Intresting read about Sony's underhanded tactics.
Intresting read about Sony's underhanded tactics.
Last edited by SFKhoa on Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:33 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Because Sega's top brass were hilariously incompetent and despite having a successful system were still letting the company bleed money? Management was absolutely piss-poor there.
Oh, and that article is full of iffy stats, opinions presented as fact and just... well, bullshit in general. Color me unimpressed. I'm no fan of Sony, but Sega dug their own grave and Sony just happened to be the ones to kick them in.
Oh, and that article is full of iffy stats, opinions presented as fact and just... well, bullshit in general. Color me unimpressed. I'm no fan of Sony, but Sega dug their own grave and Sony just happened to be the ones to kick them in.
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LOL!! According to this biased trash, the Dreamcast died in December of 2000. Now you'd think they could do at least a little bit of research?
Last edited by Dave_K. on Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:36 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Don't sweat it. A lot of people blame Sony for killing Sega because Sony is big and bad and evil while Sega was a shining beacon of pure love. But the reality is that they were both videogame companies out for pofit, and Sega was an especially poorly-managed one that was limping like a wounded animal despite having a successful system and tons of critical acclaim.
And don't believe that "1/3-1/2 of PS2 sales are to replace old ones" tripe. Yes, the thing has had quite a few problems, but nowhere near that many.
And don't believe that "1/3-1/2 of PS2 sales are to replace old ones" tripe. Yes, the thing has had quite a few problems, but nowhere near that many.
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I think the 32X had a large part in the death of Sega as a hardware manufacturer. It came out way too close to the Sega Saturn's launch. While I was pissed, I still wanted that Saturn- but unfortunately, not every other Genesis owner felt likewise.
When Sega of America did not allow the 4M RAM games (X-Men vs. Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Street Fighter) to come out here, they put another nail in the coffin.
Sega Rally 2 looks mighty bad. The graphics are reasonably close to the arcade. However, the uneven frame rate is truly appalling for what was maybe one of the most anticipated titles. Dreamcast is more powerful than Model 3 IIRC, so this is clearly a sloppy rush job.
Virtua Fighter 3 was better, but still not quite perfect. I think the problem was that Genki wasn't given enough time on this one. Daytona USA 2, L.A. Machineguns, Spikeout, Star Wars Trilogy, and many other Model 3 titles being no-shows didn't really help either. There were too many missed opportunities. Sega needed these games especially considering what Namco was cooking up for PS2- Ridge Racer V, Time Crisis 2, Tekken Tag, etcetera.
You cannot really blame the PS2's supposedly superior graphic ability for the DC dying. The PS2 soldiered on, even against the original Xbox. PS1 survived against N64.
When Sega of America did not allow the 4M RAM games (X-Men vs. Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Street Fighter) to come out here, they put another nail in the coffin.
Sega Rally 2 looks mighty bad. The graphics are reasonably close to the arcade. However, the uneven frame rate is truly appalling for what was maybe one of the most anticipated titles. Dreamcast is more powerful than Model 3 IIRC, so this is clearly a sloppy rush job.
Virtua Fighter 3 was better, but still not quite perfect. I think the problem was that Genki wasn't given enough time on this one. Daytona USA 2, L.A. Machineguns, Spikeout, Star Wars Trilogy, and many other Model 3 titles being no-shows didn't really help either. There were too many missed opportunities. Sega needed these games especially considering what Namco was cooking up for PS2- Ridge Racer V, Time Crisis 2, Tekken Tag, etcetera.
You cannot really blame the PS2's supposedly superior graphic ability for the DC dying. The PS2 soldiered on, even against the original Xbox. PS1 survived against N64.
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Wells, one can't ever trust an article from any site that's obviously biased. Like for example, this article. The big XBOX360 banner at the top alerted me of bullshit immediately.
"Sooo, what was it that you consider a 'good salary' for a man to make?"
"They should at least make 100K to have a good life"
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"They should at least make 100K to have a good life"
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Seems to often be the case with (at least the most vocal ones) anti-Sony statements.Biteme wrote:You would think Sony ran over that guys dog with the way he trashes Sony.
"Sony is eeeevil! 
" New technology has been demoed on different (=older, already existing) hardware since the days of yore. In last year's E3 Microsoft demoed X360, ironically enough, on Macs.Specineff wrote:He does state the truth, however, when he mentions about Sony showing demos created on entirely different hardware.
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I really fail to see the logic there. I think the amount of fanboys is pretty evenly distributed between MS, Sony, Nintendo and even Sega. And bringing in Microsoft's PC-side is a bit weird. They've done a lot of good on the console side, but they're still annoying otherwise. Vista, anyone?Specineff wrote:The proof that Sony's evil lies in the fact that many gamers are MS fanboys. Wasn't MS the devil, before XP?
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Note on DC Death: G4's "Icons" show had an episode on the death of the DC and it seemed quite on point. According to them, main culprits were:
- Sony's dvd-capability in a time that dvd players were still expensive and consumers could buy a game/dvd system close to the price of a bare bones dvd sytem
- Sega's horrid US marketing.
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- Sony's dvd-capability in a time that dvd players were still expensive and consumers could buy a game/dvd system close to the price of a bare bones dvd sytem
- Sega's horrid US marketing.
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Because they killed Sega, duh!
They're just using the same tactics the rest of the industry has used for decades. People get bitter about it because Sony pulled it off better than the others and weren't as reserved about it (Nintendo did far, far worse shit when they were on top, but were never quite as gleefully open about it).
And of course, people are upset that Sony actually dared to advertise their systems. Nobody gave a shit when Sega had blast precessing (and did what Nintendon't), Jaguar was 64-bit and anyone who didn't play the incredibly high powered Neo Geo was a weiner (but if you had one, you were a real hot dog) because the other systems were limp and underpowered. Where was all the righteous indignation then? There wasn't any because people still understood the concept that making your system sound better than the competition is a fundamental part of advertising.
They're just using the same tactics the rest of the industry has used for decades. People get bitter about it because Sony pulled it off better than the others and weren't as reserved about it (Nintendo did far, far worse shit when they were on top, but were never quite as gleefully open about it).
And of course, people are upset that Sony actually dared to advertise their systems. Nobody gave a shit when Sega had blast precessing (and did what Nintendon't), Jaguar was 64-bit and anyone who didn't play the incredibly high powered Neo Geo was a weiner (but if you had one, you were a real hot dog) because the other systems were limp and underpowered. Where was all the righteous indignation then? There wasn't any because people still understood the concept that making your system sound better than the competition is a fundamental part of advertising.
Bernie Stolar had nothing to do with the failure that was the Saturn and simply put that dying dog out of its misery when he came on board to allow for a successful Dreamcast launch, which he saw to and happened. Dreamcast was a success, then Sega of Japan pulled the plug on it. I can't fault Stolar in any way for Sega's bailing out of the console hardware market.Never_Scurred wrote:Bernie Stolar and Peter Moore killed Sega.