Connecting both RGBs and Component Video to 1 BNC input

[Rock Man]

I have a couple component and multiple RGB SCART sources I'd like to use on my PVM 20M2U WITHOUT cable swapping. Currently, if I wanna play Gamecube, XBOX or my component video-modded Neo Geo I must connect component and hit like 2 buttons. If I desire sync on composite I'll need to disconnect component, connect RGBs and hit 3 buttons. I'm looking for a way to JUST push the buttons and forget about it (in this instance, I wouldn't mind pressing buttons each time so long as I don't have to do surgery in back of the TV every time).

So, I heard of sync combiners but there's only one I am familiar with (VGA to Dsub I think?) is there a cheap but quality board/device where I can connect 2 separate inputs component and RGB SCART, then output BNC? Aside from using a GBS control or Retrotink and downscaling, linking up with a sync combiner. I'm trying to keep my Tink on the HDTV not the PVM.

Is there even any benefit to maintain both signals? For instance, is component 480i ybpbr (I think that's what they call it, yes?) better than sync over composite video or composite sync/syncstripper? I ask because my set-up is primarily SCART. Now I am aware I can simplify my set-up, a quality component switcher that takes 4 inputs then buy a COMP2RGB device from Mike Chi's site. The only difference I witnessed came through in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cmYkFxsIqU

I think component came out ahead, but the difference isn't massive I'm aware. I've come to appreciate subtle differences.

I suppose the question would be is there a device that can do 2 inputs, output both signals where I can switch back and fourth? Will I need two conversation devices like device A.) then let's say output is VGA device B.) would be an easy mode sync combiner VGA to Dsub then grab a VGA to BNC cable. What you guys think?

[Gara]

I'd get yourself an Extron SW2 RGBHV. It's relatively small and will let you switch back and fourth easily without quality lose. They used to be around $25 shipped, but I don't see many listings up. Just use simple RCA to BNC adapters to plug in your component cables.

Extron SW2 RGBHV

https://www.ebay.com/itm/225365977074

https://www.ebay.com/itm/302962471657

https://www.amazon.com/RuiLing-Female-A ... B00VUG00FI

You may be able to find the SW4 version cheaper, but it's a much bigger piece of equipment.

Personally I just route component through a COMP2RGB and plug it into my Scart switchers. That way all my sources come out in RGB and I don't have to be hitting buttons on my monitors. I'm quite lazy though.

Edit: I'm not really following you with all the sync combiner talk. With the SW2 RGBHV it will output exactly what you feed it. So in your case it would be RGBs and YPbPr output. The output on the SW2 supports up to RGBHV, but like I said it will only output that if you feed it RGBHV.

[Rock Man]

I'd get yourself an Extron SW2 RGBHV. It's relatively small and will let you switch back and fourth easily without quality lose. They used to be around $25 shipped, but I don't see many listings up. Just use simple RCA to BNC adapters to plug in your component cables.

Extron SW2 RGBHV

Edit: I'm not really following you with all the sync combiner talk. With the SW2 RGBHV it will output exactly what you feed it. So in your case it would be RGBs and YPbPr output. The output on the SW2 supports up to RGBHV, but like I said it will only output that if you feed it RGBHV.

Naw your not lazy, I'm just a psychological mess when it comes to videos & retro gaming.

That Extron looks pretty dope and you're right it's exactly what I asked for! Forget what I said about the sync combiner nonsense I was talking out of my ass.

Let me guess, I plug something like this in for output?
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=566

Lastly, the SCART side of my set-up uses this this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202923127869?h ... R8yWq-fNYQ

I run the male SCART connector through my daisy-chained Otaku+Shinybow combo. Would the sync stripper part still work in this set-up? In other words: Switcher > SCART to BNC Cable with Sync Stripper > Extron SW2 RGBHV > Monoprice VGAHD-15 to 5 BNC RGB Cable > PVM

Something tells me it should but I'd like to make sure.

This extron 2-in-1 does look promising, you have been very helpful!

