PCE, SegaCD/32X Shooters

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:56 am

Hi and greetings to everyone at shmups

I was wondering What shooters would you recommend for the Sega CD/32X and the PC Engine.

So far.... onthe PCE I've played the star solider series and gunhead, I truly love these games

Nei First · Post by **Nei First** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:59 am

Sega CD, one word ALESTE!! Trust me.

Oh, and welcome man.

jpolz · Post by **jpolz** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:01 am

Blazing Lazers/Gunhed is one of my all-time favorite shooters.

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:04 am

ALESTE I still need to spend some time on this, I haven't really got into It as of yet

and M.U.S.H.A also.

Gunhed Is indeed jpols

Thanks for the welcome btw

Blue Lander · Post by **Blue Lander** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:05 am

32X:
Nothing, forget about it.

Sega CD:
Robo Aleste
Bari Arm

PC Engine: (I assume no CD games here)
Blazing Lazers
Super Star Soldier
Final Soldier
Image Fight
Gradius

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:15 am

Wow.... So there wasn't anything of interest on the 32X then

Just for the record could you list PCE CD titles,

Blue Lander · Post by **Blue Lander** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:20 am

I think there's one pseudo-shmup for it, but I don't think it's any good.

PCE CD:
Spriggan (Very similar to MUSHA and Robo Aleste, possible better)
L-Dis
Sapphire
Star Parodier
Lords of Thunder
Gate of Thunder (This one's also on HuCard, actually)
Hellfire S

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:21 am

Well, you might be interested with Kolibri, the best hummingbird based shmup ever made for the 32X.

And am I the only one that enjoyed Keio's Flying Squadron on the Sega CD?

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:21 am

PCE's mostly for collectors...highly priced, but not much there.

Excellent Gradius conversion and Final Blaster are my favorites...I never liked gunhed, soldier blade is ok, takes too long to get hard, same with super star soldier.

Sega CD has lords of thunder which is ok. PCE cd has it too.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:23 am

PCE also has ports of Raiden, Fantasy Zone, Detana Twinbee, Salamander, and an updated version of Xevious. Umm, the stand alone PC Engine Core Grafx system and the US TG-16 aren't highly priced and some good imports like Detana Twinbee and Xevious can be picked up for fairly cheap. Now if you are looking for the CD stuff, it's a different story. From what I have seen, the Japanese Turbo Duos are cheaper than the US ones. I think some of the ebay sellers are selling US games and systems at inflated prices. Bullseye_Games_Collectables has put up a Raiden that had thre same picture used for three different buy it now auctions and slightly different prices and conditions.

Cugel · Post by **Cugel** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:24 am

SheSaidDutch wrote:Wow.... So there wasn't anything of interest on the 32X then

Actually there are good games for the 32x: Virtua Fighter, Virtua Racer, Star Wars Arcade, and Shadow Squadron.

And of course the best hummingbird shooter (according to Penny Arcade): Kolibri.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:25 am

Nuke wrote:Well, you might be interested with Kolibri, the best hummingbird based shmup ever made for the 32X.

actually, there was another hummingbird shmup on the 32X that was much better. afraid i can't remember its name though.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:28 am

Blue Lander wrote:I think there's one pseudo-shmup for it, but I don't think it's any good.

PCE CD:
Spriggan (Very similar to MUSHA and Robo Aleste, possible better)
L-Dis
Sapphire
Star Parodier
Lords of Thunder
Gate of Thunder (This one's also on HuCard, actually)
Hellfire S

That 32X "Shmup-like " game is called Kilabri...or something like that. Anyway, you're a Humming Bird. Gameplay is similar to Bangai-o. (not too great)

Gate of Thunder on HuCard!!??

I've never heard or seen that...
I'm willing to bet thats a typo!

