I hate that these "doom-likes" exist. We have Id Software already and that's a thing, but unless your game is better than that, then what's the point. Do something else.AGermanArtist wrote: ↑Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:10 am I hate that these "souls-likes" exist. We have From already and that's a thing, but unless your game is better than that, then what's the point. Do something else.
Pistol Start seems pretty tricky, but I know some other people who do Descent runs with each level as a fresh start (you unlock level select for any level you've cleared so eventually you can start all the levels except the secret ones with just the basic laser, I guess with cheats you could warp to those). Seems difficult but an interesting way to experience the campaign.MS¥STG wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 3:22 pmPlaying through each map on Ultra-Violence, pistol start, no saves, 100% kills & secrets, which is my favorite way of playing WADs for DooM 1 & 2. I love how most maps are designed to be played this way because it turns each map into a little "1CC" so to speak.
It's not tricky at all because each map is designed for it, so you get weapons and stuff right away and also as you progress through the mapBareKnuckleRoo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:54 pmPistol Start seems pretty tricky, but I know some other people who do Descent runs with each level as a fresh start (you unlock level select for any level you've cleared so eventually you can start all the levels except the secret ones with just the basic laser, I guess with cheats you could warp to those). Seems difficult but an interesting way to experience the campaign.MS¥STG wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 3:22 pmPlaying through each map on Ultra-Violence, pistol start, no saves, 100% kills & secrets, which is my favorite way of playing WADs for DooM 1 & 2. I love how most maps are designed to be played this way because it turns each map into a little "1CC" so to speak.
There is a ton of super awesome WADs (map packs) made for it.
I dropped Alliance Alive and never touched it again. Wish I could remember why because I didn't think it was terrible. The world map was really bleak and depressing though.
The penguin part is godlike. I love the little penguin guy. He is one of the best jarpig mascot characters ever, and not just because he's cute.
I played the PS4 version a few years ago and thought it was alright. I don't think I recruited all the characters but I got quite a few.
It gets better. WAYY better. But the game is way more parry-focused than Bloodborne, if you're expecting to dodge roll everywhere you won't get very far. Later on you can enhance your dodge and it becomes more viable but is still only good for about 50% of attacks.ryu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:04 am Played some Lies of P (up until and including the first boss fight before the hotel) at a friend's place. The game seems to provide exactly the "Bloodborne at home" experience I expected out of it. What I played wasn't bad, but also kind of bland (there was nothing memorable about the level design and combat so far).
The first boss took me a few tries. Somehow I kept expecting to be able to cancel at least out of the last few frames of my attacks. Wasn't Bloodborne like that? Somehow the stiffness of the combat really took me off guard.
I would continue playing if I owned the game. But definitely can't say I'm instantly sold on purchasing it myself. Maybe eventually.
Lies of P is arguably the best one that isn't Bloodborne, but this strikes me as kind of a weird take regardless—to me it sounds like saying well we have Space Invaders, why make Galaxian, or maybe more aptly, we have Star Castle, why make Yars' Revenge? To be fair, Lies of P is _very_ blatant in how it apes From, but it does so and it does so exceedingly well while also adding some new mechanics and some pretty neat environments and worldbuilding. Even if it were 100% derivative—and it isn't—it's still more content (and highly polished, exceedingly playable content at that) for people who like these games to enjoy. Very few games are going to be exceedingly innovative or pioneer new genres/movements. This is true in every other art form as well. Besides, I'd rather have a AAA game that is the next best thing to Bloodborne (which From isn't giving us), versus the 50th Metroidvania or Roguelike indie game to come out this month.AGermanArtist wrote: I hate that these "souls-likes" exist. We have From already and that's a thing, but unless your game is better than that, then what's the point. Do something else.
Parry is fine as an augmenting mechanic (meaning if you can't parry every attack, or if many attacks are way harder to parry than to dodge). But if it's the main gimmick, that means you barely even need to move when fighting enemies. That's pretty lame imo.it290 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:38 am It gets better. WAYY better. But the game is way more parry-focused than Bloodborne, if you're expecting to dodge roll everywhere you won't get very far. Later on you can enhance your dodge and it becomes more viable but is still only good for about 50% of attacks.
I agree on Stellar Blade being crap. In Lies of P, however, parrying is far from the only viable option in many (most) circumstances. I wouldn't call it the 'main gimmick,' just one gimmick necessary to survive. Parrying is definitely the 'main gimmick' in Sekiro however, and that game is far from lame in my opinion.ryu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:17 pmParry is fine as an augmenting mechanic (meaning if you can't parry every attack, or if many attacks are way harder to parry than to dodge). But if it's the main gimmick, that means you barely even need to move when fighting enemies. That's pretty lame imo.it290 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:38 am It gets better. WAYY better. But the game is way more parry-focused than Bloodborne, if you're expecting to dodge roll everywhere you won't get very far. Later on you can enhance your dodge and it becomes more viable but is still only good for about 50% of attacks.
Games like Stellar Blade and ZZZ seem like parodies to me. Just stand there and press dodge or parry depending on the color cue on the screen. Just makes me go "What?"... but I only watched a friend play them so maybe I'm way too judgemental and got the wrong idea. I'd give Stellar Blade a go at least if only it wasn't an open world collecthaton full of side quests that takes unreasonably long to complete... I'm so tired of that bloat. :/
I mean, I also think Galaxian is an evolutionary step up from Space Invaders, but let's be real, the devs at Namco saw the success of Space Invaders and thought 'oh, let's add enemy movement to that game,' and within a year or two there were a dozen other companies doing the same thing as Galaxian, just as a dozen had cloned Space Invaders before it. That's just how the medium works. Now, Lies of P is a less significant evolution/offshoot vs. Bloodborne than Galaxian is, but that's just because games are so much more complex now. Galaxian has basically 2 or 3 notable differences from Space Invaders, but they're huge in comparison because there were only so many ways the formula could be evolved at the time. P has comparatively more changes vs. its inspiration but they appear smaller because of the game's complexity.AGermanArtist wrote:I don't see something like Lies of P offering anything that perhaps pushes the already established format forward in any way that's meaningful or comparable to the differences between Galaxian and Space Invaders. Had there been, I wouldn't be typing this post. Instead, I'd hope its develeopers and From collaborate on a new game.
I think people are talking about games they are finding enjoyment playing. If someone is having fun playing it, then who cares?
Cool! I played it again a few years ago (had not played it since it was new in the 90s!) and I didn't give it enough time I think, but from what I remember I liked the first 8 or so maps/levels, because they were rather simple and dense, but then the maps got very mazey, which I didn't like, and there were also hit scanners that killed within a second or so once I appeared within their seight, so that made me think the game went downhill at that point. But maybe I just didn't give it enough time, was lacking patience or not willing to try hard enough.
I enjoy the mazes as there's a robust automap system, but the hitscan enemies (Drillers) are brutal. They die in one hit to a homing missile so they're rather frail, but they hit with no wind-up time meaning there's a kind of euroshmup element to any levels with them where you gotta learn to memorize where they are or sneakily fire homing missiles around corners. And sometimes later they're cloaked so homing missiles won't lock on.
