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Samsung 65" LED Repair / Observations...

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Last week I got a free 2017 Samsung UN65KU6290F 65" 4K LED backlit LCD Smart TV. It was my brother's boss's home TV, the boss said it was looking too dim and wanted another, but it still worked. After bringing it home, I noticed it was
indeed quite dim, even with full backlight power, but worse still it had a horrible blue tint to everything. I tried to play with color temp, white balance etc, and even with reducing the blue as much as I could, whites were still very very blue.

After some quick googling of the possible remedies and ruling out all the reset/power cycling BS, I happened upon the finding that when LED backlights wear from extended use at full brightness, they apparently begin to put out blue light instead of the ~4000K white they put out when new. Apparently the yellow coating you see on almost all white LED lights is a phosphor painted over them to allow them to shine white light, as without it, they shine blue. Call me ignorant, but I never realized thats why all white LEDs are this color when not lit. Now, this is a 2017 set, so for it to be as blue as it is, it must have run a LOT of hours at full brightness. Im guessing homes just let this thing play unwatched all day long at full brightness for who knows how long. Understanding that, the LCD panel seemed relatively fine and the input latency per RTINGs is supposed to be ~20ms (not great, but not horrible) so I decided to open it up and see for myself if the backlight was indeed the blue tint problem. Turns out it was.

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Super blue and relatively dim light coming from all these strips. Noting that this is a 2017 set, learning that this is a common type of failure only adds to my disdain for LED/LCDs as a display choice. :oops: Yet another reason why they suck compared to CRT, plasma, and OLED tech. That said, Ive seen plenty of LCDs over the years that never turned blue, and Im not sure if its because they were CFL backlit or LEDs that were just not run at full brightness. In any case, Ive found a set of strips on Ebay that are supposed to have been pulled from a new cracked screen set for $30 shipped, so I got some coming.

These sets put out over 300Vdc across arrays of these LEDs in series to light them up (which is common in LED TVs, though I have no idea why they do it that way instead of the LED required ~3 volts with the LEDs in parallel). What I didnt realize is that these sets also hold quite a nice charge, for QUITE a while after being unplugged! After getting a nasty zap when trying to take the bottom plastic reflector/diffuser off, I whipped out the old multimeter to see what was up. It was still measuring about 275V even after discharging nicely through my hand. :mrgreen:

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So I discharged it with a resistor, removed the LED strips, and have some new ones coming. Anyone else ever run across crazy blue LEDs like this? I'll update this post when I get the strips in and the repair is complete.
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Re: Samsung 65" LED Repair / Observations...

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That's just how LED backlit TVs are: trash.

The LED is actually blue, but there's a phosphor layer inside them to make it emit white light. With time, this phosphor layer degrades (could take 4~5 years) and the result is that everything has a blue tint. If you're interested, you can just replace the LEDs with new ones, but then you realize it's actually more expensive than an used TV.

LED backlit TVs are disposable, every other display technology was far more durable. CCFL backlit TVs for instance last essentially forever, the backlight will be the last thing to fail. I have a 2008 Plasma clocked in at almost 40k hours that still looks very good, better than most cheap modern backlit TVs. CRTs can be ran into the ground, but we all know they can last very long under normal usage scenarios. OLED is still unproven, but at least it seems if any minor degradation occurs, it's not enough to affect regular content, unlike a LED TV turning blue.
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tongshadow wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:45 pm That's just how LED backlit TVs are: trash.
lol I wholeheartedly concur :lol: , that being the case, I just dont understand how they gained such a foothold in the mainstream market over such superior tech, it just blows my mind. My 2014 60" 1080p Sammy plasma we have in the bedroom still looks phenomenal, we watched some NFL on it this afternoon and it still blows me away. As I said above, Ive found replacement LEDs for $30 and have them coming. If I can repair the set and get a hundred or two bucks for it Im fine with that. It is a 4K VA panel so I'll probably play around with the RT5X and see what kind of image it produces before I get rid of it. It is quite large.
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"Big AND cheap TV", that's what the general public likes, only a very small percentage cares about picture.

Also, a video of a technician repairing another blue LED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8anQaFFI_ho
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Got the new LEDs in and installed them into the TV. These replacement LEDs are a nice ~4000K-5000K white and apparently make all the difference in the world when it comes to PQ in LCD displays. Turns out this set looks quite excellent and has quite low input lag. Not bad for $30 and a couple hours in the shop.

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As you can see above, the set accepts 1200p from the 5X, as well as 540p. This is pretty cool but it doesnt accept the 5Xs 1440p mode, at least the one in the firmware made for the HD CRTs. 1200p looks perfect for 240p sources and quite good for 480p sources when coupled with an aperture grille mask.



One issue I had when first testing the LEDs is that neither of the two halves (top & bottom, 4 strips each) were lighting up. I tapped on the frame and one half blinked. Knowing that the way these are powered are 2 individual groups of 4 strips in series, I was able to use my multimeter to find where the voltage drop was and narrowed it down to where one of the strips in the group plugs into the power. The small metal tabs in the connectors were slightly bent and not making good contact with each other, so after powering down the set and bleeding the 350Vdc LED power down with a 1/4 watt, 50K ohm resistor (after getting zapped...again :x ), I used a tiny flat head tweaker screw driver to bend the connector tabs back in place. Got all the LEDs to light this time, but didnt trust it, and certainly didnt want to have to open the set again, so I soldered some jumper wires across each connection to MAKE SURE no amount of moving and jostling would cause the LEDs to lose power connection.

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Back to the input lag, the set behaves very strangely-- outside of game mode, you have around 110ms or so of lag, which seems to be normal (and unusable, lol), but in game mode with the Time Sleuth, it starts at about 24ms of lag when you first switch to a resolution, and it drops about 1 ms ever second or so, until it settles around 12ms for 480p and 13ms for 720p and 1080p. Once it settles down, it stays there, it doesnt "roll" back up like Ive seen with some other sets. I tested this again and again, thinking it might be an issue with my Time Sleuth, but its not. If I change resolution but simply wait 30 seconds or so before taking a reading, the first reading will be the minimum 12 or 13 ms and stay there. I have no clue why or how it works this way, but I'll take it!

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Overall it was a fun project, and I gained confidence in this type of repair. Its really not bad if you have a decent table or bench to work on.
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