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:30 am

PCE:

Gate of Thunder (CD)

Star Parodia (CD)

Hucards in no particular order:

Air Zonk (awesome comical shooter with large, well detailed sprites)

Super Star Soldier

Blazing Lazers/Gunhed

Jap Hucards:

Twinbee

Parodius

Gradius

Salamander (aka Life Force)

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:33 am

Well, the only game on the 32X that can be remotely classified as a shooter is Kolibri and even it many times feels more like Ecco the Dolphin than a shooter since you can backtrack left and right and up and down until boss time. It's pretty boring IMO.

For the SCD, there's only 6 shooters:
Android Assault/Bari Arm (awesome)
Sol-Feace (awesome, although many would beg to differ on account of its simplicity)
Lords of Thunder (awesome)
Robo Aleste (awesome)
Silpheed (mediocre)
Keio Flying Squadron (great, esp. for cute-em-up fans)

For PCE, some of the good ones include:
Gate of Thunder
Winds of Thunder/Lords of Thunder
Spriggan
Spriggan mk2
Image Fight II (well, maybe only I like this game...)
Macross 2036

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:37 am

captain ahar wrote:actually, there was another hummingbird shmup on the 32X that was much better. afraid i can't remember its name though.

Eh, nope, afraid not. No other "shooters" on the 32X. And certainly no other hummingbird games. Maybe you were thinking of Virtua Hamster, the other oddball title that was never released?

Blue Lander · Post by **Blue Lander** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:39 am

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote: Gate of Thunder on HuCard!!?? I've never heard or seen that...
I'm willing to bet thats a typo!

Whoops! That's what I get for typing when I'm half asleep.

tehkao · Post by **tehkao** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:40 am

Dude, the PCE is like the king of shmup consoles. There's no way anyone can give you a complete list here, there's like hundreds of em, from the good to the obscure. Here's just a small sample of those that weren't mentioned: Cotton, Download, Raxyanber, Sinistar, Dead Moon, Cybercore, Air Zonk, Aldynes, Zero Wing, Darius, Nexzr, etc etc etc etc etc etc...

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:44 am

hundreds

I'll settle for just the must haves/plays and the good Shmups

or I'll just settle for some links

MB · Post by MB » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:56 am

Fair warning: the 32X version of Star Wars Arcade is really quite wretched.

Well, these two have been mentioned, I enjoyed them much and happen to have a compulsion to post. Someone make me stop!

Dig around for Silpheed and Android Assault on the Sega CD. Neither are that expensive (I found the latter at a flea market for $5; I brought it home, popped it in, and promptly died). Silpheed is alright, but it has some HOLY F*CK(!) scripted moments that I've not yet seen be matched. Android Assault is just a blast. Happy hunting.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:02 am

tehkao wrote:Dude, the PCE is like the king of shmup consoles. There's no way anyone can give you a complete list here, there's like hundreds of em, from the good to the obscure. Here's just a small sample of those that weren't mentioned: Cotton, Download, Raxyanber, Sinistar, Dead Moon, Cybercore, Air Zonk, Aldynes, Zero Wing, Darius, Nexzr, etc etc etc etc etc etc...

I think you mean Sinistron, not Sinistar.

Cugel · Post by **Cugel** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:20 am

MB wrote:Fair warning: the 32X version of Star Wars Arcade is really quite wretched.

Dig around for Silpheed and Android Assault on the Sega CD. Neither are that expensive (I found the latter at a flea market for $5; I brought it home, popped it in, and promptly died). Silpheed is alright, but it has some HOLY F*CK(!) scripted moments that I've not yet seen be matched. Android Assault is just a blast. Happy hunting.

Star Wars Arcade 32x is not wretched. It's a good showcase of the 32x, but the game is extremely difficult and on rails. I like SW Arcade, but like Shadow Squadron more as it isn't on rails and has Wing Commander-like missions.

