Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Lemnear]

in the end the war with Iran happened, in the face of the 43% of people here who believed it would never happen. Of course it is not between Iran and the USA, but there is a war now

[BulletMagnet]

Of course it is not between Iran and the USA, but there is a war now

Despite earlier statements by Rubio (seriously, when was the last time that horse's ass actually made an accurate statement?) that Israel had attacked Iran unilaterally without informing the US, the administration has since confirmed - to the surprise of absolutely nobody with two brain cells to rub together - that not only did it greenlight the attack but has troops in Israel helping to intercept Iran's counteroffensive.

Feel free to pick nits over whether that means the US is technically "involved" or not, I just want to hear from the chucklefucks who wrung their hands about how sending support to Ukraine was too incendiary, not to mention insisted that the same son of a bitch who threatened North Korea with Fire and Fury, not to mention Greenland and Canada with forcible annexation, was going to be the savior who kept us out of war. Anyone know which rock the local fascist pussies are currently hiding under?

[Sima Tuna]

Of course it is not between Iran and the USA, but there is a war now

Despite earlier statements by Rubio (seriously, when was the last time that horse's ass actually made an accurate statement?) that Israel had attacked Iran unilaterally without informing the US, the administration has since confirmed - to the surprise of absolutely nobody with two brain cells to rub together - that not only did it greenlight the attack but has troops in Israel helping to intercept Iran's counteroffensive.

Feel free to pick nits over whether that means the US is technically "involved" or not, I just want to hear from the chucklefucks who wrung their hands about how sending support to Ukraine was too incendiary, not to mention insisted that the same son of a bitch who threatened North Korea with Fire and Fury, not to mention Greenland and Canada with forcible annexation, was going to be the savior who kept us out of war. Anyone know which rock the local fascist pussies are currently hiding under?

Yeah, this is functionally a war between the USA and Iran. The USA's zionist contingent is in power and allowing the entire nation to be led around by the nose by Warmonger Bibi and End Times Christians.

There is zero chance of Israel losing because a) Israel has nukes and b) the USA will just give them whatever they need to win, to the point that it will make what we gave to Ukraine look like chicken feed. Hell, if Bibi determines he needs US boots on the ground in Iran to expand his Greater Israel doctrine, then he will find a way to get it. It's hilarious to watch the news media trying to spin this as anything other than Israel's war of aggression.

Twenty or thirty years from now, many of the people who have done what they have done in Gaza and the Middle East will quite possibly be up on war crimes charges. Unless the concept of impartial courts goes away entirely, of course.

[neorichieb1971]

Israel attacking Iran with USA's backing is going to create lol moments when any axis of evil country gets blamed for breaking international laws. Those laws are for the weak who want to be stronger, not the ones in the high chair at this current time.

I hope Iran give as good as they get. As for the G7 in Canada shortly, what kind of meeting will that be when Lord Trump is acting as a double agent?

I don't want the UK to get involved and if it does, I want Starmer out. Supporting the USA on wars is like supporting them on tariffs, it will most likely be as short lived as Trumps reign as POTUS. These actions only give credence to BRICS nations who don't want to follow a country that makes shit up as they go along.

[Lemnear]

Of course it is not between Iran and the USA, but there is a war now

Despite earlier statements by Rubio (seriously, when was the last time that horse's ass actually made an accurate statement?) that Israel had attacked Iran unilaterally without informing the US, the administration has since confirmed - to the surprise of absolutely nobody with two brain cells to rub together - that not only did it greenlight the attack but has troops in Israel helping to intercept Iran's counteroffensive.

Feel free to pick nits over whether that means the US is technically "involved" or not, I just want to hear from the chucklefucks who wrung their hands about how sending support to Ukraine was too incendiary, not to mention insisted that the same son of a bitch who threatened North Korea with Fire and Fury, not to mention Greenland and Canada with forcible annexation, was going to be the savior who kept us out of war. Anyone know which rock the local fascist pussies are currently hiding under?

I was being sarcastic

The attack benefits Trump indirectly or not. It could force Iran into the Nuclear deal, and if it doesn't accept, it justifies Israel instead. In practice, the only way Iran can save itself is to give in to Trump.
Of course I find it hard to defend Iran given the way it treats its more "liberal" population...i know Iranians who live here, they told me about the terrible reasons why they fled, and they would never ever go back to Iran, they can't even, they would be killed. So I can imagine which side they are on in this new war.

