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Rulumi wrote:I think the problem may come to two things, the design of the video circuit on the board itself may be a bit noisy as usually all models after the SHVC-CPU-01 gets it noiser and noiser.

The other and may be as important is that SNS-CPU-RGB-0X motherboards uses an S-RGB video encoder (exact one used on 1CHIP models) instead of the S-ENC video encoder. Bypassing the video encoder with an S-ENC or a modern one and/or it's own board instead the motherboard one should improve things.

Also if you only want S-Video I recommend an original design system (2 PPUs and 1 CPU) instead of the 1CHIPs, the 1CHIP internally works quite differently and has bugs in various games. Most of the time they are minor graphical problems in specific parts (garbage dots on some part of the screen), but it's alarming in how many it happens.

In compairison to the 1CHIP, clone systems which use the same internal design for their three clone chips (1 PPU with the 2 PPUs design inside, 1 CPU and 1 SPC700 clone) since they created them in the 90s (they were released around 1994-1995). While clones may have a few more major issue games than what's currently reported of the 1CHIP, in total clone systems may have less problems and bugs with games than the 1CHIPs (but as said, the 1CHIP problems are usually minor graphical errors in specific parts, but they really happen in a lot of games).
Thanks,

I saw some people in another forum mentioning that adding a 470ohm resistor somewhere (unclear where exactly since nobody drew a diagram) on the Luma or Chroma signals takes care of the issue. Not sure if anybody has heard of that mod
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FBX wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:47 am
SamIAm wrote:
Anyway, I'm not sure what else to do with this APU-01. Any suggestions?
APU is THE WORST version of the SNES console to have because of the diagonal subcarrier noise interference. Voultar found the fix by lifting pin #3 on the PPU2 chip, and I did this myself to test on my own APU (I kept it even though I have two different 1CHIP consoles). Pics of my mod and results:

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Be warned you of course lose color on composite video output, but that's a small price to pay for cleaner RGB.
I can also confirm lifting pin 3 of PPU2 improves the image quite a lot. I went from this:

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To this:

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What’s the deal with Voultar and the edge enhancer. He’s been teasing that thing for ages. I’m kinda at the point where I may just abandon by gsu02 I was planning to enhance and just get a 1chip.
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LDigital wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:32 pm What’s the deal with Voultar and the edge enhancer. He’s been teasing that thing for ages. I’m kinda at the point where I may just abandon by gsu02 I was planning to enhance and just get a 1chip.
The last time I've checked, it has already been released as an installation service for people who'd like to have their SNES/SFC consoles serviced by him. DIY kits are slated to be released soon (before the end of the year was the latest estimate).

Since I've already recapped my SHVC-CPU-01 console and installed it in an atomic purple shell (as its original shell now houses my 1CHIP, which had a yellowed shell), I'm planning on buying a DIY kit as soon as it's released as I feel confident enough to install it myself after watching Macho Nacho's video of it.
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LDigital wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:32 pm What’s the deal with Voultar and the edge enhancer. He’s been teasing that thing for ages. I’m kinda at the point where I may just abandon by gsu02 I was planning to enhance and just get a 1chip.
I have been waiting patiently on Voultar's edge enhancer to be released too. However after a disagreement on social media I had with Voultar where he threatened to block me just because I disagreed with his stance on a certain soldering practice, I decided to look into alternatives to his edge enhancer.

I came across the RetroSix Edge Buster which going on what limited information I could find seems to really work to eliminate the smeared edges. I now have one in my possession and hope to fit it in the next couple of days. I plan on posting a review of it here.

If it lives up to the things I've seen online then it will deliver a comparable image to Voultar's mod (assuming you have performed other mods such as the jail bar fix, the line down the middle fix and lifted pin 3 on PPU2) at a third of the price assuming Voultar's mod costs around £60.
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SMLMcKenzie wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:42 am
LDigital wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:32 pm What’s the deal with Voultar and the edge enhancer. He’s been teasing that thing for ages. I’m kinda at the point where I may just abandon by gsu02 I was planning to enhance and just get a 1chip.
I have been waiting patiently on Voultar's edge enhancer to be released too. However after a disagreement on social media I had with Voultar where he threatened to block me just because I disagreed with his stance on a certain soldering practice, I decided to look into alternatives to his edge enhancer.

I came across the RetroSix Edge Buster which going on what limited information I could find seems to really work to eliminate the smeared edges. I now have one in my possession and hope to fit it in the next couple of days. I plan on posting a review of it here.

