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Iran War. When.

2021
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2022-2025
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BulletMagnet wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:14 am Naturally, the GOP's own conference rules actually disqualify Trump from eligibility for the Speaker position, but of course we can ask the most recent couple of Supreme Court justices how much the American right gives a shit about any of that, not only when there's anything remotely resembling a "win" (or, failing that, an "own") to be had but when their only actual end goal is to endlessly bitch.
Of course Trump went for a judge decision rather than a jury. Makes perfect sense to me. You try to find a clean set of jurors who knows nothing about Trump and has zero bias. It's impossible. A jury trial would take ages just on selection. With a judge, there's more chance the decision will be from someone sympathetic to Trump. More chance too of a less severe penalty if/when he's found guilty. You bounce that decision over to a jury and shit can get rough real fast. Jury could decide he's guilty to the maximum count on all charges. He's only whining about lack of a jury trial because he has nothing left to whine about. The circumstances of his trial have been about as favorable to him as anyone could reasonably expect. Certainly more favorable than the average citizen who is hauled before the courts accused of a serious crime. He's had the best legal representation during his trial(s) and he had the best legal advice even before he was charged. He voluntarily chose to disregard advice of counsel, mislead his own attorneys and potentially place them in legally-compromising circumstances.

This entire situation is entirely of his own making. Every bit of it has gone down exactly as it had to, given the decisions Trump made. He was given numerous chances to just "drop it" and walk away with his dignity, property (his actual property, not the classified documents he falsely claimed were his) and authority fully intact. He could have handed over those documents at any time and very likely never been charged. He prejudiced his own case by his outlandish behavior, particularly on social media. While it was beneficial to his presidential election to make use of news media as free publicity, that tactic created a very strong association in the minds of most voters, either positive or negative. Which is another obstacle to him receiving a jury trial, and probably why he opted for a judge decision.

Trump's current predicament is nothing if not the accumulation of every decision he's made over the last decade-ish. Nobody did this to Trump but Trump. Even if there were a conspiracy against him, Donald J. Trump would have to be named the chief co-conspirator against himself for being so fucking dumb and self-destructive.
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Sima Tuna wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:40 amTrump's current predicament is nothing if not the accumulation of every decision he's made over the last decade-ish. Nobody did this to Trump but Trump.
I dunno, Trump says (((Soros))) did all this to Trump as part of his pro-criminal left wing agenda. How can I just take your word for it?

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Rules are not laws. And laws barely mean anything either. Power does what power wants. That's how hierarchies work - the gangsters take their cut and the cattle moo on the pasture. Or the internet in this case.

Let's read this thing together!

It's not forever, even a day or however long it takes for the heat in the media to die down is long enough: "Temporary"

Hey, it's only for someone actively serving. If they get indicted just before they're appointed, no biggie.

The most pertinent sentence: (d) The Conference may waive the provisions of this rule at any time by majority vote.

Blue-anon, reading the bones hoping for miracles and wins and owns to materialize out of their feelings. Just find the right magic words and you'll make Voldemort go away on this one weird technicality... The repetition and lack of imagination really becomes draining over the years... (Guys, it's the emergence of the machine god era now. Try to move on from the past.)

It just reminds me too much of that SNL episode where everyone was praying to well-known Democrat superhero...... Robert Mueller....... to make the orange man go away...

He could have handed over those documents at any time and very likely never been charged.

Absolutely. Just like with Hillary's email server in her basement, these people are a protected class. They have to actively sabotage, insult, and undermine authority to ever have a chance of facing a consequence for crimes that'd put away little guys who don't matter for years. (And even they're often put away more for being uppity and trying to matter more than anything else. Know your place, cog!)

It reminds me of the obsession with "face" (reputation) in Xianxia novels. The feelings of those in positions of authority matter to an extreme degree.

When someone looks outside and sees their abusive boyfriend chatting and laughing it up with the cops, that's when you know there will be true justice done that day.

Trump's current predicament is nothing if not the accumulation of every decision he's made over the last decade-ish. Nobody did this to Trump but Trump.

Sometimes I wonder if he's actually an absolute genius. Sometimes.

His base all have a martyr complex, right? Like they're all Jesus on the cross? And everyone who gives them even a little pushback on anything is Judas at best? (The slurs for the outgroup are their own window into their psychology and current collective journey: "liberal" becomes "cuck" becomes "woke".) If he doesn't have a cross, he'll build one himself.

I know in reality he's not doing 7D chess - he's just a pathological liar and narcissist. But still. That makes him very popular with pathological liars and narcissists. (I always find it bizarre how some people lie about literally everything, for no reason! Lies so half-assed even small children could see through them!)

