P-47II MD getting cartridge release after 35 years!
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Let's not beat the bush around... It looks like something you very clearly understand why It was shelved back then.
Sure, better have It than seeing It lost forever I guess... But in the overall Genesis picture i wouldn't even have It mid-tier.
I guess music will make It worthwhile, as It often happens with Jaleco.
Sure, better have It than seeing It lost forever I guess... But in the overall Genesis picture i wouldn't even have It mid-tier.
I guess music will make It worthwhile, as It often happens with Jaleco.
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*splutter* *fume* I very clearly understand?! Keep your BUSH LEAGUE opinions to yourself friendo. (■`w´■) I can't even make a COOLS 90s TUDE ironypost about tawdry shite like Mascot Platformer X or Make My Video 3 sidelining classic genre efforts. That wasn't for a couple years after!
Another possibility is Jaleco attempting to enter the platform with a then-solidly dependable STG effort, before seeing which way the wind was blowing and declining to support the MD altogether. As they did, afaik?

Looks like an estimably rugged mid-tier MD hori to me. That's not an honour I award lightly. ;3 P-47 being 12'oclock straight-up hardcore ala Scramble In Hell, a suitably-leavened MD sequel sounds like a delightful complement, tbh. It might even have an arcade-brisk upper difficulty tier! Or not. We'll see I suppose.But in the overall Genesis picture i wouldn't even have It mid-tier.

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Really? If the game is even just ok, it will already make it better than most shooters on the Genesis. Going up against snoozers like Arrow Flash, Aero Blaster, Sol Deace or Gaiares...
My worry is that P47 II will be too easy as many console shooters from the time were wont to be. It really ought to loop and have a difficulty select, if it doesn't already. Graphics-wise what little we've seen are better than most md shmups. Nice detailed sprites a la Steel Empire (also mid tier!).

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Most of the console-only shooters of that time were not all that great anyway no matter which system they were on, and at this point in time there is very little point in playing most of the home conversions from that time period now that ACA and ShotTriggers and MAME and whatever exist, allowing everyone to play the real versions of most of those games pretty easily and accurately, but hopefully this game is nice.
There is no way in hell that this is going to take Darius Extra's status as best horizontal on the system, but it doesn't really need to as long as it's fun and not boring or super easy. I'm rather hesitant about this game, especially at that price and knowing little to nothing about Jaleco and its games, but I did preorder at Amazon. I don't know if I'll keep that preorder or not, but it is still nice to at least see that companies are still putting out new or previously unreleased games on the MD.
There is no way in hell that this is going to take Darius Extra's status as best horizontal on the system, but it doesn't really need to as long as it's fun and not boring or super easy. I'm rather hesitant about this game, especially at that price and knowing little to nothing about Jaleco and its games, but I did preorder at Amazon. I don't know if I'll keep that preorder or not, but it is still nice to at least see that companies are still putting out new or previously unreleased games on the MD.
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I'm hopeful it might not be Jaleco at all, but NMK themselves. Though even then, I suppose a lot depends on how far along it was, and who's finished it. Should be some interesting lore to this release, if nothing else.
(P-47 and its sequel P-47 Aces were published by Jaleco, but in fact developed by NMK. This happened a lot with NMK and Jaleco, see also Argus, Valtric, and Saint Dragon/Tenseiryuu, plus Thunder Dragon via Tecmo, and Task Force Harrier via UPL. I've never played Aces, though I - of course! - know of its Air-To-Ground Humping System. [The Theme Of P47 Aces] But a lot of my favourite people love it!
As for the original, it's a classy Scramble-esque joint. Pretty fuckin intense in an air-to-ground stylie. I am encouraged by this one's resemblances! Busy zako-filled skies and monster boss machines bristling with cannons. Even the mineshaft stage isn't the swerve one might expect; the OG has some wicked steep terrain straight outta Scramble/Super Cobra, seems more like the natural progression)
Of Jaleco themselves, Exerion and Plus Alpha and Game Tengoku are all pretty cool, and I like both EDF and its SFC port (Upper Mid™ SFC, Lower Mid™ MD), but it's really Cybattler that blew my mahfuckin socks off. I wonder where it even came from, with its Hyper Duel x Shock Troopers feat. Valken mastery. Especially after the tragically shite Formation Z starring Z-DYNE! Maybe it inspired them. >_>
Actually, typing this, I'm starting to suspect they didn't develop Cybattler at all!



