What new games have you played this year?

[Lemnear]

As my first PS5 game, what do I prioritize? FF XVI (Complete Edition) or Stellar Blade?

Honestly? None of the above; Astro's Playroom.

Out of the games you mentioned (and excluding DeS as I've only played the original), Returnal is by far my favorite. Much better combat than Stellar Blade, more replayable, more interesting environments and story. Though I second Steven's recommendation and would additionally recommend Astro Bot as a first full game; it's damn-near a perfect platformer in my opinion.

Well yes it seems obvious to me, it's pre-installed, and precisely because it's pre-installed I don't feel like getting AstroBot right away , not immediately.

[Sumez]

I knew this going in, so it didn't detract so much from the game as it could have, had I experienced a genuinely engaging platformer. But Astro Bot is A LOT of "hey look at how fun we're having" and less "here's a stage, have some fun on your own". I don't mind the difficulty being extremely low, but there are long stretches where you're pretty much just holding a direction or mashing a button while the game does the playing for you. Some times you'll just doing a couple of basic inputs while the game acts like crazy things are going down, which is honestly only a tiny step away from those QTE boss fights everyone hates.

Obviously Astro Bot takes a LOT away from Mario, and honestly I only respect it for that. Most of what it copies is things I wish way more games would do. The way everything seems moving and interactive, all the tiny attentions to detail, just makes the game feel super alive and joyful the way a high budget game SHOULD do. I really hope this is where AAA companies choose to spend their budgets going forward. But it also makes it impossible to not compare it to Mario.
While my favourite 3D Mario games - 64 and Galaxy 1 - are also both incredibly easy games, they never really do that "on-rails" stuff that Astro Bot does. Mostly everything that happens in those games, happens based on the player's action moreso than the game's. It's not bad enough in Astro Bot that I'd argue it's not a fantastic experience - I was so enthralled I couldn't put it down until I had 100%'ed it! - but it does make the difference between a 10/10 game and an 8/10 one in my book.

[Steven]

Yep, that ^^^ all is true. But of course I've never played Super Mario 64 so I don't know how it compares to that game. Otherwise, yes, I agree entirely.

Astro Bot's good, maybe because it's one of only a handful of PS5 exclusives on a system so desperate for them, and no, R-Type Final 3 Evolved doesn't count, but I honestly liked Astro's Playroom more. Don't ask why because I don't know why. I just liked Playroom more for some reason. Both worth playing? Yes, absolutely. Best games ever made, or even best games released in the years in which they were released? Lol no... although I also can't remember what of note released in 2020 besides Astro's Playroom. M2 ShotTriggers released something in that year that I'm too lazy to check, so it would probably be whatever that was.

[XoPachi]

So before the year was out, I bought Shadow Generations, Parking Garage Rally, Astro Lancer, Grapple Dogs, and Magenta Horizon.
And I was happy to finally give a long time friend money for his game Atlyss even if it's not quite my style of game these days.

I also play Marvel Rivals with my friends since I'm sick of getting left out of multiplayer shit. They don't leave me out, just all the games that get popular among my online and in person friend groups I never like. Rivals could be...better, but it could be WAY the fuck worse all things considered. It's less than 50 gigs and free, so I just play it with them now.

I need to clear some lighter backlog games before I really sit down and play Magenta Horizon because I feel like that's gonna be a game you have to be incredibly serious about. But it's immediately great.

I'd have liked Shadow Generations more if this were like...2012, but I just found it kind of boring mostly with a lot of weird performance and design issues. I should have waited for a bigger sale because I don't feel like $40 was worth it as someone that already owns half the package.

[Lemnear]

I tried the FFXVI Demo, and in the end I took that as the first PS5 game (the version with the 2 DLC) , it seemed much more "complete" than Stellar Blade. Something tells me that Yoshi P has seen and enjoyed Game of Thrones.
It was what I was looking for anyway, a game with pumped graphics, fantasy (or sci-fi) settings, compelling plot, spectacular Eikon fights, I don't care much about exploration, and for the combat system I can't say, it's my first non-turn-based FF, it looks like a simplified version of a Souls.
I really like the feature to immediately pounce on enemies .