I hope America isn't so degenerate as to force annexations...as if Trump's latest tax laws, the curfew in L.A. and the possible Amazon stablecoin aren't bad enough.
It seems like the world is accelerating without brakes towards a 1984 style oligarchy, all over the world.
Drowning in AI that will make practically everyone useless, a possible WW3, a climate apocalypse, an economic crisis worse than 2008......what the hell am I supposed to do with my life then tomorrow?...

[BulletMagnet]

Of course I find it hard to defend Iran given the way it treats its more "liberal" population...i know Iranians who live here, they told me about the terrible reasons why they fled, and they would never ever go back to Iran, they can't even, they would be killed. So I can imagine which side they are on in this new war.

I'd concur that most Iranians, particularly expatriates, have no love for the Ayatollahs, but considering that the latter are only in power because the US attempted to render the country a puppet state (via the Shah) and the hardliners swept in to fill the vacuum when the Iranian people rightly threw him out, I'd imagine few of them want to experience the next colonialist hellscape America - to say nothing of Israel - intends to force upon them either.

[Vanguard]

The USA's zionist contingent is in power and allowing the entire nation to be led around by the nose by Warmonger Bibi and End Times Christians.

"The USA's zionist contingent" has been in power since before you were born.

Twenty or thirty years from now, many of the people who have done what they have done in Gaza and the Middle East will quite possibly be up on war crimes charges. Unless the concept of impartial courts goes away entirely, of course.

This is not going to happen without a violent revolution or two.

[orange808]

Same shit, different day. I know the history. With that said, modern Iran has options. They make choices. They make choices every day and what happened over five decades ago didn't force their hand in Gaza.

Iran is full of people and run by people. The same inherently evil, blood thirsty, rapey, and corrupt human beings as everywhere else. Genetically identical.

Furthermore, they have their own flavor of imperialist agenda, regional ambitious, and their own global vision of eventual Iranian dominance. Why? Oh, hello human beings! There you are again! Same shit.

I bet most of their leaders don't even believe in their own religion. Same as everywhere else. Same thing as popes having orgies at the Vatican. It's all just a means to an end, isn't it?

Regardless, Iran has it's own murderous agenda and they aren't just a peace loving victim that innocently woke up one day to barbarians at the gate. Iran orchestrated that attack on Israel and unleashed this disaster onto Gaza with purpose: to further their own agenda. They absolutely refuse to cede any influence in the region the Saudi Arabia and Turkey--and Iran was more than happy to sacrifice the lives of every man, woman, and child in Gaza to prevent the diplomatic shift that was brewing.

The real tragedy here is that nobody cared about the truly innocent every day human beings that are trapped living in Gaza. Both the Iranian and Israelis decided to use them as pawns. Iran knew they would die and Israel gladly took the opportunity to kill them.

Put the blame where it belongs and hold absolutely everyone accountable.

[AGermanArtist]

[Lord British]

YAY!! I was correct in the poll!!!

What did I win?

[Sima Tuna]

YAY!! I was correct in the poll!!!

What did I win?

Nuclear apocalypse. Yay!

[Lemnear]

I feel pretty prophetic

[BulletMagnet]

As is always the case with this administration and the right at large, from patriotism to pedophilia, every accusation is a confession.

It's very much worth noting here that, just in case Iran hadn't already relocated and split up its enriched uranium supply after Israel started attacking it (which, according to Iran, it did), the Trump administration warned Tehran in advance of Saturday's strikes (but didn't bother to inform Democratic government officials); in otherwords, its insistence that the regime and its nuclear program pose an "existential threat" is as manifestly, defiantly unserious as its insistence that foreign governments are sending gang members over the border to "invade" us.

The point is never to actually address, let alone eliminate, the "threat", but to dust it off as needed to distract from the fact that we're watching "First They Came" play out in fast-forward on our streets.

Suck that authoritarian cock harder, conservatives and "moderates" - that's what greatness tastes like.

[To Far Away Times]

There are only four things that are guaranteed:

Life
Death
Taxes
Republican military adventurism in the middle east.

[BryanM]

Megan 2 is out this weekend. Instead of remaking the same movie they went the Terminator 2 route with this one... I just find it highly amusing that they'd save this neural network that killed people and have it hanging around. The wonderful fantasy world of movies.

I guess it being a Terminator 2 clone is also a parable about how there are no new movies, no new stories, and no new history. Time is a flat circle. The only thing that ever changes is vibes and aesthetics.