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Okay, I laughed. I won't lieI once got busy in a Jaleco bathroom
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This and the fact that if the amazon shipping does not get cheaper upon actual release I'm looking at roughly $150 delivered factoring in custom fees etc. That makes me hesitate even though I really love the MD and releases like this. But that price is a bit much. Hopefully Retro-Bit or someone releases this in the west later on.
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I wasn't able to create an AmiAmi account due to not spelling my name with Japanese characters. Is there a better way to order through them?
Any chance this will appear on an easier site, like Play-Asia?
Any chance this will appear on an easier site, like Play-Asia?
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SuperDeadite wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:28 amYeah the dev posted on Twitter that they never expected to sell so many copies. (Probably didn't even think about all the foreign sales...lol.) And has increased the number of CDs. I really have no interest in knick-knacks, so went for the CD bonus.
In truth game sound tracks typically make me sad as the loops are always too short. Sooner or later a VGM rip will come out and I'll record my own high quality ost via MSX TurboR anyway.
I will admit the B2 poster that comes with the LE is rather badass, but I have no space for it, and the LE is way more then I'd ever spend on it.
Thanks to Steven and SuperDeadite for the heads-up about the dev increasing the Amazon 8cm mini cd ost bonus -- it's listed back for sale again on Amazon Japan as of 12-05-2024. Ordered one with the bonus mini cd with shipping to the USA. Am super stoked.
It seems like another well-crafted "unreleased" MD yoko stg worthy of one's MD/Genesis stg stash/collection alrighty. Have plans to try this particular MD stg hooked up to a Genesis 1 console via Euro scart cable fed into a JammaIZER v2.0 pcb hooked up to a candy cab -- pure retro MD/Genesis gaming at it's best.
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Sure, we'll see. But insofar the sprites clash with backgrounds in a garish way and all I see in terms of prowess is some parallax.
Mind you, the original arcade isn't already stellar in my book. Now the EDFs... Those are something else.

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I do like the old-school, hand painted cover artwork - has that cruft and vibe about it.
I am still on the fence over buying a copy though.
I am still on the fence over buying a copy though.
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Did any of the Japanese MD console magazines (like Mega Drive Fan, etc) ever preview a dev "screenshot" of P-47 II Freedom Fighter (the original working title) back in 1989-1990 (as a "sneak peek" for gamers to look forward to buying upon physical retail release at a later date)?
Sounds like it was quietly under development at the current point in time (in 1990) but canceled for reasons unknown to the general public -- I'm surprised at whatever development state that it was in, was saved for posterity (perhaps as a rare lone dev flash cart that survived the "ravages of time" only to be revived/rescued from the dead). Hmmm...
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Sounds like it was quietly under development at the current point in time (in 1990) but canceled for reasons unknown to the general public -- I'm surprised at whatever development state that it was in, was saved for posterity (perhaps as a rare lone dev flash cart that survived the "ravages of time" only to be revived/rescued from the dead). Hmmm...
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Yup. A good looking "new" game > a port every day of the week for me.EmperorIng wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:32 pm To be honest I would be more excited to play this than the newly-announced SaiDaiOuJou switch port, lol.
I say this with all the respect in the world: you are out of your mind.Turrican wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:03 am Let's not beat the bush around... It looks like something you very clearly understand why It was shelved back then.
Sure, better have It than seeing It lost forever I guess... But in the overall Genesis picture i wouldn't even have It mid-tier.
I guess music will make It worthwhile, as It often happens with Jaleco.