[Lander]

I'm enjoying the trend of grim western fantasy trying to flip the script on 'uncool' character names.

Despair, evil, for thy destroyer's name is CLIVE

[Lemnear]

DEATH STRANDING 2 PRE-ORDER TRAILER

I thought I could escape the charms of Hideo Kojima...but it's like giving up drugs...

[Sumez]

I must be fortunate that nothing of that looks intriguing to me XD

I'd be lying if I said I'm not morbidly curious about Death Stranding (both 1 and 2) - but even thinking of actually playing it just feels like a chore

[Lemnear]

I must be fortunate that nothing of that looks intriguing to me XD

I'd be lying if I said I'm not morbidly curious about Death Stranding (both 1 and 2) - but even thinking of actually playing it just feels like a chore

The first one was "an experience", I can't even classify it as a game (not totally), nor as a movie or TV series... it's an experience! Unique in its genre, I wouldn't even know what to compare it to.

The way it gradually immerses you in a totally dystopian and absurd world, but unlike other games, you are not the newcomer alien to all of this, but rather an integral part of it with a specific task, that is, carrying things.
You have a daily routine within this world with its rules. Sleeping, having breakfast, washing, drinking, going to the bathroom absurdly, and taking care of your baby, things that a parent would do in everyday life but translated into an absurd world.
I also appreciated the huge management part of the routes, the equipment, the loads to carry, the ideal routes, the weather updates, where to build structures etc.
The plot is crazy and has some crazy twists.

But I played it on Day1, perhaps there were many more structures from other players than there are today.

PS: Don't try to understand it. Feel it

[Lemnear]

anyway I tried the Demo of The Crew: Motorfest for fun, and I realized how much I miss racing games with speedboats like Rapid Racer...is it possible that there aren't any?
Do I really have to buy a Ubisoft game to be able to race speedboats?

[Lemnear]

I'm enjoying the trend of grim western fantasy trying to flip the script on 'uncool' character names.

Despair, evil, for thy destroyer's name is CLIVE

The funny thing is that there is an NPC who makes fun of Clive when he finds out his name (he normally uses a pseudonym), so SE knows that it is not an intimidating name at all

As my first PS5 game, what do I prioritize? FF XVI (Complete Edition) or Stellar Blade?

I know exactly what kind of game they are, I even tried the demo of FFXVI, and I don't know if I should start with one or the other, I wouldn't want Stellar Blade to make the combat of FF look boring, or the story of FF to make Stellar Blade look like a plotless game

Also they are the only two interesting games (for me) on sale now, Ratchet & Clank//Demon's Souls//Returnal are at full price and honestly I won't buy them at full price now.

Marathon, Death Stranding 2 and GOY aren't out yet...and neither is Silksong, and I doubt it's worth picking up Elden Ring for a second time.

Honestly? None of the above; Astro's Playroom.

and what games would you recommend? (yes I know you'd say I got the wrong console directly...) T_T

As my first PS5 game, what do I prioritize? FF XVI (Complete Edition) or Stellar Blade?

Out of the games you mentioned (and excluding DeS as I've only played the original), Returnal is by far my favorite. Much better combat than Stellar Blade, more replayable, more interesting environments and story. Though I second Steven's recommendation and would additionally recommend Astro Bot as a first full game; it's damn-near a perfect platformer in my opinion.

I played DeS on PS3 the day after the launch, I bought the collector's edition without knowing what it was, so I took it and started blindly (I used to do it more often)
It took me 2 months to finish it, it totally struck me and I finished it 4 times completing all the "side-quests" too.
Now I don't know if I should pick it up again for PS5 or pick up Elden Ring for PS5 (again), I have the game in the physical PS4 version, but I have a slim digital :'(

[Steven]

and what games would you recommend? (yes I know you'd say I got the wrong console directly...) T_T

You're right, and I will!

I have no idea what's on PS5, though, so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sonic Mania.

