star soldier VS doj (phones unfortunately)

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:03 am

seen at neo-arcadia
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060613/svd.htm

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:23 am

It`s a damn shame my mobile phone is one of those sucky types. Not old, but cheap (a cheap Sony-Ericcson but that doesn`t make it any less sucky), and actually worse then my `98 black-and-white Nokia. Anyway, there wouldn`t be any way to access this out of Japan, or would it?

I wonder how smooth those games run in motion. DDP:DOJ on the go, that would be something. Now if someone would release something like this on the GBA

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:30 am

http://www.cave.co.jp/mobile/ge-sen/imode_01.html

Other mobile games from Cave: Esprade, Espgaluda, Mushihime, Ketsui, Progear, DOJ. There should be a cell phone game emulator. Don`t cell phone games run in JAVA?

On the next page, it gets clear that there isn`t a single Cave shmup not avaiable on for cell phones:

http://www.cave.co.jp/mobile/ge-sen/imode_02.html

They included even Guwange, Donpachi and Feveron.

D · Post by D » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:51 am

Hmm, surely it should be possible to emulate these games?
Just curious

FJ, you beat me to it, sorry for the unintended double post

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:24 am

Caravan '06! Drool. How can I get those games?

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:25 am

D wrote:
FJ, you beat me to it, sorry for the unintended double post

No problem buddy. I guess this is the old tragedy; I want those games, I would pay for them, but I can`t get them. "New service at Play-Asia: Send your mobile to Japan, we load Cave games up, and send it back."

So maybe if I can`t play Ketsui maybe I can play CELLPHONE KETSUI at least! Yay! Dreams come true

But honestly, seing how low the resolution in Cave games is, those screenshots look like this would be very faithful ports. Esprade got it`s x16 multiplier, Ketsui its 1 to 5 chips, DoDonpachi the counter, bees, Galuda the Kakusei mode... japanese people seem to take their cell phone games a lot more serious than other audiences do.

I am waiting for a "Replace Nokia buttons with Sanwa parts" and "Weird colors when I tate my cellphone" threads

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:31 am

I renew my question, how are those games sold? Can you download them? I have a transfer cable for my Nokia, so could I play them on my phone?

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:40 am

Ceph wrote:I renew my question, how are those games sold? Can you download them? I have a transfer cable for my Nokia, so could I play them on my phone?

Hear you loud and clearly. I am looking around this page for ten minutes now and I have no idea. What was i-Mode again? It seems to be only downloadable via phone, I am not an expert with downloading/cellphone stuff. Then again, I use google translation on this site; maybe someone that can read japanese could tell us more.

chtimi-CLA, please help us.

Post by **Ghegs** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:42 am

That is both weird and very exciting.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:49 pm

Exactly. Reminds me a bit of how I was a little boy and absolutely nuts for Gameboy, and then, one day, I opened a magazine and it said there would be a Gameboy WITH COLOURS. A few years later I opened a magazine again and it said there would be a Gameboy as powerful as the Supernintendo, but I was already a bit older then and, sadly, the older I get the fewer the occasions get when you`re REALLY excited about something.

So this is a nice backlash to the days I was thinking "God loves me if he allows this to happen to me". Well, not quite, but it is not only cool, but WEIRD. Cave on cellphones? Yeah right. And then - it DOES exist.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:53 pm

I did some research. Brace yourselves: In Japan you can subscribe to the i-mode service (you pay a flatrate) and the games (and all other content) are FREE (no stupid pay-per-download)! Of course this can only be accessed in Japan. i-mode is offered by NTT docomo and is a sort of special cell-phone internet with all sorts of content.

I can't believe they are free, OMG FREE!!111!!!!!111!

Someone please get us these games!

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:06 pm

FrederikJurk wrote: Hear you loud and clearly. I am looking around this page for ten minutes now and I have no idea. What was i-Mode again? It seems to be only downloadable via phone, I am not an expert with downloading/cellphone stuff. Then again, I use google translation on this site; maybe someone that can read japanese could tell us more.

chtimi-CLA, please help us.

you will probably never be able to get this game on your phone, it is one of those japanese phone services. i'll attempt a translation:

neo-arcadia wrote: Mythic developer Hudson associates with no less mythic developer Cave for a cross-over of 2 of their best shooters: Star Soldier and Dodonpachi !
Star Soldier Vs Dodonpachi will be playable on.. japanese phone "Foma 900". The game plays Star Soldier levels with the DDP ship.
From June the 12th to August the 21th, Hudson organises the "Caravan stage 2006" on this game, not in a truck that drives through Japan as during the golden PCE era, but from afar on mobile phones. The 3 best scores win presents.

Hudson and Cave are phone gaming regulars, Hudson has been making it their specialty for a few years and cave already has 85 phone games! Those games are rarely mentioned here but it was impossible not to announce Star Soldier Vs Dodonpachi

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:30 pm

There`s only ONE type of phone that can play that? Well, sort of expecting it, since the ports seem to be very faithful graphically, which means powerful phones; phones that might not even be avaiable here in the western world. I doubt Cave would make games with 2 frames per second.

