable and easy to use and those who can't do this should leave this competition even if this solution will cause the lost of precius participants for the tournament.
It's been 20 yers that i play in italy for record, and i have interacted with many kind of persons. In italy it's full of liers about their scores (Randorama is the supreme master) and its always been hard for the honest ones to make themeselves be appreciated for their seriousness, ability and professionality. I know that on this site often there's no proof presented to verify the record. It's a totally wrong behaviour because there's always someone that abuses of this freedom, in all situations and without distinction of race and nationality (see stahlfeder).
It's unacceptable that one player that passes much time otaining a record has to be beaten by someone that gives no proof of his score and often releases absolutely invented results. All this makes us lose the will to go on playing. This is why italian communities have organized themselves only using mame replay to confirm their scores. Onor to those who realize videos from the PCB that are even bettere methods to autentify a score, but fews have the possibility to do it, and lesser are the ones who can download hundreds of megabytes for each video.
Who has experience in this field know exatly that a picture wasn't a serious proof in 1985, when just inserting the player 2 could totally alter the score without, at the end of the game, would realize it. Today is even worst, where emulators permit to use cheats and savestates and one simple picture could be edited in a few seconds.
In all my years posting scores on TNL and shmups.com, stahlfeder is the only person to have lied about their scores. I suppose there could be others we don't know about, but I think it's never been a worry because no one wants to win by cheating. If Italy is full of pathetic liars that's too bad, but here we don't have that paranoia. If Rando has been lying about his scores all this time that's lame, but I'll give any regular poster here the benefit of the doubt. This is all for fun, there's no money or prizes at stake, so why bother ruining things for everyone by cheating or accusing people of cheating.
Due to this board alone, I can conclude that Italy is full of assholes.
False people are everywhere, they are between the others, being like this is part of human nature, because is earier being admired cheating instead of earning merits naturally. This not only happens with videogames. Dear NTSC-J, if you don't know this aspect of the human being, i just answer myself where have you been since now...?
Honestly, i didn't expected to have so much problems here, where there are people who play for score, operation that usually requires 2 days without problems. I didn't even expected so much affectation about using the confortable mame (that i use habitually even if i own neogeo aes and PCBs).
Evidently this is not the right place for similar events.
Gemant wrote:False people are everywhere, they are between the others, being like this is part of human nature, because is earier being admired cheating instead of earning merits naturally. This not only happens with videogames. Dear NTSC-J, if you don't know this aspect of the human being, i just answer myself where have you been since now...?
Apparently not accusing and doubting everybody I see like you and your buddies. People do lie, but this is fucking video games, who gives a shit. At the end of the day, I know my scores are true and since I would have crushed every one of you assholes I don't really care if someone sends .inps or finger prints or blood tests.
You guys need to chill the fuck out if you herniate so easily over playing with toys.
because is earier being admired cheating instead of earning merits naturally. This not only happens with videogames. Dear NTSC-J, if you don't know this aspect of the human being, i just answer myself where have you been since now...?
Actually quite true. Need I give examples in other fields of endeavour? - How about steroid use in athletics? Or Massive steroid abuse in distance cycling (believe me).
Or - how would you feel about this one;
Let's say someone beats you to a nice job with a fake 4 year degree Certificate, and YOU actually went through that 4 years and this fool didn't.
- Would you say; "Its ok, that's Life"?!?
= I think not.
Alright, this is a more serious parallel to draw, but the principle is still there with very high scores and the effort it takes to get them.
You're such a fool believing i'm a noob. But anyway just seeing what you wrote before it's enough, and you don't deserve any other reply since you start using your brain.
And remember, just saying you were joking it doesn't mean you weren't serious.
1. Recording on WolfMAME
a) when you playback inp WolfMAME show recording speed, not only actual machine
b) all pause and some cheat method are disabled
c) before starting playback WolfMAME show if cheats were disbled or enabled
c1) even if player used cheats, for correctly playback cheats must be enabled too, then no problem here
d) zipped inp files are small and easy to send via internet (even via e-mail) and easy to playback
e) if you think that you PC is too weak then each player can write here on forum what is his CPU and RAMs, and then coordinators can choose games with appropiate requirements.
e1) if you disable sound for games, these will run faster.