[Sumez]

Most of the stuff I've been playing on my PS5 either exists on PS4, or are literally just PS4 games running on my PS5. And it's fine, I guess. No reason to fire up my PS4 ever again I think?

It's useful just for the fact that devs don't give a shit about performance, so it's probably the best option for playing PS4 games at a decent framerate. Gotta wait for PS6 to play your PS5 games.
Sonic Frontiers looks like garbage, like something that shouldn't have problems pushing 60FPS on an X360. But you probably want to play that on a PS5 if you want to play it at all.

Either way, Returnal fucking rocks. The best PS5 game was a launch title, and it's probably still the best one. Unless you can get Baba Is You on PS5.

[Steven]

That most PS5 games are just PS4 ports is the system's greatest flaw, and why I largely have no idea what is even on the system, and its ability to run PS4 games better than the PS4 is its greatest strength. In other words, the PS5 mostly sucks. My right analog stick is weird now, too. At least it is the controller that I bought before I got my PS5, so I still have the one that came in the box, which I've never used.

The best PS5 game was a launch title, and it's probably still the best one.

Astro's Playroom?

[Sumez]

The best PS5 game was a launch title, and it's probably still the best one.

Astro's Playroom?

If you read the five words preceeding the bit you quoted, you'd quickly realise that no it's definitely not Astro's Playroom.
I guess it wasn't technically a launch title? But it was close enough, considering no one had a PS5 yet at the time.

its ability to run PS4 games better than the PS4 is its greatest strength. In other words, the PS5 mostly sucks.

The PS4 already sucks though, but has a lot of great games on it. So having another console that sucks but with access to that entire library, and handling it better, is pretty good honestly.
It's probably the best choice out there if you want a console playing stuff the Switch can't handle.

[Lemnear]

Well I'm not complaining since I paid relatively little after all

Spoiler

but the more I try it the more I'm noticing that I literally only have TWO PS5 Only games (FFXVI and Ratchet & Clank), the others are all cross... and paradoxically only 2 games run at 60fps and 4K Native and they are not those .
However Raiden III has no input lag honestly, IN FACT, if I use the Hori Fighting Commander I would dare say that it is even less than on the PS4 version

[Steven]

The best PS5 game was a launch title, and it's probably still the best one.

Astro's Playroom?

If you read the five words preceeding the bit you quoted, you'd quickly realise that no it's definitely not Astro's Playroom.
I guess it wasn't technically a launch title? But it was close enough, considering no one had a PS5 yet at the time.

I don't keep track of what games were available at launch, and Astro's Playroom is the only one I know of that both released on launch day and that people seem to care about even now. It still gets updates on occasion, for that matter.

its ability to run PS4 games better than the PS4 is its greatest strength. In other words, the PS5 mostly sucks.

The PS4 already sucks though, but has a lot of great games on it. So having another console that sucks but with access to that entire library, and handling it better, is pretty good honestly.
It's probably the best choice out there if you want a console playing stuff the Switch can't handle.

I don't think there has honestly been a truly good console since the Gamecube or maybe the 360. The PS3 is questionable, partially due to its awful hardware being unreliable. It used to have a ton of exclusives, but not anymore. You've got MGS 4, Tales of Xillia 1 and 2, some iM@S stuff... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Tokyo Jungle........... and that's about it. MGS 4 might be included in the next Master Collection if lazy Konmai ever feels like releasing it, but we'll see. I wonder what will become of the "Snake, we're on PS3! We don't need to change the disc!" part in such a case. A port of Xillia 1 may or may not have been leaked like a year ago, but we'll see about that too.

That said, yeah, the best use of the PS5 is to play PS4 games better than the PS4 can, or maybe to be a cheap 4K BD player, but of course the PS5 sucks at even that unless you hack it. Fighting game humans seem to HATE the PS5 versions of fighting games because they are super laggy compared to playing the PS4 versions of the same games on the PS5. Raiden IV (not a fighting game, of course) is like this and City of the Wolves seems to be like this, too, at least as of the first beta, but I'm sure someone will lag test the new beta once it's time.

