Got japanese Sega Saturn, recommend me games!

Anything from run & guns to modern RPGs, what else do you play?
Steven
Posts: 4020
Joined: Tue May 11, 2021 5:24 am
Location: Tokyo

Re: Got japanese Sega Saturn, recommend me games!

Post by Steven »

DMC wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:26 am Thanks for the info Steven, I just checked the CD of my Saturn copy and it's version 2.0 I have, so clearly they didn't fix the bomb bonus bug by then.
Yeah, I wonder how many 1.003 copies are out there. They had already made version 2.000 prior to launch, so I would not be surprised if there are more copies of 2.000. I checked and I do indeed have 2.000.
DMC wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:26 am
Steven wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:15 am Too bad you didn't ask about this last week; I just talked to him 6 days ago! Fortunately, the dude is inescapable. One of my friends who knows him swears that you can wake up at 0400 and go to any convenience store in Japan and somehow Toyama will be there. I'm basically guaranteed to see him again on September 14, so I will try to not forget to ask him. I somehow doubt that he'll remember what the supposed bug is next time, but it's worth trying. Believe me, this is something that I have been wondering about ever since he told me to always play on Saturn and never on ST-V, and I want to get a definite answer if I can, but...
I also want to randomly bump into Yuichi Toyama in convenicence stores. :cry:

One thing that is unclear to me is whether there are two separate rank systems, one for end-of-stage bonuses and one for other things like power-ups and deaths. The reason I suspect this is that getting 100% of the enemies on a stage will lead to some boss attacks on the next stages regardless if I die or powe-up. toyama probably forgot or don't care about those details now though.

Another thing I'm curious about is how much he and Yagawa influenced each other. Since Battle Garegga and Soukyugurentai were developed around the same time, was Toyama influenced by Yagawa and vice versa?
Since neither of them is credited on any of the other's game I presume the influence was rather small.
I don't think I've ever gotten a 100% destruction rate. I have heard it makes rank increase by a huge amount if you get it, so I haven't gotten it yet. Still gotta clear the game eventually... I usually game over on stage 5, where I get my ass kicked, although I think I made it to stage 6 like once. Haven't played in a while, as the right side audio on my HD Retrovision cable no longer works and I really don't want to play this game (or any game that has stereo) in mono, especially with that glorious soundtrack! I think I have a composite cable somewhere that should still have functioning audio on both sides, and I think I'd be okay with composite video for now. I do play it on ST-V at the arcade sometimes, but I'd rather play it at home on my Saturn for free lol

But yeah, Toyama would've known Yagawa, now that I think about it, as they were there at the same time. The shooting game dev community's actually really small, and everybody in shooting is friends with everybody else. I just learned that Toyama was apparently the game's director, or at least Japanese Wikipedia says he was. In practice it didn't really mean that much to be director on a shooting game back then, as the programmers were the ones that did basically all of the game design, and of course it wasn't uncommon for the director to be also a programmer, but in either case it looks like this game was Toyama's baby. Even with the weird rank system and how it makes it so you basically never want to power up your regular shot (which isn't really a big deal anyway because the lock-on shot is better for everything aside from enemy homing missiles, which as you know are crazy fast in this game and can be super dangerous), I still think this is one of the best games in the genre.
PC Engine Fan X!
Posts: 9094
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:32 pm

Re: Got japanese Sega Saturn, recommend me games!

Post by PC Engine Fan X! »

I've noticed with the SS port of Shienryu, if you enable tate mode, you have to hold the SS gamepad at a 90 degree angle just to even play it properly -- is there an Action Replay code to fix this pressing issue?

----------
I know that the USA PSX port of"The Raiden Project" had the very same issue of having to hold the PSX gamepad at a 90 degree angle if you played either Raiden or Raiden II in tate -- a Gameshark code fixes that particular issue.
----------

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~
User avatar
tomwhite2004
Posts: 329
Joined: Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:13 pm
Location: UK

Re: Got japanese Sega Saturn, recommend me games!

Post by tomwhite2004 »

PC Engine Fan X! wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:40 pm I've noticed with the SS port of Shienryu, if you enable tate mode, you have to hold the SS gamepad at a 90 degree angle just to even play it properly -- is there an Action Replay code to fix this pressing issue?
After setting the game to arcade mode go back into the options menu. You will see a new option called rotate, turn this to off.
PC Engine Fan X!
Posts: 9094
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:32 pm

Re: Got japanese Sega Saturn, recommend me games!

Post by PC Engine Fan X! »

tomwhite2004 wrote: Tue Jul 01, 2025 2:13 pm
PC Engine Fan X! wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:40 pm I've noticed with the SS port of Shienryu, if you enable tate mode, you have to hold the SS gamepad at a 90 degree angle just to even play it properly -- is there an Action Replay code to fix this pressing issue?
After setting the game to arcade mode go back into the options menu. You will see a new option called rotate, turn this to off.

Thanks for the handy tip. That did the trick with the "rotate" option to off.

On a related SS & DC controller adapter setup, the "Brook Wingman SD" adapter allows you to hook up any arcade stick or gamepad that's made for the Xbox 360, the Xbox One, the Nintendo Switch and even the PS3/PS4. You can even hook up the PS4 or Xbox 360 based Hori produced massive Vewlix (in Red, Black & rarer "Diamond Blue" colored variants) arcade sticks -- how cool is that? I know a few of the Hori Xbox 360 arcade sticks came with all-Seimitsu parts factory installed. Upon hooking up a Brook Wingman SD to the SS along with a Hori 360 Fighting Stick EX2, it works like a charm.

----------
Unfortunately, the Brook Wingman SD is sold out and easily fetches upwards of $120.00+ in used condition on the secondary video gaming market nowadays (Brook first introduced the "Wingman SD" controller adapter to the general public back in 2020).
----------

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~
User avatar
it290
Posts: 2685
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:00 am
Location: polar malortex, illinois

Re: Got japanese Sega Saturn, recommend me games!

Post by it290 »

There are plenty of options for using modern arcade sticks on the Saturn. USB adapters galore, but also take a look at the Blueretro which lets you use just about any bluetooth peripheral you want.
Image
We here shall not rest until we have made a drawing-room of your shaft, and if you do not all finally go down to your doom in patent-leather shoes, then you shall not go at all.
Post Reply