If it lives up to the things I've seen online then it will deliver a comparable image to Voultar's mod (assuming you have performed other mods such as the jail bar fix, the line down the middle fix and lifted pin 3 on PPU2) at a third of the price assuming Voultar's mod costs around £60.
Well as usual he's a little baby that can't handle anyone that doesn't openly kowtow to him. What else is new. Whenever I see anything with his name attached, I just hope someone else is working on something similar.
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Unfortunately the RetroSix Edgebuster hasn't worked out well. I installed it today and It really works at getting rid of the blurred edges but it has introduced a problem where parts of the image seem to wobble left and right. You can see the issue on the RetroSix Discord here:

https://discord.com/channels/8173027372 ... 7780133045

I believe I have installed it correctly but I may have made a mistake. Hopefully there is something I can do to fix it but I suspect the issue lies with the Edgebuster as when you set all the jumper switches to 0% the issue goes away (and the edges are blurry again).

Think I may end up having to get Voultar's mod after all...
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I lifted pin 27 on PPU2 and it made a big difference, completley removing the needle like jailbars that became apparent after lifting pin 3 on PPU 2 to remove the fabric like pattern that covered the whole screen.

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Bent a sewing pin to help lift the pin:

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Just need to get the edge's enhanced!
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http://mikejmoffitt.com/pages/shvc-rgb/index.html


https://www.kadenken.com/view/item/000000001606


^ Might be worth a look. Our guy’s low-key always been the best to do it



Also Voultar’s a insufferable prick; weirdly defensive oh criticism or no. Haha lol making middle schooler lowest hanging fruit ~gay sex jokes~ for like 20 years running :roll:
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Does the vendor carrying the Mike Moffitt mod kit ship to the US or do you need to use a proxy service to order it in the US? Curious to know if anyone who resides outside of Japan was able to obtain one.
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kitty666cats wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:11 pm http://mikejmoffitt.com/pages/shvc-rgb/index.html


https://www.kadenken.com/view/item/000000001606


^ Might be worth a look. Our guy’s low-key always been the best to do it



Also Voultar’s a insufferable prick; weirdly defensive oh criticism or no. Haha lol making middle schooler lowest hanging fruit ~gay sex jokes~ for like 20 years running :roll:
I ended up ordering all the parts to do the mod detailed here:

viewtopic.php?t=64930

The end result seems to look very similar to Voultar's mod and it is available right now if you are able to do a bit of soldering, which I assume anyone looking at doing the DIY Voultar mod would be capable of. I wonder if Voultar is holding his DIY Edge Enhancer mod kits back for as long as possible, waiting for orders of his installation service to slow down before releasing the DIY kits. I am sure his edge enhancer will get cloned pretty quickly once the DIY kits get released so it makes sense to hold them back. People wanting them might be in for a long wait though.
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KPackratt2k wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:31 am Does the vendor carrying the Mike Moffitt mod kit ship to the US or do you need to use a proxy service to order it in the US? Curious to know if anyone who resides outside of Japan was able to obtain one.

thchardcore has one, pretty sure you can order directly but you can double check with him in a PM, unless he beats us to that lol
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kitty666cats wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:11 pm Also Voultar’s a insufferable prick; weirdly defensive oh criticism or no. Haha lol making middle schooler lowest hanging fruit ~gay sex jokes~ for like 20 years running :roll:
I agree, he tends to overreact to innocent comments, sometimes. That said, if you've followed his Twitter or YouTube channel for any length of time, he, quite often, has people constantly coming at him with "Ummm, ACKTUALLY, that's not how you should do it" when they have, absolutely, no idea what they're talking about. I imagine that gets tiring and annoying, so he just blows his top all the time, rather than just taking a breath and realizing everyone isn't trying to be a complete twat.
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TooBeaucoup wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:26 pm
kitty666cats wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:11 pm Also Voultar’s a insufferable prick; weirdly defensive oh criticism or no. Haha lol making middle schooler lowest hanging fruit ~gay sex jokes~ for like 20 years running :roll:
I agree, he tends to overreact to innocent comments, sometimes. That said, if you've followed his Twitter or YouTube channel for any length of time, he, quite often, has people constantly coming at him with "Ummm, ACKTUALLY, that's not how you should do it" when they have, absolutely, no idea what they're talking about. I imagine that gets tiring and annoying, so he just blows his top all the time, rather than just taking a breath and realizing everyone isn't trying to be a complete twat.
He should just ignore people he doesn't agree with. I was someone who has watched all of his videos, would sit and watch his multi hour livestream's right through over the course of a few days and was a follower on twitter and bluesky. You could say I was a fan of his. That changed when he threatened to block me on his social media and called me "certifiably unwell" in a public forum after simply suggesting an alternative for SMD caps removal that differed from his preferred method.

It has taught me that the sayings, you should never put anyone on a pedestal and never meet your heros, are true.