Speaking of which, do we know how far into development they actually got with this back in the day? Because I've been wondering if it's possible that most of the work on the game was actually done recently.
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That's what I'm curious about, too. Time to have a look at those Megadrive Fan issues...PC Engine Fan X! wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:54 pm Did any of the Japanese MD console magazines (like Mega Drive Fan, etc) ever preview a dev "screenshot" of P-47 II Freedom Fighter (the original working title) back in 1989-1990 (as a "sneak peek" for gamers to look forward to buying upon physical retail release at a later date)?
DietSoap wrote:I say this with all the respect in the world: you are out of your mind.This looks totally bonkers cool
It actually doesn't look too shabby (though still low-tier) for 1990, I guess (It helps to put it in context: the year of Darwin 4081, Whip Rush, ThunderForce III, Twin Hawk, Phelios, XDR, Insector X, Space Invaders '90, Hellfire, Arrow Flash, Fire Shark, Atomic Robo-Kid, Elemental Master, Dangerous Seed, Darius II, MUSHA, Gaiares, Heavy Unit). Problem is, Megadrive got three full years after 1990, and in shmups terms those were godly years.
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That classic Renovation Products ad of Gaiares was featured in the highly regarded and well-respected Video Games & Computer Entertainment magazine indeed. The subtle clue/giveaway is the "Circle #XXX on reader service card" that came stapled to the VG&CE mag itself, circle the various codes that interest you and mail it in to learn more about featured advertised games. Easy as pie back in 1989-1990.
Sometimes, video game publishers would send you unexpected promotional swag related to your expressed interest in featured games if you were placed on their "mailing lists" -- it was a part of doing business, as usual, within the American video game industry in connecting/retention with potential customers/fanbase in those days of gaming lore.
Back to the original topic at hand.
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Sometimes, video game publishers would send you unexpected promotional swag related to your expressed interest in featured games if you were placed on their "mailing lists" -- it was a part of doing business, as usual, within the American video game industry in connecting/retention with potential customers/fanbase in those days of gaming lore.
Back to the original topic at hand.
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I happily keep both EDFs around, but there are plenty of its ilk to choose from that gen. Tsukasa Tawada is their star performer imo; the great man even working in Barry Manilow styles.


Conversely, there aren't many horis of P-47's stripped-down, viciously pelting Super Cobra ilk in the MD fold. Fire Mustang is a strong effort but not quite the same, with its deliberately aggressive BOMBA, and similarly calculated absence of terrain. Even Toaplan's own don't play much like their sniper tank masterworks.
None of this meaning anything if this turns out to be a random nostalgia act with none of NMK's venom, ofc!
If this is remotely as solid as Daisenpu and Space Invaders '90, I'd happily file it with them in the mid-card of that year. I don't think anyone's counting on rare inspiration like SameSame or Darius II, not the least with its authorship and completeness undetermined. Anyone demanding TFIII or Gaiares stage/weapon design should probably avoid both P-47 and Fire Mustang tbh. One set will merely enrage diehards of the other for a classic Shumpsfarm Sectarian Rumble(It helps to put it in context: the year of Darwin 4081, Whip Rush, ThunderForce III, Twin Hawk, Phelios, XDR, Insector X, Space Invaders '90, Hellfire, Arrow Flash, Fire Shark, Atomic Robo-Kid, Elemental Master, Dangerous Seed, Darius II, MUSHA, Gaiares, Heavy Unit). Problem is, Megadrive got three full years after 1990, and in shmups terms those were godly years.

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That NAMCOT sleeve paperstock be superb though. But Rolling Thunder 2 fills in nicely on that front.