I literally only have TWO PS5 Only games

Yep, the PS5 has very few games, and almost all of them are also on PC/PS4/Switch anyway, with identical or comparable performance and/or graphics on PS4 in many cases, and also sometimes better input lag using the PS4 versions on PS5 instead of the PS5 versions.

Here is my entire PS5 library:
Astro's Playroom
Astro Bot
Unicorn Overlord
Sonic Frontiers
Sonic Origins
Sonic Superstars
Raiden Nova
SMT V Vengeance

That's it. The only reason I got the Sega games on PS5 is because of Denuvo on PC, making the PS5 versions the de facto best versions (but Sonic Origins and Superstars both suck anyway and SMT V isn't much better. At least Frontiers is pretty decent for a 3D Sonic game!), and the only reason I got Raiden Nova on PS5 is because I wanted the CD in the limited edition. This game sucks too, unfortunately. That leaves Unicorn Overlord, which is on everything except PC, and Astro, both of which are only on PS5. I have only two exclusives, one of which comes with the system. Hm. I have more exclusives for the fucking SuperGrafx, a system that only has five games. At least Tatsujin Extreme will come eventually.

Anyway, check out some PS5 demos. I think Sonic Frontiers has one, or at least it did on Switch, and Unicorn Overlord does and that game is both cool and good as long as you don't care about the story, which is just kind of there. The system's library is pretty slim at best and that's being exceptionally generous, and probably more generous than it deserves. You did get a damn good deal on the system, though, so at least there is that.

I see you are missing Astro Bot, which I'd say is in the "it's good enough" category and also definitely in the "it's only on PS5" category, so might as well take a look, especially if you can get it for a cheap price. It's basically just more of Astro's Playroom, so if you liked that, there you go. It's cute and the game's design is solid in general, but it's really easy and often feels like it's going through the motions or being another PS5 tech demo like its free predecessor, but it's both a good tech demo and what's available for now and there isn't a whole lot else.

[Sumez]

I don't keep track of what games were available at launch, and Astro's Playroom is the only one I know of that both released on launch day and that people seem to care about even now. It still gets updates on occasion, for that matter.

I literally said Returnal in the same line of text. Not sure why you keep talking about Astro's Playroom.

I don't think PC is really a comparable platform yet. There is no fucking way I'm going to invest in a dedicated video game PC with a power comparable to PS5. It would cost several times as much, take up even more space, and I'd still have to bother with PC software and stuff like Steam. That is all way worse than having to deal with a PS5 in my book, and the only downside is that I'm missing out a couple of indie releases which are probably never making it to consoles. But those aren't getting physical releases anyway.

With all-in-one solutions like the Steam Deck we are slowly getting there, but we aren't there quite yet.

[Lemnear]

Yep, the PS5 has very few games, and almost all of them are also on PC/PS4/Switch anyway, with identical or comparable performance and/or graphics on PS4 in many cases, and also sometimes better input lag using the PS4 versions on PS5 instead of the PS5 versions.

Here is my entire PS5 library:
Astro's Playroom
Astro Bot
Unicorn Overlord
Sonic Frontiers
Sonic Origins
Sonic Superstars
Raiden Nova
SMT V Vengeance

That's it. The only reason I got the Sega games on PS5 is because of Denuvo on PC, making the PS5 versions the de facto best versions (but Sonic Origins and Superstars both suck anyway and SMT V isn't much better. At least Frontiers is pretty decent for a 3D Sonic game!), and the only reason I got Raiden Nova on PS5 is because I wanted the CD in the limited edition. This game sucks too, unfortunately. That leaves Unicorn Overlord, which is on everything except PC, and Astro, both of which are only on PS5. I have only two exclusives, one of which comes with the system. Hm. I have more exclusives for the fucking SuperGrafx, a system that only has five games. At least Tatsujin Extreme will come eventually.

Anyway, check out some PS5 demos. I think Sonic Frontiers has one, or at least it did on Switch, and Unicorn Overlord does and that game is both cool and good as long as you don't care about the story, which is just kind of there. The system's library is pretty slim at best and that's being exceptionally generous, and probably more generous than it deserves. You did get a damn good deal on the system, though, so at least there is that.