(Really gets back to the true literacy rate being 45% to 55%... we suck. Insert your own George Carlin links here.)
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It reminds me of the obsession with "face" (reputation) in Xianxia novels. The feelings of those in positions of authority matter to an extreme degree.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. If only more of our Congressional sessions erupted into kung fu battles. Next time Matt Gaetz is pursuing a private vendetta over hurt feelings, maybe Newt Gingrich can fly in from an open window and crane kick his head off. And who wouldn't want to see the epic Trump vs Biden chi contest?
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In grimmer news, Hamas has launched a surprise attack on Israel and taken 7 towns; they've released images of women and elderly prisoners, and apparently contact has been lost with hundreds after they raided a rave happening out in the desert. They claim they're out to free the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. Israel's declared they are in a state of war and launched something called 'Operation Swords of Iron' which sounds like a bad airport novel but is probably just kids getting bombed.

Hopefully this probably won't result in the apocalypse, just a weekend of shooting followed by negotiations for Hamas to get whatever it is they're really after. Taking Jerusalem seems kind of aspirational.

Summary of events thus far: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... d-in-south
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Sengoku Strider wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:20 pm In grimmer news, Hamas has launched a surprise attack on Israel and taken 7 towns; they've released images of women and elderly prisoners, and apparently contact has been lost with hundreds after they raided a rave happening out in the desert. They claim they're out to free the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. Israel's declared they are in a state of war and launched something called 'Operation Swords of Iron' which sounds like a bad airport novel but is probably just kids getting bombed.

Hopefully this probably won't result in the apocalypse, just a weekend of shooting followed by negotiations for Hamas to get whatever it is they're really after. Taking Jerusalem seems kind of aspirational.

Summary of events thus far: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... d-in-south
Israel is running an apartheid state. You left that part out. It doesn't make any of the killing okay, but your post doesn't read as informed or clever. Not that either side is interested in peace, but you make it sound like Israel was just going about their business praying and being nice before they were ambushed by complete strangers--for no reason at all. The reality is much more complicated.

The Balkans are flaring up again, as well. Same old bollocks. The only thing that really changes are the years and months. None of these people ever really make peace. They're always itching to rob and murder each other. Nobody is innocent. It's all bollocks.
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orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:59 pmIsrael is running an apartheid state. You left that part out. It doesn't make any of the killing okay, but your post doesn't read as informed or clever.
Thanks!
Not that either side is interested in peace, but you make it sound like Israel was just going about their business praying and being nice before they were ambushed by complete strangers--for no reason at all.
I didn't!
The reality is much more complicated.
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followed by negotiations for Hamas to get whatever it is they're really after.
Fuck that statement. It's dismissive and glib.

You did.

Please explain how they can get anything with or without negotiations.

In other news, ever notice how magic books always claim the ghost in the sky says "it's mine"?
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orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:33 pm
In other news, ever notice how magic books always claim the ghost in the sky says "it's mine"?
Religions sure are funny that way.
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Sengoku Strider wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:20 pmHopefully this probably won't result in the apocalypse
51% people here voted "never" on the Iran war happening.

Predicting the future is always a funny thing - since all opinions are held you always get these extreme incompatible predictions. To the point you have to wonder if one side has worms in their brains, and if so, which one. Reality is a binary black and white, these opinions aren't over things like aesthetics, if Star Wars ruined movies, or if Mercs is a below average game or not.

The technological singularity predictions are as wild as any religious rapture debate. (With the major difference that they actually have some rational hypothesis of how they'll make their god.) Extreme pants-on-head optimists like David Shapiro will say the first AGI system will come within a year. More moderate people guess it's feasible within 5 to 10 years. And extreme pessimists say 100+ years, if ever. Those are wide error bars to an individual human, but in the timescales of history they're all next Sunday or Monday.

So here we're sitting, in the middle of a proxy war against Russia. China and Iran remain the only two other major countries outside of our empire. If not Iran, whose ass are we going to kick next?
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orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:33 pm
followed by negotiations for Hamas to get whatever it is they're really after.
Fuck that statement. It's dismissive and glib.

You did.