Edit: Upon further inspection of the back of the Extron SW2 RGBHV the output takes BNC? So I should just get a high quality BNC cable, yes? I'll see if Monoprice has one.

Edit 2: Okay, I just realized the same company that made my normal SCART switcher also made this: https://otaku-games.com/misc/rgb/scart- ... using.html

According to the description it can do Component and RGB. It's the more expensive solution perhaps I'm better off ditching the RGB-only Otaku switcher and upgrading to the RGB+Component version

[Gara]

Naw your not lazy, I'm just a psychological mess when it comes to videos & retro gaming.

That Extron looks pretty dope and you're right it's exactly what I asked for! Forget what I said about the sync combiner nonsense I was talking out of my ass.

Let me guess, I plug something like this in for output?
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=566

Lastly, the SCART side of my set-up uses this this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202923127869?h ... R8yWq-fNYQ

I run the male SCART connector through my daisy-chained Otaku+Shinybow combo. Would the sync stripper part still work in this set-up? In other words: Switcher > SCART to BNC Cable with Sync Stripper > Extron SW2 RGBHV > Monoprice VGAHD-15 to 5 BNC RGB Cable > PVM

Something tells me it should but I'd like to make sure.

This extron 2-in-1 does look promising, you have been very helpful!

Edit: Upon further inspection of the back of the Extron SW2 RGBHV the output takes BNC? So I should just get a high quality BNC cable, yes? I'll see if Monoprice has one.

Edit 2: Okay, I just realized the same company that made my normal SCART switcher also made this: https://otaku-games.com/misc/rgb/scart- ... using.html

According to the description it can do Component and RGB. It's the more expensive solution perhaps I'm better off ditching the RGB-only Otaku switcher and upgrading to the RGB+Component version

More like this;
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=91
You'd only be using 4 of the 5 leads though. Looks like Monoprice is getting out of the BNC game as they used to have 4 lead versions of that cable.

Your sync stripper cable should work fine.
Switcher > SCART to BNC Cable with Sync Stripper > Extron SW2 RGBHV > Male 4/5 BNC to Male BNC Cable > PVM

Is Otaku Games still in business? I had heard they are not fufilling orders on their main site and they seem to have completely dropped off social media. I've heard their Aliexpress stuff is shipping fine though. I don't know anything about that particular switch, but I'm personally not a fan of units that try to be all in one solutions. There always seems to be compromises. I'd recommend trying to find a reliable review of the unit before buying. The quality isn't always there with these various Aliexpress/Otaku-Games switches.

[SavagePencil]

Doesn’t that model of PVM have two sets of inputs? Any reason you can’t run RGBS to input A and YPbPr to input B?

[Rock Man]

More like this;
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=91
You'd only be using 4 of the 5 leads though. Looks like Monoprice is getting out of the BNC game as they used to have 4 lead versions of that cable.

Your sync stripper cable should work fine.
Switcher > SCART to BNC Cable with Sync Stripper > Extron SW2 RGBHV > Male 4/5 BNC to Male BNC Cable > PVM

Is Otaku Games still in business? I had heard they are not fufilling orders on their main site and they seem to have completely dropped off social media. I've heard their Aliexpress stuff is shipping fine though. I don't know anything about that particular switch, but I'm personally not a fan of units that try to be all in one solutions. There always seems to be compromises. I'd recommend trying to find a reliable review of the unit before buying. The quality isn't always there with these various Aliexpress/Otaku-Games switches.

That's depressing knowing Monoprice has given up on BNC cables. There are still plenty of working PVMs and BVMs out there. Thanks to you at least I'll know what type of leads to look for if I wind up buying our aforementioned Extron device.

RetroRGB himself reviewed a switcher like this and gave it high praise.
https://youtu.be/QiivayiBroc

That gave me confidence in the switcher. I only have 2 complaints with the one I own; for starters I couldn't get it to work on my 1080p Plasma HDTV. Meanwhile the Shinybow, Hama and Keene Commander matrix switchers all worked perfectly. I could only get the Otaku switch to function on my PVM. That maybe human error on my part I didn't play around with it too much on the HD set but still I considered that to be an issue. The other weird thing is when I tried to use the 6-way Shinybow to START the daisy-chain the Otaku switch wasn't having any of it. The only way I could join them into a union is if the Otaku switch starts the daisy-chain and goes to the TV output, not the Shinybow. Otaku will bully a Shinybow in everyones set-up!