Android Assault is good fun. It's Sega's answer to GATES OF THUNDER. While I consider GATES to be better, Android Assault is a good horizontal shmup for the SegaCD.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:25 am

I think he's talking about the conversion since yes, Star Wars Arcade in the arcade looks infinitely better than the 32X version. At least Virtua Racing Deluxe had extra stuff and Virtua Fighter didn't look that good originally. SWA went from awesome mapped polygons to big blocks.

umi · Post by **umi** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:46 am

Don't forget Zaxxon Motherbase 2000 on the 32x... an isometric shmup.

p.s. Kolibri is awesome. Yes it's Ecco with a hummingbird, and admittedly not as good as Ecco, but still damn cool. And I have to agree with the general consensus here... by far the best hummingbird shmup on the 32X! :P

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:56 am

umi wrote:Don't forget Zaxxon Motherbase 2000 on the 32x... an isometric shmup.

I was wondering if anybody else remembered this. It's known as Parasquad in Japan, and is basically the 32X's answer to Viewpoint.

Post by **Ghegs** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:29 am

Actually, someone on the old forum had a complete list of each and every PCE shmup, CDs included. I have it printed out and use it as a checklist of sorts. I could type it out if there's any interest for it.

Anyway, some of my favourite PCE shmups:

Side Arms (can't believe nobody mentioned this yet)
Nexzr
Gate Of Thunder
Lords Of Thunder
Soldier Blade
Spriggan
Star Parodia
W-Ring

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:21 am

You Should'nt have posted that Ghegs

If you have time I would love that list

btw I loved the old forum, I used to read most of the posts

Nexzr *I've played Recca* This one I've got to try,

btw How much do these PCE games cost? I dont care for complete set(s), just the actual games.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:47 pm

Kiken wrote:
umi wrote:Don't forget Zaxxon Motherbase 2000 on the 32x... an isometric shmup.
I was wondering if anybody else remembered this. It's known as Parasquad in Japan, and is basically the 32X's answer to Viewpoint.

Yes I was reading all those replies too and wondering why people were not mentioning the 32X Zaxxon sequel. This was a 32X-exclusive sequel wasn't it?

Anyone here played it long enough to form an opinion of it?

Post by **Ghegs** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:12 pm

SheSaidDutch wrote:You Should'nt have posted that Ghegs
If you have time I would love that list

Here you go. The information is exactly as it was, typos included, by the original poster (don't know who that was, but credit goes to him), I just made a slight change in the formatting.

# Title Manufacturer Release

(Super) Hu-Card

1 * 1941 Counter Attack Hudson 1991
2 * 1943 Kai Naxat 1991
3 * Aero Blasters 1990
4 * After Burner II NEC-Ave 1990
5 * Aldynes Hudson 1991
6 * Armed Formation F Pack-In 1992
7 * Atomic Robo Kid Special UPL 1990
8 * Barunba Namco 1990
9 * Bouken Danshaken Don San-Heart Hen I'Max 1992
10 * Burning Angels Naxat 1990
11 * Coryoon Naxat 1991
12 * Cyber Core IGS 1990
13 * Daisenpu NEC-Ave 1990
14 * Darius Alpha NEC-Ave 1991
15 * Darius Plus NEC-Ave 1990
16 * Dead Moon-Gessekai No Akumu TSS 1991
17 * Deep Bue-Kaitei Shinwa Pack-In 1989
18 * Download NEC-Ave 1990
19 * Dragon Saber Namco 1991
20 * Dragon Spirit Namco 1988
21 * Fantasy Zone NEC-Ave 1988
22 * Final Blaster Namco 1990
23 * Final Soldier Hudson 1991
24 * Final Soldier Special Version Hudson ?
25 * Galaga 88 Namco 1988
26 * Gokuraku Chuka Taisen Taito 1992
27 * Gradius Konami 1991
28 * Gunhed Hudson 1989
29 * Gunhed Special Version Hudson ?
30 * Hana taakadaka!? Taito 1991
31 * Hany in the Sky Face 1989
32 * Heavy Unit Taito 1989
33 * Image Fight Irem 1990
34 * Kyuukyoku Tiger / Ultimate Tiger Taito 1989
35 * Magical Chase Palsoft 1991
36 * Metal Stoker Face 1991
37 * Mr. Heli no Daibouken Irem 1989
38 * Ordyne Namco 1989
39 * Override Data East 1991
40 * P 47-The Freedom Fighter Aicom 1989
41 * Paranoia Naxat 1990
42 * Parodius da!! Konami 1992
43 * PC-Denjin-Punkic Cyborgs Hudson 1992
44 * Power Gate Pack-In Video 1991
45 * Psycho Chaser Naxat 1990
46 * Rabio Lepus Special Video System 1990
47 * Raiden Hudson 1991
48 * Rock On Big Club 1989
49 * R-Type I Hudson 1988
50 * R-Type II Hudson 1988
51 * Salamander Konami 1991
52 * Side Arms NEC-Ave 1989
53 * Soldier Blade Hudson 1992
54 * Soldier Blade Special Version Hudson ?
55 * Space Harrier NEC-Ave 1988
56 * Space Invaders-Fukkatsu No Hi Taito 1990
57 * Super Star Soldier Hudson 1990
58 * Tatsujin Taito 1992
59 * Tenseiryû / Saint Dragon Aicom 1990
60 * Terra Cresta II Nichibutsu 1992
61 * Thunder Blade NEC-Ave 1990
62 * Toilet Kids Media Rings 1992
63 * Toy Shop Boys Victor 1990
64 * Twin Bee-deta na!! Konami 1992
65 * Violent Soldier IGS 1990
66 * W-Ring / Double Ring Naxat 1990
67 * Xevious-Fadraut Namco 1990