You know, after all this time I still haven't voted in the thread poll.

As a matter of principle I don't vote in these things, in order to have some intigity. Unlike these comedians and cheaters who picked 2021 long after it passed or jumping the gun a little here. We can't call it a fullblown quagmire until we've locked in three million dead for no fuckin' reason.

Of course I did think it was most likely this decade for the reasons I articulated. They were running out of time: this decade or, less likely, the next one was the absolute last chance they had to do this. Otherwise they'd be out of power either electorally or technologically as AI companies assume control. (The defense contracts with OpenAI and others is a good early sign of our new overlords.)

Seeing Ted Cruz getting grilled by Sean Hannity was a solid lolcow moment. How Cruz doesn't know jack shit about Iran, just like how the guys who started the Iraq war didn't know why they wanted to do it either. Besides being told to. A wonderful interview between a guy bought by Israel and a guy bought by Russia. When anti-semite nazi Steve Bannon is a voice of reason, we really do live in a completely fucked grimdark shithole...

One weird opinion I see in leftists like Hasan or Richard Wolff is that they think Ukraine has no chance of winning its war. I think they internalized 'America bad' a little too hard.... If the USA could not and can not conquer Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran, why the hell would Russia be able to conquer Ukraine?

Maybe it was reasonable to worry about in the early days, but years later it's pretty obvious the likely outcome is Russia eventually runs out of the means to continue the war and has to give it up. It's not like they have unlimited men to throw into the blender, or infinite production.

They have the same problem every invader has in modern warfare: The people you're trying to invade live there. You don't.

It's easy to look at population numbers and think "143.8 million is soooo much bigger than 37.73 million" and shut off your brain after that. Are all 143.8 million of those people gonna slap on a uniform and zerg rush the place? How would that even be physically possible? It's a question of how many resources you're willing to commit to the endeavor. The defenders care much more, the maximum amount of caring about a thing that is possible. They have no other choice but to.

How did Russia perform in Afghanistan again? Yeah, that's what I thought...

There's a reason colonization is an essential tool of conquest. These dumb motherfuckin' orangutans just will never understand reality, they're got brains still living in a LARP of feudalism. A more efficient method of conquest is sending over a Krispy Kreme, not bombing the shit out of the people you want to collect rent on.

Christ.

[orange808]

What does regime change in Iran even look like? Why is America doing this, again?

Go ahead. Paint me a picture. Iran is stubbornly right wing. Bombing them won't change that--and people living there are probably going tobbe upset about the bombs. (Bombs explode.) People living in Iran are going to feel a certain way about being bombed. How does this help us, again?

What does a regime change even look like? ???

Unleashing chaos in places like Iraq and Libya didn't help the region--and now we want to send one of the biggest powers in the region into a political vacuum? This is madness.

[Sima Tuna]

It's all for the sake of Netanyahu's Greater Israel vision. He wants an Israeli empire stretching across the middle east and the USA is going to fund that.

[orange808]

In the spirit of this conversation, have you ever stopped to wonder if our natural hunger for revenge... I mean justice... ahem... is counterproductive?

If a person is facing life in prison or death, there's no off ramp. How do we even get a regime change without a messy fight and power vacuum?

I certainly don't want bad people walking away after they committed atrocities, but how do we get accountability and provide an off ramp?

I'm not just talking about Libya and Iraq. There's a lot of people that want to jail Netanyahu for life. We've made this a zero sum game. Is that wise?

Is revenge worth it? I'm not sure.

Same thing with Putin. The real world is messy, huh? Revenge sounds great until you look at the details.

[BryanM]

Mamdani's victory tonight is an example of the inevitability of death and change. The dictatorship of the serfs trapped in the world of TV can only last for so long; there was like hundreds of million dollars trying to kill this guy and it failed. Though the democrats will continue to do their best to ratfuck him in the general, of course.

I didn't even know the current mayor was indicted on a ton of things and got a pardon for all of them from Trump's justice department. Which is why they needed to pull the ass-grabber out of retirement to be humiliated....

[Lemnear]

I was about to write a bad wall text message about how disgusted I am by the current world, in its fashions, in its habits, in its sick mentality, the collective disgust for art or nature...or for anything that is longer than 15 seconds.
The fact that millions rain down for bullshit and serious things are not considered worthy, and that everything moves only and exclusively for profit but at a level that I had never seen before.
When all the money in the world is in the hands of 10 people what will we do?

