Raiden III x MIKADO MANIAX

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Steven wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:47 am
davyK wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:53 pmThe Steam version is just plain broken.
The original one? I don't have it and it's gone now, but III Mikado is weird in that it either works mostly fine aside from some very aggressive screen tearing or has the flash shot glitch, which is probably bad enough to be game-ruining. Nobody seems to have figured out why some people have the flash shot glitch and others don't. I don't have the flash shot glitch, so I've been having a lot of fun with this game, but other people do have it and it's apparently quite bad for them.
I feel like I blind-dodged a Seibu boss pattern IRL, with PS4 Mikado III running so nice. >_> Like the poor pricks either side of me came home to smouldering craters where their cars should be, cat's all sooty and won't come out of the tree, the whole nine.

What the fuck? (■`w´■)
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BIL wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:03 am
Steven wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:47 am
davyK wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:53 pmThe Steam version is just plain broken.
The original one? I don't have it and it's gone now, but III Mikado is weird in that it either works mostly fine aside from some very aggressive screen tearing or has the flash shot glitch, which is probably bad enough to be game-ruining. Nobody seems to have figured out why some people have the flash shot glitch and others don't. I don't have the flash shot glitch, so I've been having a lot of fun with this game, but other people do have it and it's apparently quite bad for them.
I feel like I blind-dodged a Seibu boss pattern IRL, with PS4 Mikado III running so nice. >_> Like the poor pricks either side of me came home to smouldering craters where their cars should be, cat's all sooty and won't come out of the tree, the whole nine.

What the fuck? (■`w´■)
Maybe that was the original platform the port was developed for, and everything else was just a half-assed conversion from that.
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Udderdude wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:35 pmMaybe that was the original platform the port was developed for, and everything else was just a half-assed conversion from that.
Now you mention it, that sounds unfortunately plausible. :o
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BIL wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:03 am
Steven wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:47 am
davyK wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:53 pmThe Steam version is just plain broken.
The original one? I don't have it and it's gone now, but III Mikado is weird in that it either works mostly fine aside from some very aggressive screen tearing or has the flash shot glitch, which is probably bad enough to be game-ruining. Nobody seems to have figured out why some people have the flash shot glitch and others don't. I don't have the flash shot glitch, so I've been having a lot of fun with this game, but other people do have it and it's apparently quite bad for them.
I feel like I blind-dodged a Seibu boss pattern IRL, with PS4 Mikado III running so nice. >_> Like the poor pricks either side of me came home to smouldering craters where their cars should be, cat's all sooty and won't come out of the tree, the whole nine.

What the fuck? (■`w´■)
lol right? MOSS is very inconsistent, but they are consistent in that they seem to always do something wrong. I have a feeling that this, or something similar, is probably what happened:
Udderdude wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:35 pm Maybe that was the original platform the port was developed for, and everything else was just a half-assed conversion from that.
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Lemnear wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:02 am R is the only missile type to use practically.

So far I have learned that:

Stage 1: any weapon you want
Boss 1: Blue. You rush it immediately and destroy the first tank before the second one even arrives.

Stage 2: any non-Blue weapon, there is a moment in the middle of the stage with several tanks, some of which are rotating and they spam 360 degrees and the blue laser is too slow to clear the screen easily... it can be done but you might as well make things easier and use the other 2 weapons.
Boss 2: same thing, because it has two cannons on the sides that are best removed immediately for convenience, as well as the extra zakos it calls. Maybe the green laser is the most suitable.

Stage 3: strangely, any weapon is fine here.
Boss 3: Any weapon is good here, this boss has some nice patterns and I saw that there is a safe-spot in the final stage, in the top center but every time I tried it it never worked... I suck at safe-spots...

Stage 4: One of the two lasers.. the Vulcan (Red) is less optimal for clearing the screen, especially the spider-mecha in the middle of the level, but also for the meteors at the beginning (on the right between the meteors is the second fairy).
Boss 4: Same thing as above, in the first stage it has some pieces to destroy on the sides, and it is useful to remove them immediately, maybe the green laser can hit both the center part and one of the two sides at the right trajectory.