Well, maybe someday they`ll be emulated. I guess no "If you want to play it then buy it" discussion on this one.

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:11 pm

New cell phone game release from 8ing -
http://www.8ing.net/02-06.html

Soukyugurentai + Battle Garegga + Mahou Daisakusen

There's an advertisement page in the latest Arcadia.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:35 pm

Dang...for some reason they're able to release all these things at no cost for cell phones, but can't port them to a home console...I guess doing the former must be a lot cheaper, or something like that...

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:36 pm

They do charge for them...only 310Yen per download though.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:38 pm

In this order.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:39 pm

Hm, still, it's odd how they can (apparently) make a greater profit from that than from a console release. Then again, I a) have never been into portable gaming, and b) have never owned a cell phone, so I guess I'm kinda on the outside looking in, heh heh.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:42 pm

BulletMagnet wrote:Dang...for some reason they're able to release all these things at no cost for cell phones, but can't port them to a home console...I guess doing the former must be a lot cheaper, or something like that...

As I mentioned, I personally would be happy enough if they made a GBA, DS or even a PSP game ("even" because I don`t have one) from one of them. I crave for a GOOD shmup while traveling. Not that I travel so much

, but maybe to play them in a park or whatever.

There aren`t any movies about those games yet? Any idea how powerful these phones are? I don`t believe both Cave and Raizing would mess around with their good names to make crappy cell phone games - so this must be a real boost in cellphone-game quality.

And oxtsu, how many dollars or euro would this sum be? I am in the mood of crying today.

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:46 pm

Because there's more cell phone than console/handheld owners. It's much easier overall to deliver the product. I would only guess more profitable as well.

Frederik - In US dollars, it's about $2.80

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:49 pm

BulletMagnet wrote:Hm, still, it's odd how they can (apparently) make a greater profit from that than from a console release. Then again, I a) have never been into portable gaming, and b) have never owned a cell phone, so I guess I'm kinda on the outside looking in, heh heh.

I guess the number of people with cellphones is a big big deal bigger than those with consoles in Japan (as well as anywere else I guess), and a quick download for a couple of yens is much more an impulse buy than purchasing a console game - another reason while I didn`t buy a powerful phone, because I would spend my money on clones of Arkanoid and Pac-man.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:50 pm

Were having problems posting in the right order

2,80? This is GODDAMN cheap. Last time I checked the games offered here for cellphones were about 5 euro, and THOSE WEREN`T CAVE AND RAIZING SHMUP PORTS but some random crap games reminding me of bad flash games!

Nevermind the games seem to offer the same deep scoring mechanisms as in the original games.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:52 pm

oxtsu wrote:Because there's more cell phone than console/handheld owners. It's much easier overall to deliver the product.

Certainly true, but we are still talking about shmups here...a niche genre, less so in Japan than here, but still, you figure that most of those who would play games like these would prefer to do so either at an arcade machine or on a console, considering the limitations of the cell phone...at any rate, these companies are out to make a profit, so there must be SOME reason why marketing this stuff is more appealing to their customers than going a more "traditional" (for lack of a better word) route.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:00 am

BulletMagnet wrote:
oxtsu wrote:Because there's more cell phone than console/handheld owners. It's much easier overall to deliver the product.
Certainly true, but we are still talking about shmups here...a niche genre, less so in Japan than here, but still, you figure that most of those who would play games like these would prefer to do so either at an arcade machine or on a console, considering the limitations of the cell phone...at any rate, these companies are out to make a profit, so there must be SOME reason why marketing this stuff is more appealing to their customers than going a more "traditional" (for lack of a better word) route.

Okay, so let`s try to figure out the standard Japanese shmupper... I don`t know very much about japanese people but I guess most of them play shmups in Arcades, whereas many people in the western world play shmups via console, emulation or PCBs. So in addition to having those games in their arcades they can carry them around with them.

What is astonishing is they did not only publish their recent and most favourite games (Galuda, DoDonpachi, Mushi) but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, I mean c´mon, even Ketsui and Feveron. And I don`t think this was easy work for them to port or program them from scratch - and I don`t think a console port of Ketsui would be less work than porting all of their games on cellphones. They MUST be making more profit this way, or else they are totally batshit insane.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:14 am

http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/foma/index.html

Those are those thingys two of the greatest shmups developers are publishing the best shmups off all time on, for a cost of half a pack of cigarettes each, on a system you can slide in the ass-pocket of your jeans.

Ahh, the envy. Not a very christian thing.

EDIT - Reconsidering it, I seriously doubt you will play action-packed shmups on any of those with comfort. I thought more of those N-Gage-like devices; there even was some kind of joypad that could be attached to this one cellphone. But dodging and tapping on buttons as thin as the narrow side of a coins, I don`t know.