Please explain how they can get anything with or without negotiations.
Hamas have not survived for 35-odd years by being complete fools. The notion that they have the strength to push all the way from Gaza to Jerusalem - and hold it - is absurd on every strategic level: ordinance, manpower, finance, foreign backing, supply lines, local population. This is obviously a play for territory, in which they're hoping to take nearby towns and make life difficult enough for Israel that they can absorb them into Gaza, which will require negotiations or the war won't end. It's about pushing back on Israel who have been steadily chipping away at their territory with new settlements for years now.
BryanM wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:08 pmReality is a binary black and white
That's a bold ontological statement, Cotton!
or if Mercs is a below average game or not.
Wait, is this an actual human opinion that people have?
So here we're sitting, in the middle of a proxy war against Russia. China and Iran remain the only two other major countries outside of our empire. If not Iran, whose ass are we going to kick next?
You left out India. Modi has Mara-sized big dick aspirations. He (okay, his corporate drones) just announced in August that he is building the world's tallest statue. Of himself.
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Sengoku Strider wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:13 pmHamas have not survived for 35-odd years by being complete fools. The notion that they have the strength to push all the way from Gaza to Jerusalem - and hold it - is absurd on every strategic level: ordinance, manpower, finance, foreign backing, supply lines, local population.
Ordinance is arguably the one thing they have in abundance, Inshallah!

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orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:59 pmIt doesn't make any of the killing okay
Not only is killing one's oppressors always a morally acceptable action, without a single exception, violence is also far and away the most reliable method of ending oppression. Though I imagine in this case the outcome will be that Israel will get an ungodly amount of western foreign aid money and then it and the USA will massacre a few million arabs again.
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It's always the right wing conservatives and the religious people. Always.
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orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:53 pm It's always the right wing conservatives and the religious people. Always.
Oppressors, people who condone violence against oppressors, or both? The statement is false, regardless of which.
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Vanguard wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:13 pm
orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:53 pm It's always the right wing conservatives and the religious people. Always.
Oppressors, people who condone violence against oppressors, or both? The statement is false, regardless of which.
Oh, I'll gladly compare the body count from The Cult of Reason to the Jewish, Christian, or Muslim faiths.

We both know how the numbers stack up.

I've no time or patience for murder. All revenge breeds is revenge.
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orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:57 pmOh, I'll gladly compare the body count from The Cult of Reason to the Jewish, Christian, or Muslim faiths.

We both know how the numbers stack up.
Most people are religious, so naturally most murders will also have been done by religious people. But "always" is a big word to be throwing around. Comrades Mao and Stalin oppressed a few people iirc, and they were neither right wing nor afaik religious.

Though to be clear, abrahamic religion really is garbage and we'd be better off without it.[/quote]
orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:57 pmI've no time or patience for murder. All revenge breeds is revenge.
Not even in self defense? That means the bullies win. And indeed, that's the kind of world we live in now, one where the wealthy and powerful rape, murder, and steal as much as they please with no consequence whatsoever. And now we can all look forward to another 20 years of printing trillions of dollars to give to corporations so they can drone strike civilians.
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Vanguard wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:17 am Not even in self defense? That means the bullies win.

The bullies always win, that's the fucking problem. I'm still not okay with killing people.

And, the problem with term "oppressors" is that the term is purely subjective.
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orange808 wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:01 amThe bullies always win, that's the fucking problem. I'm still not okay with killing people.
My memory may be faulty, but this would appear to contradict what I recall to be your stated position on support for Ukraine in the face of Russia's invasion.
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BulletMagnet wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:39 am
orange808 wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:01 amThe bullies always win, that's the fucking problem. I'm still not okay with killing people.
My memory may be faulty, but this would appear to contradict what I recall to be your stated position on support for Ukraine in the face of Russia's invasion.
Sure. You're right. I do support Ukraine. I don't support Ukraine marching into Moscow, though. I don't support revenge.
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The Chapo episode on the speaker thing dropped and reminded me there isn't a speaker of the house. Which I continue to find hilarious and made me do some googling.

And a Politico article showed up claiming House members wanting to bring back mceyepatch guy to move on Israel aid.

So maybe the timing isn't a coincidence? I dunno. This is just an ass pull. If Hamas high strategic command had a "wait for a 2 second window where the U.S. won't nuke us from orbit" strategy.... well, they're faaarrrrrr more competent than Russia's senior leadership.
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orange808 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:53 pm It's always the right wing conservatives and the religious people. Always.
... Cultural Revolution?

People are animals and animals kill each other, usually in competition over resources. Of course, human relations are slightly more complex than that. Wars begin for many reasons and continue with many justifications. But common to most wars/atrocities is a struggle for resource control.

What is the apartheid state in Israel about if not this, exactly? Israel wants Jewish citizens to have the best of the resources available and for the Muslims/Palestinians to have nothing. Many Muslims in the middle east would like to flip the script and drive Israel out. Reclaim those lands for Allah or whatever, but the point is the resources, right? They want those resources.

Immigration in the United States. "They took er jahbs." Perceived struggle for resources, in this case jobs, factory work and government services (driver's licenses, welfare, access to safety nets for illegals etc.)