He does a lot of good for the retro modding scene. I have a lot to thank him for. Hopefully in the future he can chill out a bit and accept that not everyone will agree with everything he says and getting into arguments online will do nothing but damage his reputation.
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He sent me a pm on here saying he's sorry my mom passed away. I still haven't figured out if that was meant as a threat or not, or if he's just a total nutjob. Who the hell sends that to a complete stranger online?
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SMLMcKenzie wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:20 pm
TooBeaucoup wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:26 pm
kitty666cats wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:11 pm Also Voultar’s a insufferable prick; weirdly defensive oh criticism or no. Haha lol making middle schooler lowest hanging fruit ~gay sex jokes~ for like 20 years running :roll:
I agree, he tends to overreact to innocent comments, sometimes. That said, if you've followed his Twitter or YouTube channel for any length of time, he, quite often, has people constantly coming at him with "Ummm, ACKTUALLY, that's not how you should do it" when they have, absolutely, no idea what they're talking about. I imagine that gets tiring and annoying, so he just blows his top all the time, rather than just taking a breath and realizing everyone isn't trying to be a complete twat.
He should just ignore people he doesn't agree with. I was someone who has watched all of his videos, would sit and watch his multi hour livestream's right through over the course of a few days and was a follower on twitter and bluesky. You could say I was a fan of his. That changed when he threatened to block me on his social media and called me "certifiably unwell" in a public forum after simply suggesting an alternative for SMD caps removal that differed from his preferred method.

It has taught me that the sayings, you should never put anyone on a pedestal and never meet your heros, are true.

He does a lot of good for the retro modding scene. I have a lot to thank him for. Hopefully in the future he can chill out a bit and accept that not everyone will agree with everything he says and getting into arguments online will do nothing but damage his reputation.
I've started to wonder if he's mildly on the spectrum. I have no expertise to back that up, but his behavior doesn't always strike me as outright asshole all the time. I also see him apologize quite frequently and admit he overreacts. I don't know what to make of him at this point. LOL!
spmbx wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:11 pm He sent me a pm on here saying he's sorry my mom passed away. I still haven't figured out if that was meant as a threat or not, or if he's just a total nutjob. Who the hell sends that to a complete stranger online?
I assume you mentioned that your Mom passed away? I wouldn't bother messaging someone I didn't know, but if you brought it up, I guess I don't find it that odd that someone out there might PM you condolences. I certainly wouldn't take it as a threat. Slightly unusual, yes.
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TooBeaucoup wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:45 pm
I assume you mentioned that your Mom passed away? I wouldn't bother messaging someone I didn't know, but if you brought it up, I guess I don't find it that odd that someone out there might PM you condolences. I certainly wouldn't take it as a threat. Slightly unusual, yes.
She did not. And I have zero interaction with him in any shape or form here. It seems like some sick form of stab or whatever because I wrote something critical in the since deleted breakin thread
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spmbx wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:21 pm
TooBeaucoup wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:45 pm
I assume you mentioned that your Mom passed away? I wouldn't bother messaging someone I didn't know, but if you brought it up, I guess I don't find it that odd that someone out there might PM you condolences. I certainly wouldn't take it as a threat. Slightly unusual, yes.
She did not. And I have zero interaction with him in any shape or form here. It seems like some sick form of stab or whatever because I wrote something critical in the since deleted breakin thread
Did you write something critical of him?
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spmbx wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:21 pm
TooBeaucoup wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:45 pm
I assume you mentioned that your Mom passed away? I wouldn't bother messaging someone I didn't know, but if you brought it up, I guess I don't find it that odd that someone out there might PM you condolences. I certainly wouldn't take it as a threat. Slightly unusual, yes.
She did not. And I have zero interaction with him in any shape or form here. It seems like some sick form of stab or whatever because I wrote something critical in the since deleted breakin thread
Well, in that case, that is weird.
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Pretty unhinged, threatening someone's mother. Based on his Discord behavior there's also a decent chance he's still privately screenshotting every negative comment on here about him or anyone he knows, to keep in I guess some private hate folder on his computer.

To make the smallest attempt to stay on topic, I do hope we get some comparisons of the available options and that Voultar's board becomes available separately. Regardless of who made it, the more options the better.
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Friend in Japan had to order the Moffitt board for me as I didn't see an option for direct shipping to US. Zenmarket or similar may be able to do it (I hope).
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If Mike Moffitt gave a shit about the fact that he’s straight-up the best at these things, it would be so rad lol
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bobrocks95 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:15 pm
To make the smallest attempt to stay on topic, I do hope we get some comparisons of the available options and that Voultar's board becomes available separately. Regardless of who made it, the more options the better.
I intend to take some comparison photos of the buttersoft mod Vs the Voultar Edge Enhancer once the PCB's I ordered arrive from the USA. There are quite a few photos of Voultar's mod floating about now so I will try to replicate those photos using my modded Super Famicom.

I expect Voultars mod to be a bit better but not hugely better and what good is it anyway if it isnt available to anyone unless you send him your console.

Edit: mod installed and comparisons to Voultar's mod seem favourable.

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