Otherwise the switcher has served me well, had it for about a year and half but it's time for a change. As for costumer service from Otaku games, my first switcher took a long ass time to arrive. IIRC it may have been a 2-3 months! They were OK not great on getting back to me. That part was VERY annoying because you pay good money for this expensive equipment only to discover you'll have to wait an eternity to use! The good news is the people there were nice to me regarding delays. But it's such a sync in the ass!

Gonna try Aliexpress, see if I can track down that switcher. Once again thank you so much for the advice/wisdom on these solutions! Your knowledge about this stuff is thorough.

Doesn’t that model of PVM have two sets of inputs? Any reason you can’t run RGBS to input A and YPbPr to input B?

Doesn't look like it.

https://imgur.com/3Ml2jBw

If it does then holy shit did I misunderstand the situation here! I pulled this up.

https://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/mode ... /pvm20.pdf

The only part I thought took RGBs/YPbPr was the RGB/Component connection at the bottom. Believe me if I thought my TV had two inputs I wouldn't have even bothered with this topic.

[SavagePencil]

Ah I got yours mixed up with the 20M2MDU, which does have two sets of inputs.

[Rock Man]

Ah I got yours mixed up with the 20M2MDU, which does have two sets of inputs.

Your good.

[Gara]

It's triple the price, but it's the best of the best and a heck of a lot more friendly to chaining. The mighty Gscartsw! You could probably make a good chunk of that back reselling your existing gear. With the latest version you can even insert YPbPr component with a custom component to Scart cable. Plug your component switch into that custom cable and you'll get RGB and YPbPr output in a single cable on the Gscartsw outputs. I used to use it for that purpose before I upped my laziness level and bought a Comp2rgb.

You even have a rare chance to buy one without a 7 month Castlemania preorder. SuperG (the creator) is selling leftovers on Ebay. If you're interested buy it fast as I only see 11 more listed and it won't take long for those to go.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144922088029

https://retro-access.com/products/custo ... erpsje-nze

[Rock Man]

It's triple the price, but it's the best of the best and a heck of a lot more friendly to chaining. The mighty Gscartsw! You could probably make a good chunk of that back reselling your existing gear. With the latest version you can even insert YPbPr component with a custom component to Scart cable. Plug your component switch into that custom cable and you'll get RGB and YPbPr output in a single cable on the Gscartsw outputs. I used to use it for that purpose before I upped my laziness level and bought a Comp2rgb.

You even have a rare chance to buy one without a 7 month Castlemania preorder. SuperG (the creator) is selling leftovers on Ebay. If you're interested buy it fast as I only see 11 more listed and it won't take long for those to go.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144922088029

https://retro-access.com/products/custo ... erpsje-nze

Here I was pondering whether I should buy the switcher from AliExpress or wait until I hear back from Otaku-Games (e-mailed them) before buying their switcher. Their $100 dollar switcher comes with a built-in converter, and it looks like it takes up to 12 inputs when you include component RCA. Now whether they let you use all 12 inputs with one source powered on at a time or exclusively 6 input sources, component or RGB I'm less sure of. I'm aware the ouput for it MUST be either component or RGB

I am familiar with the Gscartsw and wanted it for a while. I keep constantly putting it on the back burner lol! $300 dollars did the price go up due to parts shortages? I thought it was $200 I'll have to see if I even have the money. Hope I'm not short. Guess I won't be buying that Xbox Series X anytime soon. Would this happen to have a built-in converter to convert the signal of my RGB consoles like the SNES and Genny to component YPbPr like the Otaku switch or does it lack that feature? Not necessarily a deal-breaker if it doesn't have it (I could always get that Otaku switcher much MUCH later if need be) but that's something I'll wanna know

I used to use it for that purpose before I upped my laziness level and bought a Comp2rgb.

