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Re: After that pants started to become extra tight.

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BIL wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:41 am Tried it, banned for obscenely massive pennis. (`w´メ) (like any good shumps-affiliated project, Gynoug Dickman was our mascot, obviously)
:o that's a crazy story. I wish I had such a big penis! BIL is so cool! He has a big penis and he is good at Shmups!
Why can't I be more like him :(

Good morning Shmup community of the earth! We have a wonderful weekend ahead of us (although we have small penises compared to BIL) with lots of pew pew and boom boom!
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Small discussion, big penis.

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This weekend's forecast includes clouds of zako, bullet rain, and a TLB passing somewhere over the alps.
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Kacho...ON!
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*An internet connection is required to access all of the game's content.
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"The crown prince of Saudi Arabia having a controlling interest in the company that redefined cow tits" will never not be hilarious to me.
Sima Tuna wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:56 pm *An internet connection is required to access all of the game's content.
Wanted to pick up Dirt Rally 2 a ways back, but "always online singleplayer" turned me off right quick.
Guess I dodged a bullet because Codies eventually got bought out by EA and the thing now requires a Play account.
Yeesh.
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Sima Tuna wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:56 pm *An internet connection is required to access all of the game's content.
If you don't buy the game then you need an internet connection to jerk off to Mai on YouTube.
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SB 1047 is madness. Ignorant old man politician grifters are listening to thirty year old tech "entrepreneur" grifters. Of course, it's actually crafted to kill open source and lock ML tools behind bullshit paywalls.

The law is built on mostly hype and lies. Despite what some people love to say, machine learning is a computer program. Nothing more. The model and inputs are broken down into tokens and evaluated by navigating a clever tree. It's a computer program.

That's all that's happening. It's not self aware. It's not thinking. It doesn't know what it's doing. It's not intelligent. It's not aware. It is just a set of instructions and a dataset.

All this ignorant hype has moron grifter politicians believing the computer is self aware. It has them believing the computer program can understand what it's doing and be restricted by thinking about a moral code or consequences.

Yay! The LLM wrote a convincing sentence. Okay. Is it magic? Did you peek behind the curtain?

Here's the bottom line. It's not thinking. It knows nothing and it's not self aware. It's just a computer program. Intelligence and awareness happen when we interact and it's inherently complicated. ML doesn't do that. It doesn't know, it doesn't remember, and it cannot care. It doesn't know anything about belonging, morals, or consequences. It has no investment or awareness in churning a stream of tokens. It just traverses the dataset.

We don't demand that other computer programs have remote backdoors and protections against doing anything illegal. How could you even enforce something like that? It's a computer program! It has no fucking clue what it's doing! Current guardrails consist of hacks, daemon nannies running alongside models, and censoring training materials. A nanny computer program is just a computer program and it can't reason. What are going to do? Hire enough human mods to triple check every request and delay outputs for hours/days/weeks? Where's the computer program watchdog that stops all electronic fraud? It doesn't exist, because it cannot exist.

Computer programs only do what they're told by definition. It's one of the first things we learned at university in the C course. The machine does exactly what we tell it to, so let's learn about the linker and compiler first--and continue to talk about what's happening on the metal. Let's understand what we're telling the machine to do. That way, there's no misunderstanding, because the computer does what we tell it to do. That's what I was taught (and it's true).

Intelligent human beings are aware of "bad" things. Many choose not to talk about them or engage in illegal activities because they are self aware. Computer programs exectute instructions. Using distributed computing to handle navigating decision trees is still a computer program. It can't regulate itself, because it has no idea what it's doing.

Stupid old men (that probably couldn't sideload an app on their phones) regulating tech is laughable. I may as well have asked some children that live in rural regions of a poor country. They would also be impressed by the magic robot that "talks". It's not magic, though. It's just a computer program. There's nothing wrong with not understanding, but people that don't know anything shouldn't be making big decisions. If you don't know any better, it does appear to be self aware.

This is about pushing ML onto paywalled servers that will provide leaky "safeguards" with KYC, logs, and a flunky inaccurate nanny daemon. Open source is only the sliver of the ice berg you can see. Rest assured, all the technology will continue to be developed behind closed doors. This is all about screening the capabilities of ML from the general public and making sure that nobody gets anything without paying up. People won't scrutinise the tech if they hide it and also: pay up suckaz!

The part about casualties makes me smile, given that the military is absolutely working on killbots at this moment. (I guarantee it.) Will California prosecute anyone for it? No. Open source generative AI is unlikely to kill people--unless it's deployed in a ridiculously irresponsible way. Obviously, the computer program knows nothing and it isn't self aware. Hallucinations are good old fashioned GIGO. You probably shouldn't trust a ML model to administer automated drugs or drive cars.

All the "gee wizz" shit and hype is exhausting. It's even worse when it makes it way into law. It's not thinking. It's computer program.
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Today I was introduced to Yagawa Shinobu, the dude who made Battle Garegga, Batrider, Ibara, Pink Sweets, etc. and somehow my brain didn't put it together that that was him even though I was told that it was him. Why does my brain never work properly when I need it to? I feel really stupid right now.
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Steven wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:59 am Today I was introduced to Yagawa Shinobu, the dude who made Battle Garegga, Batrider, Ibara, Pink Sweets, etc. and somehow my brain didn't put it together that that was him even though I was told that it was him. Why does my brain never work properly when I need it to? I feel really stupid right now.
Goddamn, nice. :o You're doing alright imo, perhaps the most august rolodex of STG luminaries I've seen in this community. :mrgreen:
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Cool! Perhaps is was a subconscious case of star-struck ;)

And well, there's always next time; your run-ins with the movers-and-shakers of shmup history seem surprisingly frequent, after all :D
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I think it was mostly because I didn't hear his name 100% clearly because it was kind of loud at the time and also because he was introduced as being a programmer on Battle Garegga. When I think of his work on that game I think of him as a game designer more than as a programmer even though he's specifically credited as programmer. If I'd realized that that was him I'd have talked to him some more. Oh well. I'll probably run into him again eventually.
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Ask him why RECCA is so fucking cool.
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I've still never even seen screenshots or footage of that running, let alone actually played it... it's on the list of stuff to play eventually. Pretty sure I saw the box art somewhere though lol
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Steven wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:59 am Today I was introduced to Yagawa Shinobu, the dude who made Battle Garegga, Batrider, Ibara, Pink Sweets, etc. and somehow my brain didn't put it together that that was him even though I was told that it was him. Why does my brain never work properly when I need it to? I feel really stupid right now.
Judging by how many important people in the industry you have met, you are slowly reaching a higher and higher degree of S.T.G. blessing :lol:
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Still missing IKD, Takano, Ota (both Lee and Toshiaki) and the biggest one of all: Nishikado. All of those guys are pretty much impossible to meet aside from IKD, who is only exceptionally extremely difficult to meet, but I have a feeling that he'll turn up eventually.
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