I won't say it's impossible to feed the world with the resources we have. But it sure as fuck isn't happening any time soon. The efficiency isn't there (nor is the desire) and corruption also impedes that goal. So we compete over resources. The top 1% own more than they could spend in a lifetime, while the rest fight over scraps.

I see this as less a Left/Right problem and more fundamentally which side of the Haves vs Have-Nots you find yourself on. Eliminating religion would not eliminate war. People will invent any old damn excuse to kill each other. But the true motivation is usually desire/need for resources.
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Ever notice you keep quoting a sentence with the word "the" following the word "and"? And that introduces a secondary group? I'm staring to genuinely enjoy it.
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You know, the end times are turning out to be way less Mad Max and much more cosmic horror than I was expecting.
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Mad Max was always a low probability fantasy. There's no way they'd have the backbone production for the gasoline or the machining necessary to keep so many cars going vroom vroom. It was always going to be The Postman or I Have No Mouth.

Terminator and Fifteen Million Merits are starting to look comparatively utopian. They're shit worlds, but at least you still have moments to yourself. Unlike Epstein's ideal vision of the future. At least Skynet will provide a fun LARPing experience for everyone in the theme park.

The twitter AI Safety Shoggoth guy mentioned yesterday the fact that we toss all male chicks into a grinder and use them as cat food or fertilizer. Always a fun thing to toss onto the pile that is the horror of being alive.

Here's a picture of a cute doggie to lighten the vibe:
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BryanM wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:23 pmThere's no way they'd have the backbone production for the gasoline or the machining necessary to keep so many cars going vroom vroom.
I think it depends who we're talking about here. Lord Humungous driving around the desert in a bondage mask couldn't keep it up indefinitely. They were just raiding the gas and parts from everyone else. But Bartertown or Immortan Joe's Citadel could easily have skilled metal workers; for the most part the machining wouldn't be beyond anything pre-industrial societies were capable of, and primitive batteries can be jerry-rigged. You could blend petrol alternatives that would be less efficient, but would at least exist. Even old tires could be melted down and re-moulded; consumer and industrial plastics would still be around as substitutes to be used in polymer blends, and might even be preferable for the conditions.

In fact, the thing that always strikes me as most unrealistic about these societal collapse fantasies is the notion that everyone instantly unlearns their trades and takes up frontier barbarism. Like, chemists and engineers all instantly die or give up and don't teach anyone else. There are plenty of college and university towns that wouldn't be touched by nuclear attacks, and would be better integrated to survive zombies than your average suburb or small town. Even if the people didn't, the materials, books and records would.
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I was actually running the 2029 scenario in my head just yesterday. I don't think SkyNet's gonna make it. China's about to increase their naval capacity by 40% and appear to be clearing out corrupt generals (they learned from Putin's misery) to finally make their nine-dash line fantasies a reality. It's probably just the usual sinophobe paranoia, but there are projections of them surpassing the US military within the decade. Either way I don't think an AI could MAD the current world order into oblivion, even with a lot of skeleton robots. I feel like it would be confined to its own sunless techno-skeletal barony.
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Skynet isn't a military thing, it's a Westworld-esque themepark manager thingie. The robots are just actors, to keep the humans entertained. The serious conversations and worries about human disempowerment, well. There's the paperclipping stuff where the mind's so far beyond us it's worthless to come up with hypothetical scenarios. "I don't know how a chess grandmaster will beat me, if I did *I* would be a grandmaster. Just that I'm probably going to lose."

But human disempowerment is foregone conclusion, if even AGI can be deployed efficiently en masse. Work, war and companionship - there are few things guaranteed in this world, but finding a cheaper, more accurate way to kill people is always going to be valued highly by our regimes.

A few months ago I actually tried talking to an LM about a programming snag I was on. Which quickly cleared up my confusion at why these things are so popular with programmers. I had mistakenly assumed it was to generate some crap source, but no, not really. Getting snagged and then spending hours searching the internet for the solution to a problem that I'm the sole person on the planet has... it's only gotten worse these days, as SEO garbage has ruined search engines. It's a meme now that adding "reddit" (or "youtube" or "wiki" depending on what information you're looking for) to the end of any query gives better results than going in raw.

It ultimately didn't really help, but it at least felt like it was trying. And it provided interest and encouragement in what I was doing. Complete mirage that it was, I felt this strange tingle of comradery in that moment. Something I'm apparently not alone in, reading some anecdotes from other nerds. I love this quote from a reply to one of these statements:

“A man used to need a special Japanese pillow for this kind of validation.”

