Why superguns suck

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sun May 14, 2006 4:22 pm

AFXisatwin wrote:
Well, I bought 29" RGB TV by Samsung about a month ago.
I know your working on your article, but can you tell me what model this is and where you got it? I'm thinking about going RGB.

Here is a .pdf flyer for the Samsung TV. It's 50/60Hz-only and tates like a dream. I bought two of them for 300 euros each and charged my credit card in 48 monthly installments (interest-free). So I am basically paying something like 15 euros a month. I love credit cards.

As for where I bought them... a large chain of consumer electronics stores in Athens, Greece. Since the flyer is in French you should be able to get it there also, as well as in at least a few more European countries. It's made in Hungary.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Sun May 14, 2006 4:39 pm

Dave_K. wrote:
Valgar wrote:Wow that is awesome Dave! What do you use to go from JAMMA to the headjacks?
Its incredibly simple. The P1/P2 stereo jacks are wired together, which then go into a volume pot, and then to a 3 pin molex connector. I then have a choice of running a seperate 3pin connector cable to either tap the mono jamma harness, or a JVS/CPS2 stereo amp. Here are all the parts needed to finishing modding my other 3 cabs.

Just FYI if you don't know. Check your impedances. You can toast your board amps if you connect them to the wrong impedance speakers/headphones. I _think_ you should be safe with directly connected headphones, as they tend to have higher impedances than cab/car type speakers.

JigsawMan · Post by **JigsawMan** » Sun May 14, 2006 7:58 pm

I'd love a cab, but I just don't have the room for that and the consoles and all the other junk that I 'need' plus the hassle of explaining to my Wife (who already puts up with enough of my toys and hobbies) that I need a cabinet would be too much effort so I just got two RGB Sony Wega's (21" but perfect for the amount of space I have):

My Arcade Heaven supergun does RGB out and works a treat. It has a noisey capicitor in it somewhere but until I blows and doesn;t work anymore I'll be sticking the the supergun. When it breaks then that's a valid excuse to buy a cabinet. All I need now is a faster car, bigger house and more money! Ha.. it nevers ends...

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:26 pm

Dave_K. wrote:
Valgar wrote:Wow that is awesome Dave! What do you use to go from JAMMA to the headjacks?
Its incredibly simple. The P1/P2 stereo jacks are wired together, which then go into a volume pot, and then to a 3 pin molex connector.

You know, at Hey!, they've got at least a couple of Egret cabs (it was on ESPGaluda II when I was there last) with headphone jacks modded right next to the screen. Complete w/ volume dial. Pretty cool, huh?

stuffmonger · Post by **stuffmonger** » Mon May 15, 2006 1:50 am

Dave_K. wrote:Just curious, why use a 7.1 surround sound system to amplify a mono jamma cabinet? Yeah, I know there are some JVS/CPS2 stereo games, but standard jamma (and a majority of all shmups) are mono.

Yes, it is a bit of overkill, but this is also what I have hooked up to my computer and use for movies, and such... it just has extra inputs, so I sent cab sound to it... I only play one cab at a time through it though... usually mvs as I made a nice 4-pin connector for the stereo out that is compatible with mvs/stv/some pcbs. It does sound awesome though... I've been to a guys house where he had a subwoofer in his cab, and all that hooked up to the headphone jack, but I think it just sounded muddy, whereas with the full sound system, you get the full effect of teh music and not just the Hi/low frequencies... I know it's not a shmup, but I still think that my favorite music of any arcade game is the garou motw cityscape intro music... it sounds uber-badass on a good sound system.

I have also tried using a couple of vibration speakers, but I just didn't like how they sounded... and they emitted frequencies that where either too high or too low REALLY loudly, so me ears hurt like there was alot of volume, but I couldn't hear it more than an average-low volume.

Arcatech · Post by **Arcatech** » Mon May 15, 2006 7:29 pm

@ icycalm

Coveting that a bit. But why oh why is this not sold in the US? Me hates the Euro sometimes.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Mon May 15, 2006 8:41 pm

AFXisatwin wrote:@ icycalm

Coveting that a bit. But why oh why is this not sold in the US? Me hates the Euro sometimes.

Because 290 million Americans still think that composite video looks pretty good.

mannerbot · Post by **mannerbot** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:07 pm

Because 290 million Americans still think that RF looks pretty good.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:03 pm

The Taito G-Net both outputs in mono & stereo besides the Neo-Geo MVS, CPS-2, and ST-V motherboards.

Try listening to the Taito G-Card of Psyvariar Revision in mono and in stereo through a pair of 100w bookshelf speakers and one will notice a huge difference in the output. I still like how the BGM tunes of Psy-R G-Card sounds in mono with a pair of speakers using a phono-jack splitter. It seems to give more bass than with the stereo setup route. ^_~

Although some arcade PCBs, when hooking up a pair of 100w bookshelf speakers, the MOSFET heatsinks on board such PCB powered up will tend to get very warm or mildly hot quickly. So I really don't use the speakers that much for that particular reason. I recall that an Atari Games 1990 produced Klax arcade PCB has one of biggest MOSFET heatsinks ever mounted on an arcade PCB that I've personally seen.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:20 pm

Dave_K: using surround for mono/stereo games is a bad thing then? Or just overkill?

miles2912 · Post by **miles2912** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:31 pm

A cab is the way to go. I could not crack 500k on TwinCobra untill I built the cab.. now I am pushing a million. I know that my fav games were shooters and I built the thing solid to take some abuse. Took me 6 months and 2 grand but is a blast.

cigsthecat · Post by **cigsthecat** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:37 pm

We need a thumbs down icon to post.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Wed May 17, 2006 12:52 am

zakk wrote: Just FYI if you don't know. Check your impedances. You can toast your board amps if you connect them to the wrong impedance speakers/headphones. I _think_ you should be safe with directly connected headphones, as they tend to have higher impedances than cab/car type speakers.

