PS2 Sync-on-green (RGsB) question.

[Legi0n]

So when the PS2 outputs 480p in RGB mode, the signal turns into RGsB ...

I am looking at this RGB adapter:

https://a.co/d/fIZvULg

Does this adapter accept RGsB from PS2 ?

[Gara]

I don't own this adapter, but from what I'm seeing in the reviews it is restricted to 480i/240p to 720p upscaling and it has no support for PS2 titles that have a progressive scan 480p mode.

If you're interested in the lower end solutions you might consider one of the devices that gives YPbPr to HDMI. They output a straight 480i or 480p and they let your TV do the upscaling. You're at the mercy of how well your TV handles this though. These devices usually have issues like crushing blacks or other things like that and I've seen various hardware variations through the years. So I have no idea how good any of these are

https://www.amazon.ca/Kaico-Playstation ... B06XBV1L8Q

[Legi0n]

I don't own this adapter, but from what I'm seeing in the reviews it is restricted to 480i/240p to 720p upscaling and it has no support for PS2 titles that have a progressive scan 480p mode.

If you're interested in the lower end solutions you might consider one of the devices that gives YPbPr to HDMI. They output a straight 480i or 480p and they let your TV do the upscaling. You're at the mercy of how well your TV handles this though. These devices usually have issues like crushing blacks or other things like that and I've seen various hardware variations through the years. So I have no idea how good any of these are

https://www.amazon.ca/Kaico-Playstation ... B06XBV1L8Q

do all PS2 games output in either 240p or 480i and the 480p is an option that you can turn on ? or are there games that only output in 480p ?

[Bassa-Bassa]

do all PS2 games output in either 240p or 480i and the 480p is an option that you can turn on ? or are there games that only output in 480p ?

They do, it is just for a few cases (though you can force the option through hacking in many other cases) and there aren't.

[neorichieb1971]

I don't own this adapter, but from what I'm seeing in the reviews it is restricted to 480i/240p to 720p upscaling and it has no support for PS2 titles that have a progressive scan 480p mode.

If you're interested in the lower end solutions you might consider one of the devices that gives YPbPr to HDMI. They output a straight 480i or 480p and they let your TV do the upscaling. You're at the mercy of how well your TV handles this though. These devices usually have issues like crushing blacks or other things like that and I've seen various hardware variations through the years. So I have no idea how good any of these are

https://www.amazon.ca/Kaico-Playstation ... B06XBV1L8Q

do all PS2 games output in either 240p or 480i and the 480p is an option that you can turn on ? or are there games that only output in 480p ?

PS2 boots up in 480i.

Some games have the option to switch to 480p, its quite a decent percentage. Some you need to press x and triangle at the bootup of the game (Tekken 4 etc), some have the option in the display modes.

Some JP games are 240p throughout and won't display through HDMI at all. These are mostly things like emulated games like Wonderboy collection. The Cave PS2 ports are 240p throughout.

PS1 games through PS2 are mostly 240p and won't play, some have 480i menus and gameplay modes but its more miss than hit.

HDMI adapters will only work on 480i / p modes.

[Bassa-Bassa]

The Wonder Boy collection lets the user pick 240p, 480i and 480p outputs, indeed.

[cfx]

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[bobrocks95]

Some games have the option to switch to 480p, its quite a decent percentage.

Percentage wise it's quite low for PS2 480p support considering how big the library is. It's nice to have 480p support in the chain but far from necessary, compared to the Gamecube or Xbox.

Some JP games are 240p throughout and won't display through HDMI at all. These are mostly things like emulated games like Wonderboy collection. The Cave PS2 ports are 240p throughout.

Wonder Boy and other M2 Sega Ages collections allow the choice of 240p, 480i, and 480p.

Cave PS2 ports should be 480i in yoko mode and 240p in tate mode- can't speak for all but Espgaluda I've definitely played 480i yoko. This gets you the full vertical resolution at the cost of interlacing artifacts. The PS1 Cave ports just have the old cropped 240p yoko modes that are difficult to play.

[Legi0n]

I have a 1080P and a 720P TVs, they both accept 480i through component-in but not HDMI-in.