2. Recording AVI files
a) we don't know is this was recorded on MAME or PCB. You can insert PC to Arcade Machine and you can play under low speed or use cheats. We can't check it. I saw these type of replays.
b) AVI file is very big and some peoeple can have problems with upload this. Ex. on my internet connection it's impossible.
c) camera is required, then better buy PC than camera.
3. Tournament with snapshots only:
a and a only) every can edit snapshot using graphics application.
_Spetty_ wrote:You're such a fool believing i'm a noob. But anyway just seeing what you wrote before it's enough, and you don't deserve any other reply since you start using your brain.
And remember, just saying you were joking it doesn't mean you weren't serious.
You've got two posts and both are trying to start shit. I've been contributing my special brand of quality posting here since forever. If you've got such a problem with me shoot me a PM and we can talk, I don't want to bog down this shitty thread with arguing with noobs.
Twiddle wrote:Guys I think you all have to change your genetic composition to Japanese that way these people will believe your scores
It is pretty sad how only the Japanese players' astronomical scores are widely accepted as real. If a Western player puts up a similar score, it is looked upon with critical and suspicious eyes, and all manner of proof is demanded to prove the score. People say they can show trust when in reality they are doing the opposite.
NTSC-J wrote:You've got two posts and both are trying to start shit. I've been contributing my special brand of quality posting here since forever. If you've got such a problem with me shoot me a PM and we can talk, I don't want to bog down this shitty thread with arguing with noobs.
Spetty seems to be one of the players on the Italy team..
I'm not really liking the seriousness of this thread now, I'm sure this isn't making us get any better at any shooters too
It is pretty sad how only the Japanese players' astronomical scores are widely accepted as real. If a Western player puts up a similar score, it is looked upon with critical and suspicious eyes, and all manner of proof is demanded to prove the score. People say they can show trust when in reality they are doing the opposite.
Hmm..much paranoia has been created, but in all honesty I don't view this as being a bad thing. Maybe the outcome will be to clear the cobwebs and come out the other side with more clarity.
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Back On Topic, I've broken out the popcorn, drank the Westmalle Trippel 9.5% and enjoyed the Drama
BUT
Can some Young Hero set this Competition in Stone?
*Final Choice of Games for Monday start.
*Final Choice of Teams for Monday start.
*Final Choice of MAME etc (as helped by destructor).
_Spetty_ wrote:You're such a fool believing i'm a noob. But anyway just seeing what you wrote before it's enough, and you don't deserve any other reply since you start using your brain.
And remember, just saying you were joking it doesn't mean you weren't serious.
You've got two posts and both are trying to start shit. I've been contributing my special brand of quality posting here since forever. If you've got such a problem with me shoot me a PM and we can talk, I don't want to bog down this shitty thread with arguing with noobs.
I can't believe that one civil person could possibly write this kind of things. If you really think that saying to over 50 millions of people that their asshole is "quality posting" you're absolutely mad. THIS is, like you say, "trying to star shit". So just stop keeping this uncivil behaviour, like you say it's just videogames. Se keep the other people out of this.
NTSC-J wrote:You've got two posts and both are trying to start shit. I've been contributing my special brand of quality posting here since forever. If you've got such a problem with me shoot me a PM and we can talk, I don't want to bog down this shitty thread with arguing with noobs.
Spetty seems to be one of the players on the Italy team..
No, he's not. But he's a player we all know.
I think this discussion has gone bad...
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I'm still down to participate, I've got no problems with using Mame and recording plays. I think using the honor system has worked well in the past, but if these guys have proposed a contest on certain terms I have no problem.
Edit: I figured spetty was on team Italy, but if not I have to wonder what his deal is. Three asshole posts in a row is not a great way to introduce yourself to the board.
NTSC-J wrote:I'm still down to participate, I've got no problems with using Mame and recording plays. I think using the honor system has worked well in the past, but if these guys have proposed a contest on certain terms I have no problem.
Edit: I figured spetty was on team Italy, but if not I have to wonder what his deal is. Three asshole posts in a row is not a great way to introduce yourself to the board.
Again with this offences, really weird for a adult person, go on like this. I've understood that you don't know what you say.