[Sima Tuna]

When all the money in the world is in the hands of 10 people what will we do?

https://youtu.be/jokudPR63ek

Probably starve. But maybe there will be a peasant revolt and we'll create some new and mildly less bad society.

The problem with giving 10 people all the money in the world is that 10 people are not capable of defending it. And the billionaires know this. Their contempt for the working class is only matched by their fear. Beneath all of the horrible things that are happening to the working class right now, there is that undercurrent of fear.

Yes, billionaires can pay others to defend their shit. But most won't sacrifice their lives over a paycheck. When shit hits the fan, we will see some of these private security and police straight up backing away. The no kings protests were massive and Mamdani's victory over Cuomo an indication that sentiment is turning on establishment parties in general.

[orange808]

When all the money in the world is in the hands of 10 people what will we do?

https://youtu.be/jokudPR63ek

Probably starve. But maybe there will be a peasant revolt and we'll create some new and mildly less bad society.

The problem with giving 10 people all the money in the world is that 10 people are not capable of defending it. And the billionaires know this. Their contempt for the working class is only matched by their fear. Beneath all of the horrible things that are happening to the working class right now, there is that undercurrent of fear.

Yes, billionaires can pay others to defend their shit. But most won't sacrifice their lives over a paycheck. When shit hits the fan, we will see some of these private security and police straight up backing away. The no kings protests were massive and Mamdani's victory over Cuomo an indication that sentiment is turning on establishment parties in general.

Nothing we can't solve with bibles and flags. The most stable society in the history of mankind managed this by making the Pharaoh a god king and wrapping it up inside nationalism.

God and country.

Now, they're ready to die for you. Forget private armies, use the real one. The American military chose Trump by a big margin. Just say something about "patriot" and god. Next, wave a flag. Finally, say "nine eleven". There ya go. Problem solved.

[BulletMagnet]

Finally, say "nine eleven".

In fairness, they beat this drum hard against Mamdani, and this time it didn't work - how things go beyond the primary remains to be seen, but it's worth remembering that, while there certainly are plenty of voters who will always willing to be goaded by flags and bibles, their strength does not lie in their numbers, it lies in the fact that they show up. If more of the majority of people who aren't as willfully, eagerly gullible did so, the former would never win an election again.

Which brings me to an observation that even some "mainstream" Democrats are pointing out - whenever the shoe has been on the other foot and a "centrist" wins out over a more progressive candidate, the "moderates" trot out the "vote blue no matter who" line and shame anyone who hesitates to line up behind the victor, no matter what their reservations about them might be. Now, however, that the roles are reversed, the establishment is either delaying or outright refusing endorsement, in some cases openly declaring opposition - Cuomo, as it happens, is keeping his name on the ballot in a blatant bid to draw votes away from Mamdani.

As I've said before, for many years I resisted the "Democrats would rather have Trump in office than Bernie" line as an exaggeration; nowadays, as far as I'm concerned the Dems have openly declared it as gospel. And yet again, we know how to beat the Fascists, and it's not complicated, but we're being actively sabotaged.

[orange808]

Finally, say "nine eleven".

In fairness, they beat this drum hard against Mamdani, and this time it didn't work - how things go beyond the primary remains to be seen, but it's worth remembering that, while there certainly are plenty of voters who will always willing to be goaded by flags and bibles, their strength does not lie in their numbers, it lies in the fact that they show up. If more of the majority of people who aren't as willfully, eagerly gullible did so, the former would never win an election again.

New York is different. There's god, country, and New York City. The city has its own history, culture, and mythology. Other people in other parts of the country will tell you they do too, but it's bullishit.

They'll tell you they have a rich history or whatever with their can of Schlitz in the trailer park, but they really don't. All they have is a confederate flag and a pair of flip flops. Great great grampy is one of the "original" real white people from the Mayflower in every story now. The real story of how he came through Ellis Island and took a plot of land from the Homestead Act is long forgotten. "We ain't no fer-rin-ners! All us here are or-ridge-en-all Amer-rick-cans!"

Given that votes are weighted based on surface area, New York is a speck at the edge of a sea of trailer homes.

[BryanM]

The open and accepted islamophobia is quite insane. Just dehumanize our victims like we always do, I guess. Makes sense with how they're fine with the total genocide of an entire race of people, since that's what the paychecks say to do. Eve Fartlow can feel terrified, her heart pounding because she saw a 'Free Parking' sign and thought it said 'Free Palestine' for a moment, and we should feel sympathy for her. While the victims of Israel's war crimes 'deserved it'... I still think of those food aid workers who were friends of that celebrity chef, and how they served themselves up on a silver platter to the IDF by telling them where they'd be. I'm still blown away they could deny the reality right in front of their face so hard that that wasn't what they expected to have happen...