I see you are missing Astro Bot, which I'd say is in the "it's good enough" category and also definitely in the "it's only on PS5" category, so might as well take a look, especially if you can get it for a cheap price. It's basically just more of Astro's Playroom, so if you liked that, there you go. It's cute and the game's design is solid in general, but it's really easy and often feels like it's going through the motions or being another PS5 tech demo like its free predecessor, but it's both a good tech demo and what's available for now and there isn't a whole lot else.

Everyone told me Sonic Superstars sucks...good thing for Sonic Frontiers, I tried it briefly but didn't get it, I thought it was "bland-monotonous-filler" as a 3D platformer.
However, if we consider PS5/PC, it has enough exclusives, but if we go to see the PS5 ONLY, the list is reduced to .... 6? Astro's Playroom, Astrobot, Demon's Souls Remake,R-Type Final 3 and Tatsujin Extreme, I don't know how to consider GT7 being cross-platform but still between PlayStations. (Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei will 100% come to PC sooner or later).
Strange how it is the only modern console to have TWO exclusive SHMUPS
For Astrobot I'm waiting for the biggest sales. On the other hand, until the 20th there is Ninja Gaiden 2 Black discounted by 20%, but... I've never played a 3D one... in fact I don't think I've played many games of that type (DMC1 for the vibe!)

I don't think PC is really a comparable platform yet. There is no fucking way I'm going to invest in a dedicated video game PC with a power comparable to PS5.

I could NEVER EVER get a PC that can handle gaming like the PS5 at the price I got it for, so I want to get the most out of this great deal

[Steven]

I don't keep track of what games were available at launch, and Astro's Playroom is the only one I know of that both released on launch day and that people seem to care about even now. It still gets updates on occasion, for that matter.

I literally said Returnal in the same line of text. Not sure why you keep talking about Astro's Playroom.

I don't think PC is really a comparable platform yet. There is no fucking way I'm going to invest in a dedicated video game PC with a power comparable to PS5. It would cost several times as much, take up even more space, and I'd still have to bother with PC software and stuff like Steam. That is all way worse than having to deal with a PS5 in my book, and the only downside is that I'm missing out a couple of indie releases which are probably never making it to consoles. But those aren't getting physical releases anyway.

With all-in-one solutions like the Steam Deck we are slowly getting there, but we aren't there quite yet.

You never said that Returnal is the best PS5 game, you just said that it's good, and that an unspecified launch game is the best game on the system. I checked the release dates and Returnal launched like 5 months after the PS5, so it isn't a launch title anyway. Yes, I know it's pedantic, but that's who and how I am, always have been, and always will be.

PC is absolutely a comparable platform; it isn't the 80s anymore when PCs sucked compared to consoles. I guess. I wasn't in the 80s, so I don't know. Arguing that PC is the best game system (it is) is a waste of time because almost everyone on this forum hates PC except for me and maybe three or four others, so I won't bother. I did type two massive paragraphs about how PC is inherently superior to modern consoles, but I deleted them in the end because nobody cares about PC even though it's objectively the best game system.

You are absolutely right about one thing, though: Steam is indeed awful and I hate it.

Hori Fighting Commander

How is that, by the way? I do want a Saturn controller for PS5 and this is the only option without using a converter as far as I know.

Everyone told me Sonic Superstars sucks

It does, for a 2D Sonic game. It fares better than most of the 3D Sonic games, but that doesn't say much. At least they fixed most of the weird glitches, but it's still pretty easy to go out of bounds, which ideally shouldn't happen. Too bad they won't patch in some better music, level design, and boss design. The game needs all of those quite badly. Speaking of 3D Sanic,

...good thing for Sonic Frontiers, I tried it briefly but didn't get it, I thought it was "bland-monotonous-filler" as a 3D platformer.

It's weird. It's also one of the better 3D Sonic games. That by definition means it's not a great game in general, but it's passable and better than the garbage that is Adventure 2, Heroes, 06, Forces, and those night stages in Unleashed... which, yeah, makes it better than most of the 3D Sonic games because that's most of them. The LOD pop-in is really odd and can throw you off at times when you're moving fast and don't have the layouts memorized. I'm sure they could have done something about it if they weren't Sonic Team, but they are, so this is what we get.