The Pound and LevelHike adapters accept 240p and 480i but since they only accept RGB signals, when you turn progressive scan on, they fail. They do not have a fix for the RGsB problem. GBSC/OSSC have a fix for this. these two adapters(Pound, LevelHike) can upscale to 720p.

This adapter has a RGB/Component switch so it wont have any problems and it upscales to 1080p: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/304760767603?mk ... media=COPY

I guess it wont work with my 720p TV ?

So which setup gives me the best picture and lowest lag:

1- Connect the PS2 directly to the TVs using a HD Retrovision component cable.

2- PS2 --> HD Retrovision --> GBS-control --> upscaled to 1080p/720p --> HDMI out --> TV

3- Convert PS2 signal to HDMI using the Portta converter and then use mClassic to upscale to 4k/1080p/720p.

4- Use PS2 to HDMI adapters like Levelhike, Pound or the eBay one in the link above ?

[Guspaz]

The PS2 is mostly 480i, so it has to be deinterlaced. Your TV's deinterlacer will be extremely good from a quality standpoint, but will add quite a bit of lag. That rules out option 1 and 3, since both of those directly expose the 480i signal to the TV (the mClassic does not have a deinterlacer and runs in bypass/passthrough mode for 480i). Option 2, the GBS-Control has a motion adaptive deinterlacer option like the RT5X, not sure how much latency it adds. The RT5X motion adaptive deinterlacer does not add any lag. As for option 4, those things are always a crapshoot, they could be OK, they could be terrible. Probably terrible.

[Bassa-Bassa]

The best PS2 games are either, 240p or 480p, but I guess that's just me. It'll be a shame he ends up running stuff like Gradius V at 480i just for not knowing it's actually 480p with some extra effort, though.

[bobrocks95]

Gradius V doesn't support 480p natively, it's just one of the very small list of games that can be forced into 480p with homebrew.

I don't have a huge PS2 collection or anything, but of my titles which are all at least generational exclusives (ie at some point they were all PS2 exclusives; most still are), only 3 out of 31 support 480p natively. Trying to mess around with GSM for hours years ago I got one or two titles working properly in 480p, the rest cut off large parts of the image, broke on all FMVs, flickered like crazy, didn't work at all, or some combination of all of those.

Last I checked even PCSX2's general approach is to just deinterlace, since so many games use the field rendering trick Sony advised developers to in their SDK documentation and fall apart when forced to 480p.

[Gara]

I have a 1080P and a 720P TVs, they both accept 480i through component-in but not HDMI-in.

The Pound and LevelHike adapters accept 240p and 480i but since they only accept RGB signals, when you turn progressive scan on, they fail. They do not have a fix for the RGsB problem. GBSC/OSSC have a fix for this. these two adapters(Pound, LevelHike) can upscale to 720p.

This adapter has a RGB/Component switch so it wont have any problems and it upscales to 1080p: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/304760767603?mk ... media=COPY

I guess it wont work with my 720p TV ?

So which setup gives me the best picture and lowest lag:

1- Connect the PS2 directly to the TVs using a HD Retrovision component cable.

2- PS2 --> HD Retrovision --> GBS-control --> upscaled to 1080p/720p --> HDMI out --> TV

3- Convert PS2 signal to HDMI using the Portta converter and then use mClassic to upscale to 4k/1080p/720p.

4- Use PS2 to HDMI adapters like Levelhike, Pound or the eBay one in the link above ?

I didn't know they made one with an RGB and YPbPr switch. That's kinda neat. It says 1080p output and doesn't appear to have anything to control that.

You need to look up how much lag your displays add with 480i via component. Some displays are pretty good with it, but the majority add a ton of lag. Hopefully you can find a review that mentions lag measurements or you'll need something like the Timesleuth to measure it yourself.

I don't know the actual measurements on the GBS-Control for its 480i motion adaptive deinterlacing, but it's fairly low from what I understand.

The Mclassic requires 480p input so it won't work with straight up 480i out of the Portta.

I'd go with the Gbs-control. I believe in terms of picture quality it is known as the third best of the game related video processors for 480i. Framemeister>Retrotink 5x>GBS-Control.