As for what would happen if the wealthy had absolute power, well, the same thing they're doing right now. They have bunkers in New Zealand they plan to retreat into when global warming makes life untenable. The tech guys have bunkers for when they push the button to turn on the AGI in the future. In the old days we had company towns where the boss was like a god, mandating what you were and were not allowed to do. My scenario where the wealthy carve up the world and effectively have their own private countries where they get to be god is obviously their ideal world.

I think about the Black Mirror episode, Fifteen Million Merits, often. My original interpretation of the ending when the MC looks out onto a large forest, was that he was looking at a screen. That he had just traded up to a much nicer cell. But then I read that it's supposed to be a real forest, and that makes it all so much worse. That humanity would choose to live like that for no reason.

It's a metaphor for our own society, of course. The war period where men went to war and women went into the factories producing things that didn't have anything to do with the immediate local quality of life, was some of the best times for working class affluence. The sheetbros (or the shitlibs, really) might argue it was due to 'borrowing money with debt', but those who live in the physical world know that you can't eat bread that doesn't exist.

As I've said before, for many years I resisted the "Democrats would rather have Trump in office than Bernie" line as an exaggeration; nowadays, as far as I'm concerned the Dems have openly declared it as gospel. And yet again, we know how to beat the Fascists, and it's not complicated, but we're being actively sabotaged.

It does feel very strange seeing you make BryanM posts these days.

If it helps, we all start off as liberals. That's what the cradle to grave brainwashing is for. Even I was resigned that a managed decline was the best we could hope for, and the only real change would come about from a change in material conditions. Aka: the invention of Artificial General Intelligence.

Like I always pointed out, the democrats and republicans were arm-in-arm against Sanders when he was mayor of Burlington. They didn't even let the man hire a secretary, and he had to drive the city's snow plow himself. He had to literally defeat multiple enemies on the city council and get his people into power before he could do anything. (One of my favorite jokes is that he wanted to become president so he could get the funds to overhaul Burlington's sewer system. Just to get the lady who keeps calling him and bitching about it to shut up.)

During his house runs, the democrats and republicans floated the idea of running a 'unified' ticket to try and defeat him. They eventually accepted that would be counterproductive, wouldn't work out, and would erode the vital kayfabe that the democrats and republicans aren't owned by the very same people.

And to be fair, this is just a consequence of not being able to know everything. It's vitally important to never fill in the gaps with what you would wish were true. (I'm guilty of that as anyone, hoping for Star Trek communism for so long, but now resigned to Elon Musk nightmare breeding camps.) Tulsi Gabbard is an absolute shitpile of a human being, but at the time with so few allies it didn't matter to us considering how few democrats there were that would take a stand against the machine.

Elizabeth Warren is my favorite punching bag, as always. For some reason people think this Ronald Reagan republican (like Obama) is a leftist. When she's a capitalist to her bones. If that's as 'left' as democrats can go, then the democrats are useless. For anything other than a more well-managed decline. A speedbump on the way into inevitable fascism.

The democrats showed who they were when they voted for the war with Iraq and bailing out the banks. They're not good people, they just pretend to be 'nice' and to not enjoy the cruelty.

Because I'm an absolute dumbass full of copium, even I am thinking stupid 'maybe something good will happen' thoughts these days. Maybe Trump is Hoover. Maybe AGI will be achieved in 2029. Maybe AOC will be president then, and instead of throwing the bulk of humanity into a woodchipper they'll give us some energy rations to not starve to death. Maybe.

[BulletMagnet]

The city has its own history, culture, and mythology.

Indeed it does, and 9/11 and its inherent Islamophobia has been a big, big part of it for the last quarter-century; as was already noted, the dog whistles aimed at Mamdani were no more restrained than anything you'd hear in a "red" district.

There are still plenty of obstacles to overcome, to be sure - any voting bloc which has no problem with their leaders speaking about them like this simply cannot be reasoned with, and a lot more people need to call out the Dem establishment for maliciously pretending otherwise - but the fact that, as one headline rather succinctly summed it up, "The Worst People In Politics Are Freaking Out Over Mamdani" can only be cause for cautious optimism, even in NYC.