I could NEVER EVER get a PC that can handle gaming like the PS5 at the price I got it for, so I want to get the most out of this great deal

I always forget that you practically stole the thing. I just realized it's the slim, too, so you can bolt the disc drive on there too if you wanted to, and given that, even I wouldn't complain. That's one of the most ridiculously good deals I've ever seen.

Since you don't have many PS5 games, you might as well try any PS4 games that you have that don't run that well on PS4 and also have uncapped framerates (they're still capped at 59.94Hz, the PS4's max refresh rate, if you want to be technically correct, but you know) and see what the PS5 can do for them. You'd be surprised, as you'll find that some poorly optimized PS4 games become glorious on PS5. It's the coolest thing about the system. They do have to be games that don't have a 30FPS cap, though, so stuff like Shin Sakura Taisen is unfortunately stuck at 30FPS even on PS5 and there is nothing that can be done about it except reprogramming the game.

For an example, let's go back to 3D Sonic. Sonic Colors has some problems on PS4. Actually, it has problems on everything except a PC emulating the Wii version, but that's a completely different topic. Anyway, the PS4 version of Colors is one of those games that gets fixed by the PS5, which runs it gloriously. It still has unfixed glitches that will never get fixed, which is part of why emulating the Wii version is still the best option, and playing it on an Xbox Series X is better than on PS5, but playing it on PS5 is still one of the better options.

[ryu]

I thought it was obvious he meant Returnal is the best game on the console. Nothing else made sense given the context. But I suppose it's easy to dismiss the statement if you don't agree that it's the best game on PS5.

[it290]

How is that, by the way? I do want a Saturn controller for PS5 and this is the only option without using a converter as far as I know.

I have one and I find the microswitches are kind of tiring (they require more force than a standard membrane button) and the dpad isn't great with diagonals. 8bitdo M30, Retro-Bit Saturn pad, and Betop C3 are all much better in my opinion.

[Steven]

I just realized that I forgot one of my PS5 games: R-Type Final 3 Evolved. There really was no reason to make this version of the game at all.

How is that, by the way? I do want a Saturn controller for PS5 and this is the only option without using a converter as far as I know.

I have one and I find the microswitches are kind of tiring (they require more force than a standard membrane button) and the dpad isn't great with diagonals. 8bitdo M30, Retro-Bit Saturn pad, and Betop C3 are all much better in my opinion.

That is disappointing. The search for a good PS5 Saturn controller continues.

[Lemnear]

Hori Fighting Commander

How is that, by the way? I do want a Saturn controller for PS5 and this is the only option without using a converter as far as I know.

The buttons are clicky, have a travel of less than 2mm and are literally like a mouse, thanks to this for the first time I really appreciated the SHMUPS without auto-fire.
The D-Pad is adjustable from PC for sensitivity and intensity (for each single direction), I love the analog because it has an octagonal base and I find it perfect for moving diagonally without having dead zones, also it has no deadzone being very short, is like a nano-stick in this case.
It's strange that It290 says that the buttons are hard, they have practically no resistance that is the resistance of a PC mouse, which is practically nothing.

I always forget that you practically stole the thing. I just realized it's the slim, too, so you can bolt the disc drive on there too if you wanted to, and given that, even I wouldn't complain. That's one of the most ridiculously good deals I've ever seen.

Since you don't have many PS5 games, you might as well try any PS4 games that you have that don't run that well on PS4 and also have uncapped framerates (they're still capped at 59.94Hz, the PS4's max refresh rate, if you want to be technically correct, but you know) and see what the PS5 can do for them. You'd be surprised, as you'll find that some poorly optimized PS4 games become glorious on PS5. It's the coolest thing about the system. They do have to be games that don't have a 30FPS cap, though, so stuff like Shin Sakura Taisen is unfortunately stuck at 30FPS even on PS5 and there is nothing that can be done about it except reprogramming the game.