Arcade/Super/CD-Rom

1 * Ai Chouaniki NSC 1995
2 * Alzadick - Summer Carnival '93 Naxat 1992
3 * Avenger Telenet 1990
4 * CD-Denjin-Rockabilly Tengoku Hudson 1993
5 * Choaniki NCS 1992
6 * Cotton Hudson 1993
7 * Daisenpû Custom NEC-Ave 1991
8 * Download 2 NEC-Ave 1991
9 * Forgotten Worlds NEC-Ave 1992
10 * Gate Of Thunder Hudson 1992
11 * Ginga Fukei Densets-Sapphire Hudson 1995
12 * God Panic-Shijyou Saikyu Gundan Teichiku 1992
13 * Gradius II-Gofer no Yabou Konami 1992
14 * Hawk F-123 Pack-In Video
15 * Hellfire-S NEC-Ave 1991
16 * Image Fight 2 Irem 1992
17 * Kiaiden 00 Telenet 1992
18 * L-Dis NSC 1991
19 * Legion Telenet 1990
20 * Macross 2036 NSC 1992
21 * Metamor Jupiter NEC-Ave 1993
22 * Nexzr Naxat 1992
23 * Nexzr Special - Summer Carnival '92 Naxat 1993
24 * Psychic Storm Telenet 1992
25 * Rayxanber II Data West 1991
26 * Rayxanber III Data West 1992
27 * R-Type Complete CD Irem 1991
28 * Seirei Senshi Spriggan - Summer Carneval '91 Naxat 1991
29 * Side Arms Special NEC-Ave 1989
30 * Space Fantasy Zone (unrelease) NEC-Ave 1991
31 * Space Invaders - The Original Game NEC-Ave 1995
32 * Spriggan mkII - the terraforming Project Naxat 1992
33 * Star Parodia Hudson 1992
34 * Steam Hearts TGL 1996
35 * Super Darius NEC-Ave 1990
36 * Super Darius 2 NEC-Ave 1993
37 * Super Raiden Hudson 1992
38 * Sylphia Tonkin House 1993
39 * Terraforming Right Stuff Corp. 1992
40 * Winds Of Thunder Hudson 1993
41 * Wonderboy III-Monster Lair Hudson 1989
42 * Zero Wing Naxat 1992

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:44 pm

Thanks Ghegs for your time to find that list I'm greatful

Thanks to everyone's input and suggestions,8)
I Shall be trying some that have been mentioned *currently using an Emu*

How expensive Is the Turbo Duo exactly? and then those upgrades and CD's

I dont care for complete sets etc, I'd rather have just the actual game, How would that affect the price? Would there be a big difference?