Maybe some japanese guy could make some cashola by buying phones there, loading them full with Cave and Raizing games, and then selling them for big cash via eBay to the shmup fetishist.

(And after thinking a while about it,

)

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:39 am

One of the Japanese users at gamengai posted this. At work, so no time to read through this thread, but I've postd some info in English here. Seems Cave and Caravan are quite cheap. To play the full game, you must pay the monthly fee from both companies.

Maybe some japanese guy could make some cashola by buying phones there, loading them full with Cave and Raizing games, and then selling them for big cash via eBay to the shmup fetishist

They would only be playable for a month, if that. All phone game are paid for monthly.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:06 am

FrederikJurk wrote:
BulletMagnet wrote:
oxtsu wrote:Because there's more cell phone than console/handheld owners. It's much easier overall to deliver the product.
Certainly true, but we are still talking about shmups here...a niche genre, less so in Japan than here, but still, you figure that most of those who would play games like these would prefer to do so either at an arcade machine or on a console, considering the limitations of the cell phone...at any rate, these companies are out to make a profit, so there must be SOME reason why marketing this stuff is more appealing to their customers than going a more "traditional" (for lack of a better word) route.
Okay, so let`s try to figure out the standard Japanese shmupper... I don`t know very much about japanese people but I guess most of them play shmups in Arcades, whereas many people in the western world play shmups via console, emulation or PCBs. So in addition to having those games in their arcades they can carry them around with them.

What is astonishing is they did not only publish their recent and most favourite games (Galuda, DoDonpachi, Mushi) but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, I mean c´mon, even Ketsui and Feveron. And I don`t think this was easy work for them to port or program them from scratch - and I don`t think a console port of Ketsui would be less work than porting all of their games on cellphones. They MUST be making more profit this way, or else they are totally batshit insane.

Agreed. And what about GBA ports? The GBA has to have sold well over there, so why no GBA ports of these games?? OK, cartridges are expensive to make; what about a download service? That might work.

I'm not totally dissing the GBA; it's great for 2D gaming, but as far as GBA shmups that are worth buying-well....there's the remake of Steel Empire, Gradius Galaxies (or Generations), Iridion II, and Invader. That's not a whole lot of content, compared to what Japanese cell phone owners have access to. Cripes, if I lived in Japan, I wouldn't give a fart about portable gaming consoles!

ptoing · Post by **ptoing** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:40 am

I guess japanese phones also support more than 1 buttonpress at a time.
That is basically the only thing that seriously holds cellphone games back from being cool in some cases. If these play proper without always autofire like most shmups on cellphones it would be cool.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:15 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Seems Cave and Caravan are quite cheap. To play the full game, you must pay the monthly fee from both companies.

....

They would only be playable for a month, if that. All phone game are paid for monthly.

So basically you rent them? They expire? That`s not that good. I`d rather pay more and really owning them forever.

And Dave4Shmups, exactly my point. I am not completely sure if they have Super Star Soldier from the PCE as a GBA game in Japan though; and hell, I am not even demanding manic shmups as GBA ports (that would be damn fine to say the least), but PCE games are perfectly suited for the GBA. I mean, the GT Express or how it was called WAS a portable system with a hell lot of shmups back in the 90ies. And the PCE was doing really well in Japan. And why not, Nintendo ported basically all of their original Mario games; so why not port all this old stuff and sell it AGAIN? The people would love it, and they would make money with no real effort.

But this is an endless matter. Imagine Musha Aleste, Alien Soldier or the original Gunstar Heroes on the GBA...

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:43 am

FrederikJurk wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:Seems Cave and Caravan are quite cheap. To play the full game, you must pay the monthly fee from both companies.

....

They would only be playable for a month, if that. All phone game are paid for monthly.
So basically you rent them? They expire? That`s not that good. I`d rather pay more and really owning them forever.

And Dave4Shmups, exactly my point. I am not completely sure if they have Super Star Soldier from the PCE as a GBA game in Japan though; and hell, I am not even demanding manic shmups as GBA ports (that would be damn fine to say the least), but PCE games are perfectly suited for the GBA. I mean, the GT Express or how it was called WAS a portable system with a hell lot of shmups back in the 90ies. And the PCE was doing really well in Japan. And why not, Nintendo ported basically all of their original Mario games; so why not port all this old stuff and sell it AGAIN? The people would love it, and they would make money with no real effort.

But this is an endless matter. Imagine Musha Aleste, Alien Soldier or the original Gunstar Heroes on the GBA...

With all due respect, I don't see the point of all that, considering that, with the Wii's Virtual Console, you will be able to download pleny of TG-16 games, as well as Genesis titles. Probably not Mega Drive titles, but, if you have a modded or JP PS2, you can pick up the Treasure Box, which has both Gunstar Heroes and Alien Soldier.

These cell-phone shmup ports would better suit the GBA. Heck, Star Soldier vs. DOJ is ONLY available on cellphones in Japan. And what about other games, like Ikari Warriors? That got a perfect cellphone port in Japan, and would be easily doable on the GBA.