Love this line!

I may get COMP2RGB at some point after I buy this switcher. Never know when I might get tired of pushing buttons on the TV although I'm 100% fine with doing it for now. Stressing the words for now

[Gara]

The Gscartsw was $240, but it keeps climbing in price from part shortages. A little under 2 years ago you could get one for as little as $206 with a coupon on Castlemania.

It won't convert RGB to YPbPr or YPbPr to RGB. It will allow you to send YPbPr and RGB over Scart. So you'll get your one cable solution if you run your component switch into the Gscartsw with the cable I linked or an adapter/cable like it. You will just have to manually use the buttons to switch between YPbPr and Scart on your PVM. If you use a PS2 via RGB it will also convert the 480p sync on green games to RGBs. If you end like me and don't feel like pressing buttons on your PVM then just add a Comp2RGB to the mix.

Let us know if you hear back from Otaku Games. I tried an email ages ago when the rumors of the owner being dead started going around, but they never responded. If they are still in business they really need to start having some online presence.

[maxtherabbit]

You're going to have a better result choosing between RGB/YPbPr on the PVM than you would using an external transcoder

[Rock Man]

The Gscartsw was $240, but it keeps climbing in price from part shortages. A little under 2 years ago you could get one for as little as $206 with a coupon on Castlemania.

It won't convert RGB to YPbPr or YPbPr to RGB. It will allow you to send YPbPr and RGB over Scart. So you'll get your one cable solution if you run your component switch into the Gscartsw with the cable I linked or an adapter/cable like it. You will just have to manually use the buttons to switch between YPbPr and Scart on your PVM. If you use a PS2 via RGB it will also convert the 480p sync on green games to RGBs. If you end like me and don't feel like pressing buttons on your PVM then just add a Comp2RGB to the mix.

Let us know if you hear back from Otaku Games. I tried an email ages ago when the rumors of the owner being dead started going around, but they never responded. If they are still in business they really need to start having some online presence.

You'll be the first to know whether they get back. It's normally that Candy girl who responds to my messages so I'll look for a message from her. I'm starting to believe the rumors I've red too many posts that's said he's gone, it's been too long.

Bought the Gscartsw along with switch cable. I'll let you guys know how it is.

You're going to have a better result choosing between RGB/YPbPr on the PVM than you would using an external transcoder

How much better a result and have you seen this effect with the Gscartsw specifically? If the drop off in quality is about 2-3 notches, I'll deal. But if I were to clarify, I used to use a Pelican component video switcher (the switcher with the bird art) and connecting my component sources raw will give me the expected clear picture. Connecting them under the Pelican dims the picture/colors a notch or two. But not enough to be a deal-breaker.

In your estimation, will any external transcoder that also grants RGB/component do the same or worse as the Pelican? Worse being the scarier option.

EDIT: Question, I own a CMVS from Analogue Interactive. Will the switcher work with that? The CMVS works fine on all of my switchers. In theory plugging it into the Gscartsw is no different, correct? I'm asking because his disclaimer reads no superguns or else it voids the warranty. I don't think a supergun is packed in there correct me if I'm wrong? The two sources I want to use on it that aren't necessarily normal consoles are the MiSTer FPGA, CMVS, maybe later down the line Xbox One and PS4. Are these sources fair game? Don't need any problems down the road but I long for the convenience of switching everything I own.

[Gara]

You're going to have a better result choosing between RGB/YPbPr on the PVM than you would using an external transcoder

You should probably clarify things a bit if you're going to say that. Are you commenting about it on a theoretical level or do you see real world differences when using a Comp2rgb?

EDIT: Question, I own a CMVS from Analogue Interactive. Will the switcher work with that? The CMVS works fine on all of my switchers. In theory plugging it into the Gscartsw is no different, correct? I'm asking because his disclaimer reads no superguns or else it voids the warranty. I don't think a supergun is packed in there correct me if I'm wrong? The two sources I want to use on it that aren't necessarily normal consoles are the MiSTer FPGA, CMVS, maybe later down the line Xbox One and PS4. Are these sources fair game? Don't need any problems down the road but I long for the convenience of switching everything I own.

