bobrocks95 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:18 am
If you're going by that 240p test suite camera test, my Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK had 7-8 or so frames of lag if I remember right.
Wouldn't say it felt that bad in practice though, but at the time it was useless for 240p so I mostly played 6th gen consoles on it where games aren't as twitchy anyways.
It's worth revisiting that display, we have better hardware to get the most out of them now.
bobrocks95 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:18 am
If you're going by that 240p test suite camera test, my Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK had 7-8 or so frames of lag if I remember right.
Wouldn't say it felt that bad in practice though, but at the time it was useless for 240p so I mostly played 6th gen consoles on it where games aren't as twitchy anyways.
It's worth revisiting that display, we have better hardware to get the most out of them now.
The way 480p was intended to be displayed. Fabulous!
bobrocks95 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:18 am
If you're going by that 240p test suite camera test, my Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK had 7-8 or so frames of lag if I remember right.
Wouldn't say it felt that bad in practice though, but at the time it was useless for 240p so I mostly played 6th gen consoles on it where games aren't as twitchy anyways.
It's worth revisiting that display, we have better hardware to get the most out of them now.
Would take a lot to convince me it's better for any content than a 65" OLED with a Tink 4K. Even then, I don't have room for a second display of any kind for some sources vs others- eventually the most I'm planning to do is digging out my CRT for a light gun game setup, but that's only out of necessity for the tech if there continue to be no good options for original hardware (ie Sinden -> actual PS1, etc).
bobrocks95 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:18 am
If you're going by that 240p test suite camera test, my Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK had 7-8 or so frames of lag if I remember right.
Wouldn't say it felt that bad in practice though, but at the time it was useless for 240p so I mostly played 6th gen consoles on it where games aren't as twitchy anyways.
It's worth revisiting that display, we have better hardware to get the most out of them now.
Would take a lot to convince me it's better for any content than a 65" OLED with a Tink 4K. Even then, I don't have room for a second display of any kind for some sources vs others- eventually the most I'm planning to do is digging out my CRT for a light gun game setup, but that's only out of necessity for the tech if there continue to be no good options for original hardware (ie Sinden -> actual PS1, etc).
Fair enough, these earlier Plasmas didnt have good black levels. You can achieve a similar result on your 4k display (barring motion clarity) using this mask in 4x 480i/480p mode.
Here's a comparison between the real deal 480p Plasma (left) and a similar custom mask in 6x 240p on my LG C2 (right). Helps simulating a coarser low res display. If you want to use it on the RetroTink 4k, use 8x mode.
Yeah, no, theres no contest there, the plasma image is far superior to the OLED in this comparison. The vertical gaps and uneven looking WRGB pixels in solid colors like the red and the white shown below look horrendous in comparison. Not sure why it looks that way but it sure looks off to me. The vertical gaps in the plasma image are non-existent by comparison.
His mask looks like its adding a column of blank pixels which is presumably because he’s doing a 4x scale so there’s no way to spread the 3 RGB subpixels across 4 physical pixels.
A 3x scale should eliminate it but the downside (unless you have a native 1440p) when using a native 4k display is that the image will be smaller.
I don’t mind the screen door effect though and at normal viewing distance it’s probably hard to tell the difference. I’ll have to do direct comparison with my own 480p plasma and 4k display sometime.
Josh128 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:21 pm
Yeah, no, theres no contest there, the plasma image is far superior to the OLED in this comparison. The vertical gaps and uneven looking WRGB pixels in solid colors like the red and the white shown below look horrendous in comparison. Not sure why it looks that way but it sure looks off to me. The vertical gaps in the plasma image are non-existent by comparison.
I have a really hard time taking pictures from OLEDs, it's like the camera cant focus properly on these displays. I can always get good pictures from CRTs and Plasmas.
In person, it does a good job at convincing you it's a lower res display.
tongshadow wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:51 pm
480p Plasma List (likely incomplete), use this site to check for other models: http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/flatscreen_mfg.cfm
Google "480p Plasma" for more obscure brands and products. Naming can also change between regions.
LG 42PX3RVA (has HDMI in addition to VGA, 3 x SCART, Component, S-Video and Composite)
LG MZ-42PZ14
Panasonic TX-42PE30 (a.k.a. TX-42PA30)
Panasonic TH-42PWD6
NEC Plasmasync 42MP2
Samsung PS42V6S (Some models have HDMI)
Fujitsu Plasmavision P42VHA40
Thomson 42WM02LU
Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:27 pm
Do that list you can add
LG 42PX3RVA (has HDMI in addition to VGA, 3 x SCART, Component, S-Video and Composite)
LG MZ-42PZ14
Panasonic TX-42PE30 (a.k.a. TX-42PA30)
Panasonic TH-42PWD6
NEC Plasmasync 42MP2
Samsung PS42V6S (Some models have HDMI)
Fujitsu Plasmavision P42VHA40
Thomson 42WM02LU
Just be wary that some of these ancient models are still DVI-D (or even fully analog). And definitely watch out for sets that only use grey side bars for 4:3 instead of black.
