HDMI>Component scaler suggestions

[TheRetroCarrot]

I'm looking to convert HDMI sources to component, inputs needed would be 720p, 1080i, 1080p, and output 480p and 1080i.

I picked up one of these and it does the job https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08L6DQJSH?psc ... ct_details , however there is some heavy color banding here and there noticeable on dark images.

I know the market for something like this is extremely niche so I'm not sure there is anything readily available anymore that would be any better, but figured I'd ask. Worst case scenario this cheap unit does work and for the most part does a pretty okay job.

[Josh128]

Portta's component to HDMI works very well, so you might give their HDMI to component box a try.

https://www.amazon.ca/Portta-YPBPR-Conv ... r=1-8&th=1

[RebeL9]

HD Fury 3.
It’s been proven to be the best even compared to Startech and Portta: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view#gid=0

[TheRetroCarrot]

HD Fury 3.
It’s been proven to be the best even compared to Startech and Portta: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view#gid=0

This looks great! Is the 3 and x3 basically the same thing? Lots of used options for the regular 2 or 3 that would save me a ton of money.

[RebeL9]

Yeah they are the same

[orange808]

I'm looking to convert HDMI sources to component, inputs needed would be 720p, 1080i, 1080p, and output 480p and 1080i.

You need a video processor to perform the scaling and scan conversion tasks. That HD Fury 3 is just a DAC.

Chain an Extron DSC 301 HD in front of your DAC. One frame of lag. The DSC 301 HD will output all the signals you want. No chroma subsampling. It has frame lock. Only HDMI output, but that's why you need the DAC.

As I write this, an Extron DSC 301 HD has a street value of ~$50usd in America.

I have no idea what your sources are. If you absolutely know that chroma subsampling wouldn't matter, you could get lower latency with a DVDO iScan vp30, iScan vp50, or iScan vp50pro. If you're not using "line doubled" graphics sources, subsampling will probably damage the signal of your video games or computers (it will "blur" the image). (I assume you aren't scaling video sources.) You can get analog video output from those DVDOs without an external DAC.

You're guaranteed better image quality with the Extron DSC 301 HD and progressive inputs. The DSC 301 HD is also easier to find and cheaper. I recommend the Extron and a good DAC. You didn't mention any interlaced 480i or PAL inputs. I'm assuming you don't need to deinterlace NTSC or PAL. Extron deinterlacing kinda sucks. I'd bypass the Extron when I wanted to feed a 1080i source (I assume you're feeding a plasma or an HD CRT). Don't let Extron touch anything interlaced.

Use a Time Sleuth to double check the latency on your display, too. Adding more latency might be a deal breaker.

Good luck.

[TheRetroCarrot]

I'm looking to convert HDMI sources to component, inputs needed would be 720p, 1080i, 1080p, and output 480p and 1080i.

You need a video processor to perform the scaling and scan conversion tasks. That HD Fury 3 is just a DAC.

Chain an Extron DSC 301 HD in front of your DAC. One frame of lag. The DSC 301 HD will output all the signals you want. No chroma subsampling. It has frame lock. Only HDMI output, but that's why you need the DAC.

As I write this, an Extron DSC 301 HD has a street value of ~$50usd in America.

I have no idea what your sources are. If you absolutely know that chroma subsampling wouldn't matter, you could get lower latency with a DVDO iScan vp30, iScan vp50, or iScan vp50pro. If you're not using "line doubled" graphics sources, subsampling will probably damage the signal of your video games or computers (it will "blur" the image). (I assume you aren't scaling video sources.) You can get analog video output from those DVDOs without an external DAC.

You're guaranteed better image quality with the Extron DSC 301 HD and progressive inputs. The DSC 301 HD is also easier to find and cheaper. I recommend the Extron and a good DAC. You didn't mention any interlaced 480i or PAL inputs. I'm assuming you don't need to deinterlace NTSC or PAL. Extron deinterlacing kinda sucks. I'd bypass the Extron when I wanted to feed a 1080i source (I assume you're feeding a plasma or an HD CRT). Don't let Extron touch anything interlaced.

Use a Time Sleuth to double check the latency on your display, too. Adding more latency might be a deal breaker.

Good luck.

Thanks for all the information. My primary use case will actually just be to scale Switch/Steam Deck/PS3 to 1080i for an HD CRT. So for the most part it would be 720p and 1080p, maybe entirely those resolutions, all NTSC. Based on what you've said the Extron combined with an HD Fury 2 or 3 seems like it would great unless I'm missing something? The TV itself doesn't do any processing so long as it's using the VGA inputs, which is also the only way it accepts 480p or 1080i signals, so latency really isn't an issue. I've looked at the DVDO products in the past but availability seems incredibly lacking, whereas the extron units I can easily find still on ebay.

I'm also looking for a solution to deinterlace 480i at some point, but that's mainly just for PS2 over component and I'm honestly not convinced anything will look better than the TVs built in scaling. It looks extremely convincing, though latency does exist it's not the end of the world for PS2 games.

PC doesn't really need anything I have plenty of hardware that will output 1080i for MAME.

[ldeveraux]

HD Fury 3.
It’s been proven to be the best even compared to Startech and Portta: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view#gid=0

pricey though, which is why people prefer the Portta

[kitty666cats]

A lot of people have suggested straight up DACs which won’t do any scaling. This thing will scale:

Hdiwousp HDMI to 1080P Component Video (YPbPr) Scaler Converter Adapter with Coaxial Audio Output + R/L Audio Support Windows 10,Black https://a.co/d/55WKLop

[RebeL9]

HD Fury 3.
It’s been proven to be the best even compared to Startech and Portta: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view#gid=0

pricey though, which is why people prefer the Portta

Check around on eBay. I found mine brand new in box last year for 35 USD.

[TheRetroCarrot]

I ended up going with a HD Fury 3 and DSC 301 HD combo. Also managed to pick up a 4 port VGA auto switch and 4 port HDMI auto switch by Extron.

They're not the cheapest once you pay shipping to Canada, but still a lot cheaper than other options considering the quality of Extron units. If the switchers I use for component are any indication I expect this should give me the best image quality for what I'm trying to do. The HD Fury X4 was another option for slightly more money but I figured the DSC would be a bit more simple since I'm just trying to convert to 1080i with as minimal latency and image modification as possible.

I forgot how many options Extron has, 4 port HDMI auto switcher for 25 bucks Canadian, (then you pay 50 dollars shipping lol), but paying $20 more than a cheap switcher off Amazon for broadcast quality equipment is pretty darn good I think.

It's too bad the Crosspoints are becoming harder to come across, not really any good 8 in 2 out switchers with audio on eBay right now due to shipping costs.