My scenario where the wealthy carve up the world and effectively have their own private countries where they get to be god is obviously their ideal world.

The likes of Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel openly avow this, it's not even remotely a secret.

[BryanM]

lol, Peter Thiel is kind of a looming background figure when it comes to AI. Like I've said before, Jeffrey Epstein had some ideas about how a technological singularity could go. His best friend Bill Gates being in a position of significant power does not inspire much hopium.

Second Thought has an essay up about how Rich People Love Fascism. It really... really is ridiculous that anyone thought corporate democrats had any humanity in them at all. History is a thing you can look at. Propping up murderous dictators like Pinochet, repeatedly trying to assassinate Fidel Castro which is treated just like a li'l joke. (Just imagine what they'd say if Iran tried to kill Ben. All while Israel is murdering their generals, ambassadors, and other officials left right and center.) The coup against Thomas in Burkina Faso, etc etc.

Bernie isn't remotely the first person to be ratfucked and wasn't the last. Rat fucking leftists is a constant thing the Democratic party does all the time. Like how they overturned a chair election in California, that write-in campaign to overthrow a primary where what's-her-face won, etc. Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel were substantially better than any shitlib, I don't think I've ever seen anyone on TV as anti-war as Mike, and both were kept far, far away from having any real power.

If you ignored what you saw on TV (because it's only a TV show. They show you what they want you to see.), and were a hardcore politics dweeb that went to sites like Daily Kos and really dug into how the sausage was made, none of the democrat's current shittery is remotely a surprise. They work for the banks. They work for the military industrial complex. They don't work for the people who do all the work.

It was just too overwhelming for someone to not notice. You have to intentionally delude yourself to believe they want good things, but gosh darn it have no choice but to keep moving to the right every election.

It's like how quash chose to live inside of an illusion, where Trump was a racist Bernie Sanders and then was Yang Gang. And was snippy when he kept claiming Bernie Sanders was a corporate sellout..... when selling out at the ripe age of 80 years after a lifetime of giving a shit and making things better for people really seems like a poor life strategy. You kinda... want to sell out when you can still enjoy the hookers and cocaine, imo.

He just doesn't like Bernie Sanders's aesthetics, it didn't have anything to do with rational reasoning. Humans are moved by emotions, not reason.

I remember Ben Dixon talking about one of the first conversations he had at a lunch with a congress critter. Much like any young bloke, he was full of idealism with dreams of reform. And the guy poured cold water over his head immediately: "Ben, I like how things are."

It's also amusing how one of Mamdani's planks is 100% defund the police, but sold with more moderate language. But NYPD's union 100% understands what cutting down mission creep and overtime entails, and they HATE IT. They fought hard for that slice of the pie, and well, let's just hope they don't kidnap the mayor's daughter again this time.

Like I said, emotional animals. It's like the Fatigue/Rest system in World of Warcraft. Swap some words around and use a gentler tone of voice and people will hand over the entire world. Hey, it worked for the shitlibs for so long, eh?

(... I noticed yesterday the Something Awful C-Spam forums were closed down, which is heartbreaking to me personally. Corporate libs and leftists shouldn't intermingle with one another, it's the same as like yelling at nazis on twitter. Nothing positive can come of it....)

[BryanM]

DNC: "We need a Joe Rogan of the left!"

Some Dumb Normo: "What about Hasan? He's a masculine fellow, and seems quite popular. Has the unique skill to talk to people like a normal human being, too."

DNC: "No! Not like that!"

Some choice quotes from the comment section:

"I just know they are paying that guy peanuts and the consultant that suggested it, milllions."

"During the GWB administration, the Republicans had a "Young Guns" caucus...... All of them were over 50yo."



My primary hope for a Sanders administration wasn't even anything to do with legislation, it was solely about purging the party of this scum to undo the damage the Clinton purge did...

... this reminds me of the documentary Spin that mainly covered how a few rich guys decided to make Bill Clinton the president. And then they did. How far they've come since then, eh.

(And of course there's a thorough rat-fucking of the progressive guy in that race as a sidequest. God how much they wish it were still that easy.... and now I'm reminded of that mother fucker Howard Dean. They rat-fucked him, too, and then he was happy to stab Bernie in the back as much as Liz did. It's a whole endless tapestry of fuckers who want us all to die, I tells ya.)


... by god doesn't Spin's synopsis really nail elections: "floating TV talk-show", indeed.