Good advice Zakk. I'm pretty sure headphones are high impedence too, so shouldn't be a problem wired in paralell with the cab's speakers, but I'll check to be sure.

Neon wrote:Dave_K: using surround for mono/stereo games is a bad thing then? Or just overkill?

Nothing wrong with it, just overkill as stated. I'd think you can get the same seperation and bass response from headphones, but I could be wrong if you have a wicked system with EQ and all.

stuffmonger · Post by **stuffmonger** » Wed May 17, 2006 4:01 am

Dave_K. wrote:
Neon wrote:Dave_K: using surround for mono/stereo games is a bad thing then? Or just overkill?
Nothing wrong with it, just overkill as stated. I'd think you can get the same seperation and bass response from headphones, but I could be wrong if you have a wicked system with EQ and all.

You need to come on down to my pad sometime, and listen to just how wicked it sounds with this setup... I was amazed when I first heard what the neo sounded like through decent speakers.

Triple Lei · Post by **Triple Lei** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:45 am

stuffmonger wrote:
Dave_K. wrote:
Neon wrote:Dave_K: using surround for mono/stereo games is a bad thing then? Or just overkill?
Nothing wrong with it, just overkill as stated. I'd think you can get the same seperation and bass response from headphones, but I could be wrong if you have a wicked system with EQ and all.
You need to come on down to my pad sometime, and listen to just how wicked it sounds with this setup... I was amazed when I first heard what the neo sounded like through decent speakers.

Hmm... "Arcadia, CA" as in... near Temple City...?

Of course, if the info in your location field is just a delicious pun on arcades and / or Arcadia Magazine, then forget about this post...

stuffmonger · Post by **stuffmonger** » Wed May 17, 2006 9:34 am

Triple Lei wrote:
stuffmonger wrote:
Dave_K. wrote: Nothing wrong with it, just overkill as stated. I'd think you can get the same seperation and bass response from headphones, but I could be wrong if you have a wicked system with EQ and all.
You need to come on down to my pad sometime, and listen to just how wicked it sounds with this setup... I was amazed when I first heard what the neo sounded like through decent speakers.

Hmm... "Arcadia, CA" as in... near Temple City...?

Of course, if the info in your location field is just a delicious pun on arcades and / or Arcadia Magazine, then forget about this post...

yup... I'm closer to duarte and monrovia though.

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:17 am

Dave_K. wrote:
zakk wrote: Just FYI if you don't know. Check your impedances. You can toast your board amps if you connect them to the wrong impedance speakers/headphones. I _think_ you should be safe with directly connected headphones, as they tend to have higher impedances than cab/car type speakers.
Good advice Zakk. I'm pretty sure headphones are high impedence too, so shouldn't be a problem wired in paralell with the cab's speakers, but I'll check to be sure.

Yeah, I've got a single 32ohm headphone hooked up to mine (no seperate volume control, no line-level converter, speakers not hooked up at the same time) and everything is running cool as a cucumber. I thought there might be problems with the headphones and the relatively high power (I calculated 2-3 watts in mono, 6-8watts in stereo from a G-NET mobo). Dunno about two headphones in parallel.

stuffmonger · Post by **stuffmonger** » Fri May 19, 2006 2:15 pm

Triple Lei wrote:Hmm... "Arcadia, CA" as in... near Temple City...?

If that was an interest to come on over, be my guest. I always enjoy having other arcade enthusiasts over here... I just bought a few new shooters too

justin007 · Post by **justin007** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:31 am

[/quote]I really want to know to points for purching a PS3 in favour of a Ketsui or a Mushihime Sama and might be a ESPgulada 2.

There won't be any decent games comes out on PS3 in the first years of its life. Sony would censor out all game with real game play in favour of good looking "block buster".

Great games usually start to appears to a home console when it is about to phase out. Just count how many great shmups are released on PS2 & DC in the past years, and you would see.

When the "slim" version of PS3 come out, it the time to buy the console.[/quote]

Wise words

Six years later and we are dealing with the prospect of ketsui on the PS3

Friendly · Post by **Friendly** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:42 am

Why the heck would you bump a 7-year-old topic for that?

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:43 am

WTF?!

trap15 · Post by **trap15** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:52 am

xgunnBlaze · Post by **xgunnBlaze** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:58 am

Notice how he necrobumped a thread to try and disprove a guy who was basically spot on...

justin007 · Post by **justin007** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:52 am

[quote=" a guy who was basically spot on...[/quote]

exactly my point

trap15 · Post by **trap15** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:02 am

Holy shit learn to quote and learn to not bump threads over a decade old holy shit

Post by **Ghegs** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:08 am

Yeah, it's good to search and use existing threads rather than opening new ones, but I think that's pushing it a bit.

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