No idea on the CMVS. A google search shows this post;
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.p ... 2#p1432192
I'm not sure if there are hardware/cable variations with the CMVS or anything there that might cause issue.

As long as you have a properly made VGA to Scart cable on your MiSTer it will work fine. I use this one without issue
https://retro-access.com/products/mister-io-scart

Congrats on the Gscartsw purchase! Painfully expensive, but they do work great. I use 3 of them chained together in my own setup. Just put them out of the way and enjoy auto switching.

[Rock Man]

You're going to have a better result choosing between RGB/YPbPr on the PVM than you would using an external transcoder

You should probably clarify things a bit if you're going to say that. Are you commenting about it on a theoretical level or do you see real world differences when using a Comp2rgb?

EDIT: Question, I own a CMVS from Analogue Interactive. Will the switcher work with that? The CMVS works fine on all of my switchers. In theory plugging it into the Gscartsw is no different, correct? I'm asking because his disclaimer reads no superguns or else it voids the warranty. I don't think a supergun is packed in there correct me if I'm wrong? The two sources I want to use on it that aren't necessarily normal consoles are the MiSTer FPGA, CMVS, maybe later down the line Xbox One and PS4. Are these sources fair game? Don't need any problems down the road but I long for the convenience of switching everything I own.

No idea on the CMVS. A google search shows this post;
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.p ... 2#p1432192
I'm not sure if there are hardware/cable variations with the CMVS or anything there that might cause issue.

As long as you have a properly made VGA to Scart cable on your MiSTer it will work fine. I use this one without issue
https://retro-access.com/products/mister-io-scart

Congrats on the Gscartsw purchase! Painfully expensive, but they do work great. I use 3 of them chained together in my own setup. Just put them out of the way and enjoy auto switching.

Thanks for recommending me, I wouldn't have been confident enough to buy one now without your expertise. Painfully expensive is right now am flat broke! LOL! The dev reassured me of everything you said and now I'm pumped for my Gscartsw! No more cable swapping yahoo! The shinybow is the prime candidate for me to chain up since it offers one input more than my Otaku. From what I've read in the thread it sounds like the CMVS will be fine. I'm using cables from the manufacturer of that unit so I don't expect a problem. May try component video to start.

[maxtherabbit]

You're going to have a better result choosing between RGB/YPbPr on the PVM than you would using an external transcoder

You should probably clarify things a bit if you're going to say that. Are you commenting about it on a theoretical level or do you see real world differences when using a Comp2rgb?

I have never used a comp2rgb specifically, so I guess I would have to answer "theoretical"

However I have owned and used many other analog domain transcoders over the years and EVERY SINGLE one has had a flaw of some kind compared to proper component decoding in the set itself. I do not believe it is possible to make the "perfect" transcoder

[maxtherabbit]

You're going to have a better result choosing between RGB/YPbPr on the PVM than you would using an external transcoder

How much better a result and have you seen this effect with the Gscartsw specifically? If the drop off in quality is about 2-3 notches, I'll deal. But if I were to clarify, I used to use a Pelican component video switcher (the switcher with the bird art) and connecting my component sources raw will give me the expected clear picture. Connecting them under the Pelican dims the picture/colors a notch or two. But not enough to be a deal-breaker.

I don't understand this, my statement was about transcoders and you are asking about switchers - unrelated

[Rock Man]

You're going to have a better result choosing between RGB/YPbPr on the PVM than you would using an external transcoder

How much better a result and have you seen this effect with the Gscartsw specifically? If the drop off in quality is about 2-3 notches, I'll deal. But if I were to clarify, I used to use a Pelican component video switcher (the switcher with the bird art) and connecting my component sources raw will give me the expected clear picture. Connecting them under the Pelican dims the picture/colors a notch or two. But not enough to be a deal-breaker.

I don't understand this, my statement was about transcoders and you are asking about switchers - unrelated

Misinterpreted your statement about transcoders to include switchers. My mistake.