For an example, let's go back to 3D Sonic. Sonic Colors has some problems on PS4. Actually, it has problems on everything except a PC emulating the Wii version, but that's a completely different topic. Anyway, the PS4 version of Colors is one of those games that gets fixed by the PS5, which runs it gloriously. It still has unfixed glitches that will never get fixed, which is part of why emulating the Wii version is still the best option, and playing it on an Xbox Series X is better than on PS5, but playing it on PS5 is still one of the better options.

Wow not even in the Digital Foundry videos did they ever say that it actually reaches 59.94Hz.
Yes some games run fabulously, and others don't... for example I couldn't wait to try the Crash Bandicoot N'Sane Trilogy at 60fps... and.. instead on PS5 it goes to 25-27fps, less than the 30 of the PS4 version WTF!?!
Curiosity, are the resolution on Raiden III/IV and Under Defeat always at 1080p even in the PS5/XSX versions?

Ah I'm starting to hate that most of the brands I liked are dead :v

It's weird. It's also one of the better 3D Sonic games. That by definition means it's not a great game in general, but it's passable and better than the garbage that is Adventure 2, Heroes, 06, Forces, and those night stages in Unleashed... which, yeah, makes it better than most of the 3D Sonic games because that's most of them. The LOD pop-in is really odd and can throw you off at times when you're moving fast and don't have the layouts memorized. I'm sure they could have done something about it if they weren't Sonic Team, but they are, so this is what we get.

Better if I answer in the appropriate topic!

[it290]

The buttons are clicky, have a travel of less than 2mm and are literally like a mouse, thanks to this for the first time I really appreciated the SHMUPS without auto-fire.
The D-Pad is adjustable from PC for sensitivity and intensity (for each single direction), I love the analog because it has an octagonal base and I find it perfect for moving diagonally without having dead zones, also it has no deadzone being very short, is like a nano-stick in this case.
It's strange that It290 says that the buttons are hard, they have practically no resistance that is the resistance of a PC mouse, which is practically nothing.

To be fair, I think I'd get tired if I had to mash my mouse button several times a second for 30 minutes as well. I play Street Fighter and due to the size of the buttons claw is the only viable grip which exacerbates the issue. And regardless of adjustment, I found special and super inputs to be more difficult on the Octa vs any of those other controllers I mentioned. I also have the previous generation Fighting Commander 4 and that one is also better than the Octa in my opinion.

[Lemnear]

The buttons are clicky, have a travel of less than 2mm and are literally like a mouse, thanks to this for the first time I really appreciated the SHMUPS without auto-fire.
The D-Pad is adjustable from PC for sensitivity and intensity (for each single direction), I love the analog because it has an octagonal base and I find it perfect for moving diagonally without having dead zones, also it has no deadzone being very short, is like a nano-stick in this case.
It's strange that It290 says that the buttons are hard, they have practically no resistance that is the resistance of a PC mouse, which is practically nothing.

To be fair, I think I'd get tired if I had to mash my mouse button several times a second for 30 minutes as well. I play Street Fighter and due to the size of the buttons claw is the only viable grip which exacerbates the issue. And regardless of adjustment, I found special and super inputs to be more difficult on the Octa vs any of those other controllers I mentioned. I also have the previous generation Fighting Commander 4 and that one is also better than the Octa in my opinion.

I only use the claw grip for soulslike (with a standard controller of course)... maybe I don't mind clicking the mouse so much because I've been playing League of Legends for many years (yes, I know... I know what you're thinking...) At the time I had a crew with a dilapidated house in the middle of the fields where we played in groups, 5 expensive PCs, a bathroom, a kitchen and mattresses... we were between Platinum and Diamond, it was another life, lived in an "alternative" way

Yes, I knew that the old Octa Commander was better, but now it is nowhere to be found... and the others require an adapter, and if it hadn't cost that much I would have gotten a Razer Raion instead.

[Steven]

Hori Fighting Commander

How is that, by the way? I do want a Saturn controller for PS5 and this is the only option without using a converter as far as I know.