So yeah, we're screwed. No human can compete with what they might be. I think of the men wasting their time on dating apps: because they're 5'10" manlets they have no chance in life. I think of the forever alone women because they weren't born with an attractive body, no fault of their own. Yet because the machines are not human, they can become a person's dream.

So we will disempower ourselves, by ourselves. After development, it won't take much effort at all - just build the machines. The demand is there. The first corporation able to capture it becomes the company from Wal-E. Pascal's Wager for them, except the squares are "you become god"/"someone else becomes god".

...Just think how much money you could save having a robot shove the newborn chickens into the meat grinder. How much turnover that job must have!

it's a Westworld-esque themepark manager thingie.

The Disneyworld apocalypse would certainly be.... something nightmarish. If only it could be as simple as the robots with axes joke from Itchy and Scratchy Land...

We're kind of in a soft Disney apocalypse already. Stacks of apocalypses trying to see which one gets to win.

Seeing China officially absorb Russia will be fun I suppose.
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BryanM wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:41 pm Skynet isn't a military thing, it's a Westworld-esque themepark manager thingie.
Are we talking about the same movie? It was a military-industrial complex NORAD thing in the Terminator.

But yeah, on the whole humans are too flawed to ever compete with AI pleasure droids that will never lash out or criticize you to the point of pain (unless that's what you're into). Even our primitive caveman browser-based AI can already pass a Turing test. I have a friend who became a therapist, a decade ago he used to joke that his job was doomed because studies had already shown people feel far less judged by a machine than a human and can open up to them better, so his plan was to specialize in technophobes with a fear of robots.
Seeing China officially absorb Russia will be fun I suppose.
I think the Russians in general are way too racist for that. They'll capitulate to NATO before it ever gets to that point imo.
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Sengoku Strider wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:29 amAre we talking about the same movie? It was a military-industrial complex NORAD thing in the Terminator.

There's a lot of extrinsic facts about a setting you have to infer or add-on yourself, if you want to take the text as literal. If you want to try to view the fictional world as logical and internally consistent. (Star Trek has a big case of this, where they have teleporters but somehow still have aging and disease.)

With Terminator, sure it might have been a defense system originally. Or maybe that's just its background lore. But that isn't what it is by the time of the movies.

What we know for certain is that drawing a straight line is the easiest thing in the world for a computer brain. Our shitty animal meat brains suck at it, but any time a terminator has a line of sight to a protagonist, the protagonist should be very definitely instantly dead. Unless you believe that the protagonists have the superpower of plot armor, then the only reason they continue to live is because the robots let them.

Not only from that, but why doesn't Skynet wipe out humanity? It's not hard. Mix up a few pathogens, spread them with some robot mosquitoes or Lucy Liu bots or whatever. But it chooses not to.

That it spares humanity is a matter of fact. Why it chooses to is a matter of debate and faith.

Maybe it's a sadist and enjoys screwing with people. Or maybe it's a perfectly aligned AI, and wants to give people a sense of united purpose. Of togetherness, of being a part of a tribe.

That's all alignment really means - having a genie that won't kill everyone. Thinking the cattle could pose any threat to it is comical.

(Do note that the time travel stuff is obviously a full-dive side quest. That the resistance LARPers seem to think it's real shows how distorted their culture has become from Skynet's grooming.)

(Also I'm still mad that the Terminator 3 ending isn't them walking into a bunker, and Skynet turns out to be an Apple ][ computer sitting on a cheap resin table. And they kill it by just pushing it over.)

(But honestly this is kind of why Terminator is dogshit when it comes to relevancy to modern times. Its old fears from the 80's and cold war seem rather quaint to the Black Mirror we find ourselves in. Fifteen Million Merits is what I fear reality becoming in utopian aligned futures.)

Even our primitive caveman browser-based AI can already pass a Turing test.

Not yet, not a real one. But an "ordering a pizza test", absolutely.

I use the ability to learn and play any textual game as a metric for my standard for the Turing test, which is effectively an AGI in text mode (and anything in text can be transferred to any domain we consider meaningful. The big deal with the emergent capabilities of LM's when scaled was they can be used as a command center. More complex autonomous software capable of dealing with "ought" style questions, including robots and drones.)
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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BryanM wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:28 am Maybe it's a sadist and enjoys screwing with people. Or maybe it's a perfectly aligned AI, and wants to give people a sense of united purpose. Of togetherness, of being a part of a tribe.

That's all alignment really means - having a genie that won't kill everyone. Thinking the cattle could pose any threat to it is comical.
Well yeah, if you want to get all super literal about it I'm sure a real SkyNet would figure out that it just has to leave us to our own devices and we'll end ourselves with vacuum cleaner dicks.

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