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I had no problems creating an AmiAmi account on the English site Ms Tea linked to earlier. Did you try it on the Japanese one?SavagePencil wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:34 pm I wasn't able to create an AmiAmi account due to not spelling my name with Japanese characters. Is there a better way to order through them?
Any chance this will appear on an easier site, like Play-Asia?
I wouldn’t call Gaiares a snoozer, but I don’t think it’s all that great either. It’s fairly run-of-the-mill and the one thing that sets it apart (the weapon stealing mechanic) sounds much better on paper than it works in the actual game.DietSoap wrote:Say it to his face not online and see what happens.
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Indeed. Nice to see him performing at the piano!BIL wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:27 am Tsukasa Tawada is their star performer imo; the great man even working in Barry Manilow styles.A swaggering yet faintly melancholic "CopaCabana" vibe in Stage 2, amazing!
Ehhh, but Invader '90 Is a little more than solid... It's an Iwadare bravura piece. Needless to say this Jaleco/NMK would get an instant promotion for having a soundtrack like that.If this is remotely as solid as Daisenpu and Space Invaders '90, I'd happily file it with them in the mid-card of that year.
Err, I was merely listing the 1990 output, I guess remembering XD-R at all makes me a sort of advocate to It... Then again, It's not as choppy as Curse, and I wonder if Arrow Flash & Heavy Unit, without their transformation gimmick, wouldn't be considered its peers...I am moved to find a fellow X-DR appreciator! You, too, must have a soft spot for escaped Mark III games - ask me about my Strike Gunner S.T.G. advocacy!
...Still, if you're a fan or have a soft spot for It, that explains a lot: unhearthing something of the magnitude of P-47 II must sound like getting Radiant Silvergun 2

Anyway, I'm curious about ROM size. Since It's from 1990, It would be good for once to see a Megadrive newly released title that plays by the rule and stays within the 4MB standard of the era. Instead of, you know, doubling the Saturday Night Slam Masters size for the sake of It.

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He brought some genuinely admirable stuff with that OST. Stage 3's two pieces briefly see Jaleco on par with Taito for STG melancholia, kind of like Cybattler's art direction gives them a temporary jolt of Tecno Soft mecha cool.Turrican wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:47 amIndeed. Nice to see him performing at the piano!BIL wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:27 am Tsukasa Tawada is their star performer imo; the great man even working in Barry Manilow styles.A swaggering yet faintly melancholic "CopaCabana" vibe in Stage 2, amazing!
The OST goes without saying - an instant sell, in my case - but that's never a tier bump in my OFFICIAL Shump Tiers Book™. (`w´メ)Ehhh, but Invader '90 Is a little more than solid... It's an Iwadare bravura piece. Needless to say this Jaleco/NMK would get an instant promotion for having a soundtrack like that.
Otherwise I'd put Midnight Resistance on par with Alien Soldier. ;3
Moreover, like Fire Mustang, it's a solidly reliable and very conspicuous throwback piece among that set. Can't recall many other good gallery STGs for MD. Any at all, even! Was Divine Sealing one? I never played it.
It looks under-fed in the same way as Leynos, albeit without the fiery accomplishment, and IIRC it never annoyed me much if at all, so I can't help extending it some charity. At any rate, yes, a mention is more than poor X-DR tends to get! I've not even considered its inventively hilarious name.Err, I was merely listing the 1990 output, I guess remembering XD-R at all makes me a sort of advocate to It... Then again, It's not as choppy as Curse, and I wonder if Arrow Flash & Heavy Unit, without their transformation gimmick, wouldn't be considered its peers...I am moved to find a fellow X-DR appreciator! You, too, must have a soft spot for escaped Mark III games - ask me about my Strike Gunner S.T.G. advocacy!
You are correct that I've broad enough sensibilities to enjoy both a silly Gradius knockoff for the STG machine with no Gradius, and an efficiently lethal Scramble-esque like P-47....Still, if you're a fan or have a soft spot for It, that explains a lot: unhearthing something of the magnitude of P-47 II must sound like getting Radiant Silvergun 2

As for RSG2, I'd be tempted to punt my Saturn copy into freeway traffic for an ACA port of P-47 Aces, so we may prioritise different things from our STGs.