The buttons are clicky, have a travel of less than 2mm and are literally like a mouse, thanks to this for the first time I really appreciated the SHMUPS without auto-fire.
The D-Pad is adjustable from PC for sensitivity and intensity (for each single direction), I love the analog because it has an octagonal base and I find it perfect for moving diagonally without having dead zones, also it has no deadzone being very short, is like a nano-stick in this case.
It's strange that It290 says that the buttons are hard, they have practically no resistance that is the resistance of a PC mouse, which is practically nothing.

That sounds interesting. I guess I will have to try it and see how it is.

Wow not even in the Digital Foundry videos did they ever say that it actually reaches 59.94Hz.

It's NTSC standard refresh rate, so it's to be expected. FPS and Hz are not necessarily the same, though, and I probably should have said FPS, but I think you get the idea.

Yes some games run fabulously, and others don't... for example I couldn't wait to try the Crash Bandicoot N'Sane Trilogy at 60fps... and.. instead on PS5 it goes to 25-27fps, less than the 30 of the PS4 version WTF!?!

I know there are some PS4 games that don't run properly on PS5. I don't mean games that don't run at all on PS5, for which I believe there is an official list somewhere, but games that do run but not the way they should. I can't name any, but I know they exist. Edit: found a very old list on GameFAQs that may or may not still be accurate: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/26 ... 5/79257109

There are still PS4 games that won't go above 30FPS on PS5 because they're programmed with a 30FPS cap, so any improvements will still depend on both the PS5 and the game in question.

Curiosity, are the resolution on Raiden III/IV and Under Defeat always at 1080p even in the PS5/XSX versions?

I don't have any of those on PS5, so...

[Sumez]

You never said that Returnal is the best PS5 game, you just said that it's good, and that an unspecified launch game is the best game on the system. I checked the release dates and Returnal launched like 5 months after the PS5, so it isn't a launch title anyway. Yes, I know it's pedantic, but that's who and how I am, always have been, and always will be.

The hell

Either way, Returnal fucking rocks. The best PS5 game was a launch title, and it's probably still the best one. Unless you can get Baba Is You on PS5.

I admit I was wrong about it being a launch title. But as you'll probably remember pretty much no one was able to even get a PS5 within those first few months even if they wanted one. So I'm sure most people though of it as a launch title, since that window was pretty wide for this platform

[Steven]

I didn't get the thing until like 3 years after it launched, and I think they announced the slim model only a few months later, along with yet another price increase. I thought these things are supposed to get cheaper over time, not become more expensive. Now it's up to ~80,000 yen for the regular non-Pro version, which is barely less than what I paid to build my computer.

Still, the worst thing about the PS5 is when I look at the system's games and I'm like "where the fuck are all the games for this thing?" and the answer is "on PC/PS4/Switch and barely different if at all lol". I want the thing to have cool exclusive games that can only be done on PS5, but that's not even possible because the most unique thing about the system is its controller, which performs identically on PC.

I'm still not convinced of the controller's durability, either. I feel like those adaptive resistance things in the L2 and R2 buttons are going to break every time I use them, so I'm slightly scared of doing so, and I've already noticed some oddness with the right stick. Fortunately, I don't use the right stick that much, but that also brings up the issue of how something that I don't often use has mechanical failure. The overall design of the controller is largely good, and one of the better post-Saturn controllers, so its sense of fragility is disappointing, especially given its outrageous price. I just wish it had a better d-pad and a much longer battery life. I think my controller's battery life has gotten worse recently, too, as I find myself needing to charge it more than I used to.

[ryu]

I thought these things are supposed to get cheaper over time, not become more expensive.

Pretty sure Sony thought so too and developed the console thinking they could sell for much less a few years down the line. Seems like there's no longer a market for high-end hardware if it never gets cheaper to reach the masses eventually. It's going to be interesting to see where the industry is heading towards now that almost every publisher's switch to subscription based models also didn't pan out as well as they had hoped.

I'm still not convinced of the controller's durability, either.

A friend had stick drift happening on the PS5 controller. I was appaled to learn that a luxury article was that badly engineered.