Stage 5: ANYTHING that is not the blue laser. The stage is full of cannons that activate practically in the middle of the screen and the blue laser is too slow to remove them quickly.
Boss 5: any weapon....I think I've always dodged the first pattern by luck...otherwise I use my first bomb here. The rest of his patterns are very nice.

Stage 6: Everything is very linear until the "Tower", maybe it's better to use the green laser there since it does pierce damage and passes through everything.
Boss 6: I dodge the first pattern with another bomb (sad), the rest is doable, another boss with nice patterns.

Stage 7: it has a phase similar to that of stage 2, but with more enemies, only that here they are mostly deployed in a grid so the two lasers are better than the vulcan.
Boss 7: I have no idea how to do the initial part if not by spamming the remaining bombs...the final phase (the one with only the crystal) is strangely much easier than the first one.

more or less this is how I'm approaching it, the hardest part is having the right weapon at the right time and not missing the R-missiles (and maybe accidentally swapping them with others).
davyK wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:45 pm You have to destroy all of the cranes at the sides of the screen in order to get the level 3 1up.
Oh THANK YOU!!! :D
Is the only 1UP ?
made it to stage 5 today on normal, primarily because I switched to vulcan on stage 3/4 based on your feedback tbh. I really dislike the proton laser tho
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Lemnear wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:02 am
davyK wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:45 pm You have to destroy all of the cranes at the sides of the screen in order to get the level 3 1up.
Oh THANK YOU!!! :D
Is the only 1UP ?

There's another 1UP in level 6. To get that you have to destroy the large rings that run up the centre of the screen.

That green laser is a troll or joke - depending on your point of view.

Use RED for the level and BLUE for the bosses. Blue on level 6 makes getting the 1up easier.

BIL wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:03 am
Steven wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:47 am
davyK wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:53 pmThe Steam version is just plain broken.
The original one? I don't have it and it's gone now, but III Mikado is weird in that it either works mostly fine aside from some very aggressive screen tearing or has the flash shot glitch, which is probably bad enough to be game-ruining. Nobody seems to have figured out why some people have the flash shot glitch and others don't. I don't have the flash shot glitch, so I've been having a lot of fun with this game, but other people do have it and it's apparently quite bad for them.
I feel like I blind-dodged a Seibu boss pattern IRL, with PS4 Mikado III running so nice. >_> Like the poor pricks either side of me came home to smouldering craters where their cars should be, cat's all sooty and won't come out of the tree, the whole nine.

What the fuck? (■`w´■)
The "old" version of Raiden III on steam - called Digital Version works fine on my PC. I'm glad I got it before it was delisted. The Mikado version is broken on my PC. And the Switch version has slowdown in some parts - seems to vary depending on whether docked or not but I haven't really made a proper study of it. I also have the PS2 version which runs just fine.
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davyK wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:27 pm
There's another 1UP in level 6. To get that you have to destroy the large rings that run up the centre of the screen.

That green laser is a troll or joke - depending on your point of view.

Use RED for the level and BLUE for the bosses. Blue on level 6 makes getting the 1up easier.
I don't know sometimes there are more enemies in rows (that shoot) and the Vulcan only eliminates the first row, then the second etc. but in the meantime they shoot from all directions... so sometimes the Green Laser that cleans a bit like a "windshield wiper" seems more convenient to me. It's also fun to use.

Anyway i understand that it's "an ancient custom" the tank that snipes you, but here they abuse it a little too much, practically every zako passes to the sides of the screen to place itself next to you and shoot horizontally -_- at a certain point it becomes almost irritating.
Some-Mist wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:35 pm made it to stage 5 today on normal, primarily because I switched to vulcan on stage 3/4 based on your feedback tbh. I really dislike the proton laser tho
The blue laser is way too strong, but the ship moves really slowly to allow you to clean the screen quickly.
The most ridiculous part is that on the wiki it says it goes at Mach 10 :lol:
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Lemnear wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:00 pm The blue laser is way too strong, but the ship moves really slowly to allow you to clean the screen quickly.
The most ridiculous part is that on the wiki it says it goes at Mach 10 :lol:
the blue laser (ion laser) is my fav weapon tbh, it's the proton laser (toothpaste-esque one) that I have the most trouble with because of the mirrored aiming controls
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Raiden IV is fine - have it for PC and Switch.