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Varhara the hugest monster track. That's seriously trying to dethrone Zero Wing.SuperDeadite wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 1:22 pm Intro and first 2 stages can be viewed here:
https://www.youtube.com/live/K_toKSam_Z ... NUs&t=1027
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The NCSX.com site has a pre-order up for the P-47 II MD as well: http://www.ncsx.com/2024/1209/ncs1209f.htm
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Just got an email from Retro-Bit. Looks like they are doing an overseas version for this, which is good because Retro-Bit's carts are always of excellent quality while Japan gets stuck with shitty bootleg quality Columbus Circle quite often.
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With all that parallax it looks like a later game than 1990 to my eyes. Was it already almost completed in 1990 or is it a 1990 game that is getting a port now?
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neorichieb1971 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:44 pm With all that parallax it looks like a later game than 1990 to my eyes. Was it already almost completed in 1990 or is it a 1990 game that is getting a port now?
I could be wrong but it seems like P-47II MD was under development in perhaps 1989-1990 but shelved for unknown reasons that only the "original developer" would know. It'd be interesting to learn more of it's background story of being "rescued from the grave" to what it is currently nowadays -- I'm sure everything "behind the curtain related with it" will be revealed in due time. Or perhaps not, leading to speculation as to how it was "discovered/unearthed in the first place" to begin with. Hmmm.....
Raises more questions than answers with this particular P-47II MD upcoming release indeed -- making for some desirable interest and attention in it all the more compelling given it's mysterious and cryptic origins.
At the end of the day, it's most welcome to see a brand new MD game being released in 2025, let alone an stg-based one, which is a call for celebration within that specific gaming genre -- color me quite intrigued with it.
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I think there aren't many actual secrets regarding this release beyond how much have they changed aside of the title on The Freedom Star from 1990, as it was quite finished according to those days' press. It's been mentioned somewhere if I recall they shelved it because Nintendo wasn't happy with another P-47 on a home system which was not theirs (or maybe just with Jaleco as a third party on a non-Nintendo system). City Connection inherited Jaleco's archived materials and this just was still there, and they found out there was enough interest on a cartridge release after exhibiting the original here and there.
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So P-47II MD was completed in 1990 but never released during that year -- that's quite new news to me (a stunning revelation in regards to developer/publisher Jaleco themselves).
Were the Japanese game magazines, like MegaDrive Fan, given sample copies of "The Freedom Star" stg to try out as an "advance sneak peek" type of business arrangement?
I can see the reasoning of Jaleco not wanting to step over Nintendo's stubby toes, lest be dropped with no game development for the FC and NES consoles at the current time in 1990 -- "money talks" but lest incur the possible wrath and retribution of a major 1st-party gaming company/behemoth as with Nintendo "sitting on high on the almighty godly throne" whilst 3rd-party game developers tread lightly and carefully with them. Talk about a potential "David vs. Goliath" showdown type of situation if there ever was going to be one (and a highly and potential dangerous powder keg if lit, all hell would break loose). That is some very serious shit indeed, folks.
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Were the Japanese game magazines, like MegaDrive Fan, given sample copies of "The Freedom Star" stg to try out as an "advance sneak peek" type of business arrangement?
I can see the reasoning of Jaleco not wanting to step over Nintendo's stubby toes, lest be dropped with no game development for the FC and NES consoles at the current time in 1990 -- "money talks" but lest incur the possible wrath and retribution of a major 1st-party gaming company/behemoth as with Nintendo "sitting on high on the almighty godly throne" whilst 3rd-party game developers tread lightly and carefully with them. Talk about a potential "David vs. Goliath" showdown type of situation if there ever was going to be one (and a highly and potential dangerous powder keg if lit, all hell would break loose). That is some very serious shit indeed, folks.
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Seems it will be sold through Strictly Limited. Comes with the same CD as the Amazon JP version and costs 65 Euros. Retrobit makes decent stuff but Strictly Limited can fuck off.