Raiden III is the one with issues on some platforms.
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Lemnear wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:00 pm
davyK wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:27 pm
There's another 1UP in level 6. To get that you have to destroy the large rings that run up the centre of the screen.

That green laser is a troll or joke - depending on your point of view.

Use RED for the level and BLUE for the bosses. Blue on level 6 makes getting the 1up easier.
I don't know sometimes there are more enemies in rows (that shoot) and the Vulcan only eliminates the first row, then the second etc. but in the meantime they shoot from all directions... so sometimes the Green Laser that cleans a bit like a "windshield wiper" seems more convenient to me. It's also fun to use.

Anyway i understand that it's "an ancient custom" the tank that snipes you, but here they abuse it a little too much, practically every zako passes to the sides of the screen to place itself next to you and shoot horizontally -_- at a certain point it becomes almost irritating.
Some-Mist wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:35 pm made it to stage 5 today on normal, primarily because I switched to vulcan on stage 3/4 based on your feedback tbh. I really dislike the proton laser tho
The blue laser is way too strong, but the ship moves really slowly to allow you to clean the screen quickly.
The most ridiculous part is that on the wiki it says it goes at Mach 10 :lol:

Another tip - crank the difficulty down to training and clear the game by credit feeding. That unlocks the Boss Rush mode which lets you also select which boss you want to fight first. It also lets you start the main game at any level you want. Both useful for training. They really should have had the 2nd feature unlocked from the start in my opinion.
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Some-Mist wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:45 pm
Lemnear wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:00 pm The blue laser is way too strong, but the ship moves really slowly to allow you to clean the screen quickly.
The most ridiculous part is that on the wiki it says it goes at Mach 10 :lol:
the blue laser (ion laser) is my fav weapon tbh, it's the proton laser (toothpaste-esque one) that I have the most trouble with because of the mirrored aiming controls
One of the few SHMUPS i completed at 1CC (among the "respectable" ones) was Under Defeat HD, and even there i used the inverted controls to shoot diagonally, so overall i'm fine with this shot-type, maybe that's why i find it fun to use.
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davyK wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:28 am Steam knocked a few pounds off this so I bit...

(quad dip - PS2,original PC, Switch).

The Switch version's slowdown had me eyeing this for a while as I fancied having a modern version on PC.

What a mess - stuttering madness right from the off. No sign of it being addressed in the steam forums.

Refunded. What a pity. What is it with this game? Raiden IV is fine. I presume it must have originally run on a weird hardware platform?
Returned to the Switch port today. (I usually play the old PC version) Playing it docked. It's not as bad as I remember docked. Noticed occasional stutter on level 4 but not game breaking. Haven't noticed issues in other levels. The soundtracks are sweet.
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PS5 version runs locked at 4k 60. Ironically the earlier game looks crisper than RIV Mikado and way better than V because it was ported later.
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Game has seen an huge performance improvement on Switch 2. No stutters or slowdown in sight. Raiden Nova as well. Reports coming that Switch 2 has lower input delay on a bunch of STGs like DoDonpachi SDJ.
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Interesting, because according to Nintendo's own compatibility site Raiden III is on the "doesn't launch or serious progress issues" list. That's as of launch day though.

Did you need to install an update to the game or did it just work?
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TransatlanticFoe wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 10:36 am Interesting, because according to Nintendo's own compatibility site Raiden III is on the "doesn't launch or serious progress issues" list. That's as of launch day though.

Did you need to install an update to the game or did it just work?
Don't know if updated. I left it doing a system transfer over night...

Just did another quick play on stage 4 that would usually stutter a lot...Yeah the difference is huge. Bonds well for the Switch STG catalogue.
Btw the loadings are so fast now. Near non existent...
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Sorry for the double post but some reports online claim there's less input delay on overall shmups on Switch 2. If true this might be thread worthy?

https://x.com/kiyomaryu/status/1931550661398937742

https://x.com/raven7518darius/status/19 ... 1769543858
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DenimDemon wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 1:26 pm Sorry for the double post but some reports online claim there's less input delay on overall shmups on Switch 2. If true this might be thread worthy?

https://x.com/kiyomaryu/status/1931550661398937742

https://x.com/raven7518darius/status/19 ... 1769543858
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